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I was still hopefull of signings when we sold Ramsdale, but now I'm getting bit worried. Maybe a good night sleeps helps..
 
Bladeinleeds said:
wilder had money and then some.

he just didn’t know what to do with it. Recruitment was appalling for the best part of 2 seasons.

I’m not sure with hindsight we’d make any signing since promotion again
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Wilder had no money that he didn't self generate. Championship clubs ordinarily require a lot of money that isn't self generated to sign and pay players. Herein lies SUFC's problem under HRH. Wilder has left us with a nice £119 million leaving present, and we still don't seem to have real money to compete in the Championship, with our manager already coming out publicly slagging the board amidst negotiations for players leaving the club.
 
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nopigfansintown said:
Wilder had no money that he didn't self generate. Championship clubs ordinarily require a lot of money that isn't self generated to sign and pay players. Herein lies SUFC's problem under HRH. Wilder has left us with a nice £119 million leaving present, and we still don't seem to have real money to compete in the Championship, with our manager already coming out publicly slagging the board amidst negotiations for players leaving the club.
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How has Wilder left some sort of leaving gift?

1. He's left the Academy exactly with the same status as before.
2. He's left the training ground with exactly the same status as before.
3. He's spent 110-120m on players, 90% of which have no interested buyers and for which we will probably take, conservatively a 50m loss on. Any of this money could have been used to improve points 1 and 2.
4. Said players are now on wages, even with clauses, which are so far off what we had at this level before. Max Lowe is on 15k per week for instance.

I loved the job Chris did up until lockdown. Who wouldn't? But he soon put Chris Wilder before the long term interests of the club.

Firstly by making a fuss of the no signings in Jan after he'd already spent up and they were to a man underperforming.

Secondly, by not biting the bullet at all on signings and leaving no room to invest in the infrastructure of the club such as the Academy Category and Training facilities. Now that would have been a great legacy to leave and a far better usage of 23m than a striker that has scored 1 in 34 matches, cost 23m and takes out the best last of 1.5m per annum from the club.

So I don't get the arrogance around he earned, it therefore it's ok for him to squander it. He had the opportunity to put the clubs infrastructure well beyond most of the Championship clubs yet he chose short term gratification instead. Even in Jan he wanted to spent 5m on loan wages chasing a fool's errand to make himself look better.

He did great for 3.5 years but he hasn't half blotter his copy book since. It may take years to recover from that spend.
 
It all seems to have turned a bit Football Manager today. Taking over a team on the downslide with no money and desperately trying to sign aging free transfers and loaning random Barcelona B players who have probably never heard of Sheffield.
 
Champagneblade said:
How has Wilder left some sort of leaving gift?

1. He's left the Academy exactly with the same status as before.
2. He's left the training ground with exactly the same status as before.
3. He's spent 110-120m on players, 90% of which have no interested buyers and for which we will probably take, conservatively a 50m loss on. Any of this money could have been used to improve points 1 and 2.
4. Said players are now on wages, even with clauses, which are so far off what we had at this level before. Max Lowe is on 15k per week for instance.

I loved the job Chris did up until lockdown. Who wouldn't? But he soon put Chris Wilder before the long term interests of the club.

Firstly by making a fuss of the no signings in Jan after he'd already spent up and they were to a man underperforming.

Secondly, by not biting the bullet at all on signings and leaving no room to invest in the infrastructure of the club such as the Academy Category and Training facilities. Now that would have been a great legacy to leave and a far better usage of 23m than a striker that has scored 1 in 34 matches, cost 23m and takes out the best last of 1.5m per annum from the club.

So I don't get the arrogance around he earned, it therefore it's ok for him to squander it. He had the opportunity to put the clubs infrastructure well beyond most of the Championship clubs yet he chose short term gratification instead. Even in Jan he wanted to spent 5m on loan wages chasing a fool's errand to make himself look better.

He did great for 3.5 years but he hasn't half blotter his copy book since. It may take years to recover from that spend.
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Very strange take.

1/2) Wilder pushed for improvement in the training ground/academy and stadium which the owners agreed to before later vetoing after the announcements of a new building and the removal of the kop post were already made. The kop posts were supposed to be removed by the start of last season, and the new training ground building installed early last season using monies already in the club. Where are they? FYI: the last owner built a training ground/academy and two new stands at Bramall Lane without the aid of premier league cash. Why haven't they used the 119 million parting gift to do any of this work? There is a lot of jam tomorrow noise about a training ground on a different site. I'll believe it when I see it.

3)Those costs allied to our uncompetitive wage bill are tiny at PL level. The vast majority was paid of when we survived gaining another year's revenue, another year's parachute payment (if relegated) and significant additional prize money for finishing 9th. The current regime should be getting much more out of these players given their records.

4)15k a week is not an exorbitant salary for a championship player; this is a moot point.
 
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nopigfansintown said:
4)15k a week is not an exorbitant salary for a championship player; this is a moot point.
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15k a week on a player he never played. On a player we didn't need. So it's a lot of money to spend on someone he never intended on using and could have been allocated towards someone else.

Remember when he said he treated the clubs money like his own money? You think he'd happily throw £780,000 of his own money away?
 
Apart from effectively only 1 day left of the transfer window, it's an international break. So if we were planning to try to sign any internationals (😂), their minds and bodies will be elsewhere. Any movement for the top internationals might be limited too, so there's no cascade effect.

We need 4-5 players, but I'd settle for 3. Worryingly I'd be amazed if we get more than 2 over the line. Might be time to promote youth and cancel a few loans (Coubialy for instance).

The lack of pre season matches was a huge mistake. SJ would have seen how out of form many of the players are, and could have acted.

There was lots of talk about a perfect storm last season, but I think there's another one on the way........
 
Wards said:
I think we can comfortably now predict the board have made a total balls up of this. Only this club could bring in the best manager in the Championship then give him nothing to work with 🤣
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I can't think of a club that has recently been relegated and who aren't in huge financial trouble make such a shit show of their first season back in The Championship. Maybe Stoke but they were still miles better than we are now.
 
Lucky1979 said:
15k a week on a player he never played. On a player we didn't need. So it's a lot of money to spend on someone he never intended on using and could have been allocated towards someone else.

Remember when he said he treated the clubs money like his own money? You think he'd happily throw £780,000 of his own money away?
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We have no idea if he would have been used by Wilder this season. I think overall that statement was accurate: many more bargains than busted flushes. I believe the scabs have paid the wages and a loan fee so he'll wipe his feet this year. This was a strange signing though; maybe the strangest of Wilder's tenure. The others that didn't work were wrong choices rather than players in positions we didn't need.
 
SouthStandGBlock said:
Apart from effectively only 1 day left of the transfer window, it's an international break. So if we were planning to try to sign any internationals (😂), their minds and bodies will be elsewhere. Any movement for the top internationals might be limited too, so there's no cascade effect.

We need 4-5 players, but I'd settle for 3. Worryingly I'd be amazed if we get more than 2 over the line. Might be time to promote youth and cancel a few loans (Coubialy for instance).

The lack of pre season matches was a huge mistake. SJ would have seen how out of form many of the players are, and could have acted.

There was lots of talk about a perfect storm last season, but I think there's another one on the way........
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Not sure the lack of pre-season matches was a choice?
 
Roygbiv said:
I can't think of a club that has recently been relegated and who aren't in huge financial trouble make such a shit show of their first season back in The Championship. Maybe Stoke but they were still miles better than we are now.
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Huddersfield made a bit of a balls up of it too but the point stands. We’ve managed this horribly.

I don’t want to gamble the future of the club but the owner needs to take some responsibility and open the purse strings a bit. Otherwise we will be the next Stoke, bumbling about in mid/lower Champ, or worse still looking over our shoulders at L1 again.

Edit: to say it’s not like we weren’t aware that we were going down from about December onwards last year!
 

SouthStandGBlock said:
Apart from effectively only 1 day left of the transfer window, it's an international break. So if we were planning to try to sign any internationals (😂), their minds and bodies will be elsewhere. Any movement for the top internationals might be limited too, so there's no cascade effect.

We need 4-5 players, but I'd settle for 3. Worryingly I'd be amazed if we get more than 2 over the line. Might be time to promote youth and cancel a few loans (Coubialy for instance).

The lack of pre season matches was a huge mistake. SJ would have seen how out of form many of the players are, and could have acted.

There was lots of talk about a perfect storm last season, but I think there's another one on the way........
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I doubt that any current internationals were on the list of possibilities
 
If as seems to be the case there is little (if any) money in the club then the inaction at moving players out is the biggest concern for the medium term. Why are we not actively looking to offload the players with one year left on their deals (Mcgoldrick, Sharp, Moussett, Osborn, Basham, Freeman). They are dead money now. Why aren't we trying to move those with two years left (the senior keepers, Mcburnie, Stevens, Robinson, Norwood, Fleck whilst they are at the peak of whatever value they have left. It's senseless and will bite us next year or the year after. Instead of even looking to do this, I expect they'll sell of anything young with potential that we have.
 
SouthStandGBlock said:
Norwich wasn't, but 2 games against a part time team and Donny Rovers, definitely papered over the cracks.

I'm sure we could have arranged a few more even if they were behind closed doors.
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It's basic planning. We have a big enough squad to play 6 or 7 preseason friendlies in the knowledge that we might lose a couple to COVID.
 
nopigfansintown said:
If as seems to be the case there is little (if any) money in the club then the inaction at moving players out is the biggest concern for the medium term. Why are we not actively looking to offload the players with one year left on their deals (Mcgoldrick, Sharp, Moussett, Osborn, Basham, Freeman). They are dead money now. Why aren't we trying to move those with two years left (the senior keepers, Mcburnie, Stevens, Robinson, Norwood, Fleck whilst they are at the peak of whatever value they have left. It's senseless and will bite us next year or the year after. Instead of even looking to do this, I expect they'll sell of anything young with potential that we have.
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We've been previously so obsessed with giving out overlong contracts that it seems mad we'd not look at those with contracts expiring. Osborn is the standout there. Assume most of the older 3 will retire anyway but he's got value and is a useful squad player.

We should have been trying to ship out some of the others from June onwards, even if it means subsidising wages.

Next summer will be much worse than this one the way things are going.
 
nopigfansintown said:
We have no idea if he would have been used by Wilder this season. I think overall that statement was accurate: many more bargains than busted flushes. I believe the scabs have paid the wages and a loan fee so he'll wipe his feet this year. This was a strange signing though; maybe the strangest of Wilder's tenure. The others that didn't work were wrong choices rather than players in positions we didn't need.
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Name bargains at PL level.

Ultimately I'll give you Rammers.

Robinson moved on at a loss for the hapless Burke. Freeman, Mousset, Osborn will all leave for zip in the summer.

McBurnie, Brewster, Berge will all move as a collective at far less than what we paid.

You might get an uptick on Bogle but that will probably be offset by having to give Lowe away at some point in the future. Given Stevens, Osborn were both getting picked ahead of Lowe and so was Bogle even though it's not his natural side. You're reaching a bit to think he'd suddenly emerge as first pick.

I wish he was decent. But we simply didn't need him and he's not even very good. Penny wise in the Champ was our Chris but pound foolish in the Prem!

To the point about offloading. Everyone knows as a relegated club we are open for offers. Nobody wants our players because they were such bad buys and so out of their depth last season.
 
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The Prince isn't willing to gamble his own money on this. He wants to use the clubs money to pay his stadium loan off & then cash out of the sinking ship. Wouldn't be surprised to see some asset stripping in the meantime. No chance he invests in the infrastructure or playing team.

Its just a shame that when the club was finally self-sufficient with Prem money we gambled the lot on Wilder's flawed transfer strategy. A sliding doors moment. Can see us heading towards a Forest / Derby style abyss here out.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
The Prince isn't willing to gamble his own money on this. He wants to use the clubs money to pay his stadium loan off & then cash out of the sinking ship. Wouldn't be surprised to see some asset stripping in the meantime. No chance he invests in the infrastructure or playing team.

Its just a shame that when the club was finally self-sufficient with Prem money we gambled the lot on Wilder's flawed transfer strategy. A sliding doors moment. Can see us heading towards a Forest / Derby style abyss here out.
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"The Prince isn't willing to gamble his own money on this."

He doesn't have the wealth to gamble.

Like a few a said already over the last number of weeks, only hope now is try and stay up this season and next and he will hopefully sell during the final season of cash from the prem.
 
Prem owner needed said:
"The Prince isn't willing to gamble his own money on this."

He doesn't have the wealth to gamble.

Like a few a said already over the last number of weeks, only hope now is try and stay up this season and next and he will hopefully sell during the final season of cash from the prem.
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Correct.
 
Champagneblade said:
Name bargains at PL level.

Ultimately I'll give you Rammers.

Robinson moved on at a loss for the hapless Burke. Freeman, Mousset, Osborn will all leave for zip in the summer.

McBurnie, Brewster, Berge will all move as a collective at far less than what we paid.

You might get an uptick on Bogle but that will probably be offset by having to give Lowe away at some point in the future. Given Stevens, Osborn were both getting picked ahead of Lowe and so was Bogle even though it's not his natural side. You're reaching a bit to think he'd suddenly emerge as first pick.

I wish he was decent. But we simply didn't need him and he's not even very good. Penny wise in the Champ was our Chris but pound foolish in the Prem!

To the point about offloading. Everyone knows as a relegated club we are open for offers. Nobody wants our players because they were such bad buys and so out of their depth last season.
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Lowe wasn't even first choice at Derby either at the time we signed him. He was 2nd/3rd choice. So if he was on £15k this season, then doesn't that mean he was on £30k last season? For a 2nd/3rd choice LB at Derby to get £30k in the PL....says it all, fuckin shockin
 
So the best we can now hope for is staying up for a couple of years.

If that's really the case then Wilder's legend status can fuck off into the abyss and the owner best get the for sale sign up pronto.
 
Signing a keeper should be the bare minimum, shudder at the thought of League One Wes and Verrips til January. Scrolling through the free agent list doesn't inspire much confidence, apparently Blackman has gone to pot since his legbreak.
 
Baz Vorbokis said:
Signing a keeper should be the bare minimum, shudder at the thought of League One Wes and Verrips til January. Scrolling through the free agent list doesn't inspire much confidence, apparently Blackman has gone to pot since his legbreak.
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What's the point of a keeper if we can't score at the other end.
 

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