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Bennyand the Blades said:
No, thanking him and the players for the four glorious seasons we had before it all fell apart, Or do they count for nothing now ?
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They've already had the thanks & praises for them 4 glorious seasons during the journey, people want progress as well as reliving the past. The fact we finished bottom of the league (not even threatening a 2nd bottom finish) tells me that Wilder failed big time. Wilder spent big money on record signings who simply weren't up to the job & we can't blame the club for that that's why the prince wanted a DoF in but that overruled Wilder & i think Wilder used that as an excuse to get away from the mess he was in.
 
Bennyand the Blades said:
Yer but at least Mr Wilder gave us some history to look back on, you can't just sweep what he achieved under the carpet because it finished badly. Our whole history is littered with failure, You can't alter the fact he took us no hopers from 3rd Div mediocracy to challenging for the stars . Yes it all fell to pieces in the end ,but it was bloody great while it lasted .
No matter how he left us I would love to do it all again, and don't forget at this level he was on a learning curve too....
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I don't know how old you are, but you will find over your future years of supporting The Blades that the fact you witnessed those four years will become more special to you than any relegation..... ;)
Stevo71 said:
They've already had the thanks & praises for them 4 glorious seasons during the journey, people want progress as well as reliving the past. The fact we finished bottom of the league (not even threatening a 2nd bottom finish) tells me that Wilder failed big time. Wilder spent big money on record signings who simply weren't up to the job & we can't blame the club for that that's why the prince wanted a DoF in but that overruled Wilder & i think Wilder used that as an excuse to get away from the mess he was in.
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Bennyand the Blades said:
I don't know how old you are, but you will find over your future years of supporting The Blades that the fact you witnessed those four years will become more special to you than any relegation..... ;)
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I witnessed Darlington, Leicester, i witnessed our 1-0 win over Arsenal when we were in the 4th division (Bob Hatton diving header) there's a lot of special moments i've witnessed as well as a lot of shit moments too but at the end of the day those first 4 years under Wilder (were special) don't mean anything now because he failed when it mattered. As much as i hate to admit it Garth Crooks was right when he said that we won't get away with playing like we did in the premier league & it took over a year for him to prove that he was right & his transfer buys were appalling (i don't think any of his signings have shown to be any good)
 
I think you've just proved my point, football is all about memories, good and bad, but it's not the failures that keep bringing you back is it
 
Stevo71 said:
We are in this position because Wilder spunked Millions on players who simply aren't good enough, there hasn't been one stand out player who was one of Wilders buys, he played a certain way but was sussed out by the time our second season in the premier league began & the majority of his buys are league 1 standard apart from a couple. He invested badly & now we're paying the price for it, if i remember correctly we had the lowest wage bill in the premier & Wilder quoted that nobody was going to be on silly money hence why no real quality came to the lane he thought that he was building a squad good enough to get us straight back up if the worse happened ....... That's why i blame Wilder
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Surely you don’t think the squad is in the position it is in the league because the players are not good enough for the championship…

I recon most if not all pundits look at our squad as one of the best in the league.
 
ForgeBlade said:
Wilder spent the money. He signed the players that we are now stuck with. He, in his words "spunked" north of £100m on players that have failed to deliver.

He should not, and does not, for me, get a pass on that because "he's a blade."

Fact is, he spent more money than our club has ever spent, and he left us in the shit. If he felt he had to leave for the sake of his mental health, then ok. But we should not excuse the mistakes he made. SUFC is more than Chris Wilder. We're in a terrible situation now, and even the most ardent Wilder-ites cannot realistically say that he isn't in some way reponsible for it.
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I agree Wilder shouldn’t get any special dispensation for being a blade. I’d argue that unfortunately this was the reason our club wasn’t more ruthless and would have sacked him in October/November to prevent the irredeemable scenario he ended up leaving us in post Christmas. Watford, Sunderland and multiple others have sacked several managers early giving the next manager reasonable time to successfully save the club from relegation time and time again.
All that being said the squad he has left us with is far better than the team he inherited, the team we have is unquestionably strong enough to mount a promotion push and currently it is plain to see the players do not understand the tactics they have been instructed to use on the pitch. I hope obviously that jokanovich has a plan but he won’t get the time if the tactics don’t reap rewards over the next 8 to 10 games
 
botoble said:
Surely you don’t think the squad is in the position it is in the league because the players are not good enough for the championship…

I recon most if not all pundits look at our squad as one of the best in the league.
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I think we're in this position because Wilder was building a team to get us back up if the worse happened & the worse did happen. Wilder said himself that players weren't going to be on big money & we had the lowest wage bill in the premier league, why do you think any decent players never came? Wilder was trying to cherry pick the best from the championship & to me none of them are showing any potential thus far (Early days i know). I don't really take any notice of what pundits say or predict all i want is Slav to have time to make the team his own because none of them from what i've seen can play the way Slav want's them to play.
 
Stevo71 said:
I think we're in this position because Wilder was building a team to get us back up if the worse happened & the worse did happen. Wilder said himself that players weren't going to be on big money & we had the lowest wage bill in the premier league, why do you think any decent players never came? Wilder was trying to cherry pick the best from the championship & to me none of them are showing any potential thus far (Early days i know). I don't really take any notice of what pundits say or predict all i want is Slav to have time to make the team his own because none of them from what i've seen can play the way Slav want's them to play.
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I think in management you don’t come in and take a sledgehammer to the current style. You see what it can achieve and make it better.

Especially when you don’t have the time you would usually have to train them in your ways (lack of a pre-season).

I think if Wilder was in charge we couldn’t be any worse infact I think we would have seen off a poor Birmingham and an ever worse Swansea however Wilder screwed us over by leaving, I had dream of a Daniel Farke/Sean dyche like bouncebackability instead I worry these players will never be able to perform in anything other than a system they have spent 5 years trying to perfect.

unfortunately we don’t have the time nor rescources to build a new team playing the way Slav will want us to before our promotion chances slip away and he naturally gets sacked.
 
botoble said:
I think in management you don’t come in and take a sledgehammer to the current style. You see what it can achieve and make it better.

Especially when you don’t have the time you would usually have to train them in your ways (lack of a pre-season).

I think if Wilder was in charge we couldn’t be any worse infact I think we would have seen off a poor Birmingham and an ever worse Swansea however Wilder screwed us over by leaving, I had dream of a Daniel Farke/Sean dyche like bouncebackability instead I worry these players will never be able to perform in anything other than a system they have spent 5 years trying to perfect.

unfortunately we don’t have the time nor rescources to build a new team playing the way Slav will want us to before our promotion chances slip away and he naturally gets sacked.
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Well i think we can both agree to disagree
 



pommpey said:
All the home games since lockdown and us turning shit (bar one) have been in front of an empty Bramall Lane. Bash and Billy will remember the Clough/Adkins days when a similar veil of shitness descended upon our world and we failed to deliver. The first game back we had a packed BDTBL and GCB hollered out with gusto, yet those down on the pitch served up a seasoned shit sandwich of a performance which resulted on us meekly capitulating and losing. What must have been going through the twenty odd thousand minds as they filed out from the game must have been pretty ripe. Since then we've looked outstandingly average against Swansea and dismally well below par against WBA. All of it without a goal.

The crowds are back. They have reinvested their hard earned and their faith in a disastrous collective of professional football players many believing we'd be well above the Championship standard this time out and have at least five or six points by now and a few significant goals, to broadcast we were bruised by last season but not beaten. The players need to understand the expectation, the achievements and the legacy of our club, our badge, our strip and our place in the city. They fucking should do. I was in that fucking car park two years ago and if they didn't get it then, I am astounded they don't get it now. It's one thing getting battered by a better side but showing your mettle. It's another simply recycling a failed style of play and being surprised the opposition has an answer for everything and simply stops you on every corner.

I was at the last meeting between HTFC and us. Everyone who supports SUFC knows what a massive disillusionment followed the final spot kick which condemned us to several more years of obscurity as a football club.

We need to win, and we need to win big, and win convincingly, or the fans will not forgive them and continue to not forgive them. We've had one moderately good season in the sunshine in nearly thirty years. The club and it's supporters demand and deserve more.

pommpey
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When was the last time a protest you like to see in your dreams helped us to change for the better?
 
Silent Blade said:
When was the last time a protest you like to see in your dreams helped us to change for the better?
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When was the last time playing consistently sub par performances and consistently past it, underperforming players and pointless, wasteful transfer acquisitions changed things for the better?

C'mon, Silent. Use that encyclopaedic, mardy-arsed, no-one-higher-than-I mastery of all things Sheffield United and fill in the gaps. Mebbe Slav could do with your advice. Gi'im a ring.

Or shut the fuck up.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
When was the last time playing consistently sub par performances and consistently past it, underperforming players and pointless, wasteful transfer acquisitions changed things for the better?

C'mon, Silent. Use that encyclopaedic, mardy-arsed, no-one-higher-than-I mastery of all things Sheffield United and fill in the gaps. Mebbe Slav could do with your advice. Gi'im a ring.

Or shut the fuck up.

pommpey
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I think he's got a hard on for yer or maybe it is just the morning wood 😉
 
pommpey said:
When was the last time playing consistently sub par performances and consistently past it, underperforming players and pointless, wasteful transfer acquisitions changed things for the better?

C'mon, Silent. Use that encyclopaedic, mardy-arsed, no-one-higher-than-I mastery of all things Sheffield United and fill in the gaps. Mebbe Slav could do with your advice. Gi'im a ring.

Or shut the fuck up.

pommpey
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Protests usually makes things worse.

There are still 9 days of the transfer window left and it seems from the rumours section that Slav wants to make changes to the team (you have suggested this many times). Remember he has been at the club for less than 2 months. If he gets the players he wants then it will need time for the team to click (Fulham started their good run in Nov 2017 and then reached the play offs and won).

At this time we need patience from fans not protests.
 
Silent Blade said:
Protests usually makes things worse.

There are still 9 days of the transfer window left and it seems from the rumours section that Slav wants to make changes to the team (you have suggested this many times). Remember he has been at the club for less than 2 months. If he gets the players he wants then it will need time for the team to click (Fulham started their good run in Nov 2017 and then reached the play offs and won).

At this time we need patience from fans not protests.
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I'm not suggesting shoes and car parks.

What I am saying is that a once quiet Bramall Lane through some pretty dire times last season (and I can't remember a crisis like this, even since our drop to the fourth in the late seventies and early eighties) might turn from the loudest Greasy Chip Butty ever sung and yesterday's rousing 'We are the Blades!' to a cacophony of boos and catcalls. As said, I think only Billy and Bash are survivors of our end of season walk of shame a few years ago and the dismal, shocking days at the Lane when we crumbled to teams allegedly lesser in strength to us. Teams like Peterborough, Walsall, Shrewsbury and Scunthorpe. They all beat us at Bramall Lane, and Huddersfield - apparently a shitbox side of struggling ability now (take note, they were PL a few seasons ago and flying high) beat us yesterday with us for most of the game controlling the action yet failing badly to capitalise.

If the supportership stays silent and sanguine, the football club has no feedback of our feelings. Had we beaten Birmingham, had we even drawn at Swansea and WBA and turned Huddersfield over as the expensive array of players suggests, there would be feedback, and it would all be positive, forward looking feedback. It's inexcusable to give the game meekly to Birmingham, not land a punch on Swansea, completely collapse against West Brom and huff and puff against Huddersfield with a squad whose value is several times any pervious value of squads ever put out on our turf.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
I'm not suggesting shoes and car parks.

What I am saying is that a once quiet Bramall Lane through some pretty dire times last season (and I can't remember a crisis like this, even since our drop to the fourth in the late seventies and early eighties) might turn from the loudest Greasy Chip Butty ever sung and yesterday's rousing 'We are the Blades!' to a cacophony of boos and catcalls. As said, I think only Billy and Bash are survivors of our end of season walk of shame a few years ago and the dismal, shocking days at the Lane when we crumbled to teams allegedly lesser in strength to us. Teams like Peterborough, Walsall, Shrewsbury and Scunthorpe. They all beat us at Bramall Lane, and Huddersfield - apparently a shitbox side of struggling ability now (take note, they were PL a few seasons ago and flying high) beat us yesterday with us for most of the game controlling the action yet failing badly to capitalise.

If the supportership stays silent and sanguine, the football club has no feedback of our feelings. Had we beaten Birmingham, had we even drawn at Swansea and WBA and turned Huddersfield over as the expensive array of players suggests, there would be feedback, and it would all be positive, forward looking feedback. It's inexcusable to give the game meekly to Birmingham, not land a punch on Swansea, completely collapse against West Brom and huff and puff against Huddersfield with a squad whose value is several times any pervious value of squads ever put out on our turf.

pommpey
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Agree that the start of the hasnt been as good as we expected. Jokanovic is still stuck with Wilder's signings, the Ramsdale deal dragged on longer than we had thought but still we got the fee more than he is really worth so hopefully Jokanovic will bring in the players he wants. Remember football agents still have a lot of power in transfer dealings, they like to alert the media of our interest in a player (which can be damaging because other clubs would then step in and make better offers).

It is not the fault of our owner, Steve Bettis and the manager that the transfer market is slow. Yes, other clubs have made their signings but I believe our targets are higher profile and PL clubs dont announce their 25 player squad until after next weekends fixtures
 
Silent Blade said:
Agree that the start of the hasnt been as good as we expected. Jokanovic is still stuck with Wilder's signings, the Ramsdale deal dragged on longer than we had thought but still we got the fee more than he is really worth so hopefully Jokanovic will bring in the players he wants. Remember football agents still have a lot of power in transfer dealings, they like to alert the media of our interest in a player (which can be damaging because other clubs would then step in and make better offers).

It is not the fault of our owner, Steve Bettis and the manager that the transfer market is slow. Yes, other clubs have made their signings but I believe our targets are higher profile and PL clubs dont announce their 25 player squad until after next weekends fixtures
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Again, I think the players are going to be the target of fans' ire, although the endless transfer faffing is now starting to give the supportership to question the management's ability to find, secure and fund credible replacements for our failings down on the pitch. SJ simply has a box of busted kit. And that is busted mostly all over the pitch, not just Norwood and Fleck.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
Again, I think the players are going to be the target of fans' ire, although the endless transfer faffing is now starting to give the supportership to question the management's ability to find, secure and fund credible replacements for our failings down on the pitch. SJ simply has a box of busted kit. And that is busted mostly all over the pitch, not just Norwood and Fleck.

pommpey
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It does look like that the players are unsettled wondering if they still will be at the club or if they are in Slav's plans. Last season the deadline for naming the PL 25 man squad was three weeks before the EFL transfer deadline but they have changed it back to the same day as when the transfer window shuts
 
You get the feeling somebody is sticking pins into a Voodoo doll some where don't you.?

I'd like to bet it's some bugger in a Blue & White striped shirt an I know nowt .......... :mad:
 
botoble said:
Are we naive enough to think that 1 point from the 1st 4 games with a promotion favourite team isn’t enough to put you somewhere near to the front of the sack race?
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Who's thinking about the sack race after 4 games?

Are you naive enough to think that at some point a West Brom or Fulham won't go 4 games without a win?
 
It is completely different if you do have a bad run when you are where you are supposed to be in a competition?!?

I’m sure Blackwell wasn’t looking at the sack race after 3 games and De Boer at Palace after 4. However we showed “improvement on Saturday” against a team that had less confidence and far less quality than us. We have played 3 poor teams and 1 decent and we’ve lost 3 of them and drawn 0-0 at another.

even with the players that underperformed in the Prem at his disposal we a a lot better than what we are seeing which has to be down to management.

i genuinely hope he turns it round but I can’t see us winning playing the way we are
 



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