Real Ale and Proper Football Alliance (RAPFA) - open letter to Danny Wilson

[MunXy]

well thanks for those points now please read back old boy, i said tho i hate to admit it id take direct football NOT ever i love it.
as stated above but seems you have trouble understanding other peoples writing, i said barcelona are unique, arsenal, real madrid and man ure to name but 3 this season tried and failed to play in different ways against barca , i stated inter because they by no means played their normal game, jose said he stifled barca played 8 man defence because playing any other way (see arsenal, real madrid and man ure this season) and you will get destroyed.
from what i see olle you dont debate, you give your opinion then are so closed minded that when others reply and dont agree you "debate" by telling them how wrong they are and how right you are, thats not debate, debate is being open minded enough to at least believe that other's opinions have merit, which unlike the many keyboard warriors, i did when i went to hear what mccabe and wilson had to say and unlike you, mic and the others of your ilk didnt.
like our old friend lenners there are so many sit behind a keyboard voicing strong opinion but never ever making a move to back up these convictions.
now to your final point, i admit to feeling a need to call you a t**t, a c**t and several other names but that just validates people like you, it gives you a glowing feeling of accomplishment, to which you don't deserve but you feel totally justified in feeling that when others feel frustration that you cannot grasp other peoples opinions have merit, they feel aggression, anger etc, you wish to devide the fans then claim not and cause these petty frictions then knock youself out cocker, knockers, clappers, hoofball brigade, real football lovers its all just fun for you but others actually take it seriously, take football seriously, too seriously to be honest but to play on their insecurities trying to make them choose a side is wrong, and dont try saying you dont because when you accuse people with differing opinions to you of being in the "hoofball brigade" then thats you trying to force them too choose, agree with me or be derided.
have fun with it but dont bully others into agreeing with you.
oh and mic, i went to the protest not to potest about the appointment but to hear answers to fans questions not just a press release, you on the other hand sat there and heard the press message and made your mind up from that.
incedently i came away from that meeting with mccabe and wilson reasonably happy, how about those people that only had his staged press conference, did that inspire you to believe again?

MunXy

 

[diplomat]

I'm up for running through the pumps at the Cremorne with or without Wilson

 

[Deleted member 875]

- Trip around Kelham Island brewery followed by ‘football discussion in the Kelham Island Tavern
- Few pints of real ale and some tasty pub grub over tactical talks at Champs Bar on Ecclesall Road
- An ‘all the pumps’ afternoon session at the Cremorne on London Road
- Pie and peas and a gallon of ale at the Frog and Parrot on Division street

Mr Wilson, the future could be bright. It should be red and white. RPFA members are sick of their eyes bleeding after visits from Bramall Lane. They should not need the regular (Saturday night) dozen pint mix of Black Sheep, Kelham Island, Wobbly Bob, Timothy Taylor and Old Peculiar to try and forget the sacrilege that is committed on inside Bramall Lane on a Saturday afternoon. RAPFA members would welcome being able to watch the game without having to cover their faces with their hands every time an SUFC player attempts a pass. The time has come for SUFC fans to stop thinking that their granny could do a better job than the players on the pitch. RAPFA will not these workhorses corrupting Sheffield United FC and violating the beautiful game. It is time to banish the hoof and embrace the beautiful game and Danny, we think you are the man to do this. You may meet some opposition from the ‘we love hoof’ brigade, but you should not be deterred. We will back you all the way if you banish this horrendous ‘up and at em’ culture at BDTBL.

Yours sincerely,
The Real Ale and Proper Football Alliance

Bloody hell Olly, you know less about beer than you do about football!

The Frog and Parrott has regressed immeasurably since the days of Roger and out, and Champs would also also not be on the list. You had the choice of selecting the Sheffield Tap, Rutland, Dev Cat, Washington, Harlequin, Riverside, Fagans, Trippett, Fat Cat, Wellington, and plenty of other boozers but chose them two.

As for beer. I'd dispose of the mass produced Black Sheep, Timmy Taylors and Old Peculiar for some of the finest brews to come out of the Thronbridge, Bradfield, Acorn and Kelham Island breweries.

 

[Pinchy]

post: 342888"]Bloody hell Olly, you know less about beer than you do about football!

The Frog and Parrott has regressed immeasurably since the days of Roger and out, and Champs would also also not be on the list. You had the choice of selecting the Sheffield Tap, Rutland, Dev Cat, Washington, Harlequin, Riverside, Fagans, Trippett, Fat Cat, Wellington, and plenty of other boozers but chose them two.

As for beer. I'd dispose of the mass produced Black Sheep, Timmy Taylors and Old Peculiar for some of the finest brews to come out of the Thronbridge, Bradfield, Acorn and Kelham Island breweries.

The Acorn is a disappointment. Their 'Barnsley Bitter' is a poor substitute for the original and there are countless better Pale Ales than their brew. I'm bound to say I don't care much for Black Sheep, Taylor's or OP myself, but each to their own. I just can't take to the highly-regarded Jaipur either. But that's the point really, isn't it? There's a world of variety out there - Different flavours, different malts, different hops, different characters.

Can you imagine discussing lagers [or at least those generally available in the UK] in the same way? It just sounds daft.

I'm sorry I can't tempt you into RAPFA: I'm happy with your RA credentials but your PF lets you down

 

[Vancouver]

 

[shorehamview]

What nonsense. You really need to learn to take this forum a little less seriously. The RAPFA is exactly what is says on the tin: a real ale and proper football alliance. What we want is to sink a few pints of real ale on a Saturday afternoon before 3pm and then watch Sheffield United play football. Then, in the evening when we drink more real ale we want to proudly talk about how well we passed the ball, wasn't it great to see exciting attacking free flowing football, how nice it was to see midfielders that could pass and what a good feeling it was to see the beautiful game back at Bramall Lane. Is that too difficult to get your small intellect around SV?! If you really want better football, then why not join us? We can put our differences aside and have a few pints (of real ale) in the Cremorne on a Saturday in August and talk about ticky tacky, passing and moving and how great it would be to see proper footy at BDTBL!

I drink in the Golden Lion before matches, and unfortunately the beer there is what's known technically as "shit". Still, as I am often driving that tends not to bother me too much as fizzy pop is fizzy pop regardless of where you go.

I like to watch proper football; I just don't like all these clap/knock/real ale and football/seal/whatfuckingever "clubs" and "cliques.

Is that too difficult to get your intellect around?

And I was right - if you're not in the perceived "club" then you'll get vilified.

Small intellect? Hilarious shed thread.

 

[Muttley]

Black Sheep, Theakstons etc......I like 'em but since mass production their charms have weakened on me. Barnsley bitter...wont drink it on principle, may as well be OWL bitter.
There is a little shop on Whittington Moor called The Beer Parlour which stocks a wide range of local bottled brews and usually 5 more on the pump. Well worth a visit.
I am sick of going into pubs to be greeted with a selection of bland lagers and one bitter, usually John Smiths. Now they have ruined that by making Smoothflow and extra cold versions.. Baaaay, give me proper beer every day of the week, especially before kick off on a saturday afternoon.

 

[BladeHearts]

Then I'll buy you a couple at the Tavern or either of The Cats!


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RAPFA is an Internet amusement created by dialogue between Raul and I. It has no other function. I'd be delighted, however, to share a glass in the Rutland, Tavern or other such oasis with others who eschew (great word) Hoofing and want to talk about Maradona, Beckenbauer and Messi as opposed to Madonna, Burger Bar and Messy.

There are I think 4 members. JD and SCB are sympathisers but have yet to take the membership oath as prescribed by Raul. The politics and literature are strictly optional although the latter might be very useful in deciphering my metaphors and allegories after a few pints of Pale Rider.

:beer:

I'd like to join but would you have to be nominated by an existing member?

I fear being blackballed by Raul!

 

[Vancouver]

Black Sheep, Theakstons etc......I like 'em but since mass production their charms have weakened on me. Barnsley bitter...wont drink it on principle, may as well be OWL bitter.
There is a little shop on Whittington Moor called The Beer Parlour which stocks a wide range of local bottled brews and usually 5 more on the pump. Well worth a visit.
I am sick of going into pubs to be greeted with a selection of bland lagers and one bitter, usually John Smiths. Now they have ruined that by making Smoothflow and extra cold versions.. Baaaay, give me proper beer every day of the week, especially before kick off on a saturday afternoon.

If you're on Whit Moor surely you have been to the Derby Tup? Not been in a few years but it was my real ale pub of choice for many a year.

 

[shorehamview]

If you're on Whit Moor surely you have been to the Derby Tup? Not been in a few years but it was my real ale pub of choice for many a year.

Now that was a proper pub. Like you, not been in ages but have been mullered on sneakily strong beer in there on many an afternoon. Back in the days of midweek days off and no wife to nag about inconsequential rubbish like food shopping and mowing lawns and stuff.

 

[raul]

Pinch, I see RAPFA as a monthly Monday night club. We take it on the road to encompass all areas, but maybe kick off at the Rutland to take advantage of their excellent food too.

A night of convivial conversation with like-minded souls, a plethora of quality Ales, get out the big screen and a member puts on a piece of film of their choosing to entertain the rest. I'll kick off with the DVD from Euro 84 and the charms of Platini, Tigana and Giresse. A whip round for the Steelworkers of Redcar then last bus or train home.

 

[Ferenc Blade]

Ollessendro needs to learn what sarcasm is...even irony would help rather than a second rate attempt to be "funny"....whats up lad, no friends other than the internet? If you think your funny, I know a good psychiatrist.

 

[BladeHearts]

Ollessendro needs to learn what sarcasm is...even irony would help rather than a second rate attempt to be "funny"....whats up lad, no friends other than the internet? If you think your funny, I know a good psychiatrist.

Bit harsh Ferenc, Olly only wanted a friend to go to the pub with

 

[JJ Sefton]

If KB has a love for proper football, left leaning politics, English lit and real ale then he is welcome to come and join us down at the Kelham Island tavern for a few on match day.

Then shouldnt you call it the Real Ale and Proper Football and Left Wing Politics and English Literature Alliance?

 

[Cool Clint]

yattawaquag

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Ollessendro needs to learn what sarcasm is...even irony would help rather than a second rate attempt to be "funny"....whats up lad, no friends other than the internet? If you think your funny, I know a good psychiatrist.

This seems like a very interesting point.

 

[Bedrock Blade]

RAPFA?? Surely the FBC?

 

[Pinchy]

Pinch, I see RAPFA as a monthly Monday night club. We take it on the road to encompass all areas, but maybe kick off at the Rutland to take advantage of their excellent food too.

A night of convivial conversation with like-minded souls, a plethora of quality Ales, get out the big screen and a member puts on a piece of film of their choosing to entertain the rest. I'll kick off with the DVD from Euro 84 and the charms of Platini, Tigana and Giresse. A whip round for the Steelworkers of Redcar then last bus or train home.

Agreed Raul. I'd want to spare half an hour to discuss potential candidates for the 2011 [Bob] Booker Prize if that's OK with everyone?

I'll do the second month: Kelham Island Tavern. They have a very nice Pale Ale called Farmer's Blonde and I will present an esoteric film of the same name. Sadly no football on it though I think there's a bit of hoofing and a handball in there if memory serves.

 

[Muttley]

Vancouver,


Certainly do go in't Tup.

 

[Ollessendro]

well thanks for those points now please read back old boy, i said tho i hate to admit it id take direct football NOT ever i love it.
as stated above but seems you have trouble understanding other peoples writing, i said barcelona are unique, arsenal, real madrid and man ure to name but 3 this season tried and failed to play in different ways against barca , i stated inter because they by no means played their normal game, jose said he stifled barca played 8 man defence because playing any other way (see arsenal, real madrid and man ure this season) and you will get destroyed.
from what i see olle you dont debate, you give your opinion then are so closed minded that when others reply and dont agree you "debate" by telling them how wrong they are and how right you are, thats not debate, debate is being open minded enough to at least believe that other's opinions have merit, which unlike the many keyboard warriors, i did when i went to hear what mccabe and wilson had to say and unlike you, mic and the others of your ilk didnt.
like our old friend lenners there are so many sit behind a keyboard voicing strong opinion but never ever making a move to back up these convictions.
now to your final point, i admit to feeling a need to call you a t**t, a c**t and several other names but that just validates people like you, it gives you a glowing feeling of accomplishment, to which you don't deserve but you feel totally justified in feeling that when others feel frustration that you cannot grasp other peoples opinions have merit, they feel aggression, anger etc, you wish to devide the fans then claim not and cause these petty frictions then knock youself out cocker, knockers, clappers, hoofball brigade, real football lovers its all just fun for you but others actually take it seriously, take football seriously, too seriously to be honest but to play on their insecurities trying to make them choose a side is wrong, and dont try saying you dont because when you accuse people with differing opinions to you of being in the "hoofball brigade" then thats you trying to force them too choose, agree with me or be derided.
have fun with it but dont bully others into agreeing with you.
oh and mic, i went to the protest not to potest about the appointment but to hear answers to fans questions not just a press release, you on the other hand sat there and heard the press message and made your mind up from that.
incedently i came away from that meeting with mccabe and wilson reasonably happy, how about those people that only had his staged press conference, did that inspire you to believe again?

MunXy

Are you trying to force me into submission with bad grammer and the general ineligability of your posts?

I address some of your points in turn:

- The Barca thing: Arsenal beat Barca playing football earlier this season. In the first game Inter played goot attacing footbal and beat Barca. They had a man sent of early on at the Camp Nou and had no choice but to go backs to the wall. My opinion is that direct football is dated and should be left behind. All the best teams play proper football. Look at the last few world cup winners (with the possible exception of Italy) and the Champions League winners. They did not win lumping the ball up to the big centre forward. One of the main reasons England have not wona world cup since 66 is that ur game is too heavily reliant on kick and rush and it is easy to defend against.
- debating: I state my opinion and then I debate to back it up. If I get something wrong then I will happily admit it. Likewise I may change my mind if the person debates well and makes a good point. This is a forum for debate though and people should be expected to disagree. If I state my opinion and someone criticises it then I will defend my opinion. That is not telling people or wrong, it is merley trying to back up what I originally said.
- protest et al: Hmmmm. I did not protest because I was not again the appointment of Wilson. Simple as. If a protest was arranged for the right reasons (i.e. McCabe and the rest of the numties on the board fuckig the club up and not because we appointed an ex Wednesday manager) then I would go. But how do you know that I am a silent keybaord warrior? Has t not occured to you that I could be in regular contact with the club (through letters and e-mail etc) and could be using a different method (to pathetically protesting in the car park for the wrong reasons).
- dividing fans: I wish nothing of the sort. This is a club that is open to all. We want real football at the Lane and love footy. That is not dividing people.
- the forum/ some people take this forum way too seriously and it seems that you are one of them.

post: 342888"]Bloody hell Olly, you know less about beer than you do about football!

The Frog and Parrott has regressed immeasurably since the days of Roger and out, and Champs would also also not be on the list. You had the choice of selecting the Sheffield Tap, Rutland, Dev Cat, Washington, Harlequin, Riverside, Fagans, Trippett, Fat Cat, Wellington, and plenty of other boozers but chose them two.

As for beer. I'd dispose of the mass produced Black Sheep, Timmy Taylors and Old Peculiar for some of the finest brews to come out of the Thronbridge, Bradfield, Acorn and Kelham Island breweries.

Ah Brownie owd mucker. The king of the 'we love hoof' parade. I thought the man who wanted to keep hoofy Adams (a dinosaur that failed miserably and has officially the worst management record in the history of SUFC) in the job and then protested against an ex pig (and with it the chance of proper football) coming to the Lane might have something to say.

It is well documented that I no longer live in Sheffield, so forgive me if I am slightly out of touch with the real ale scene there. I still like Champs and they do a good selection of well kept ales, but I admit it might not be a classic real ale haven (I believe it is in the Good Pub/Camra real ale guide). The ales I chose are ones that people can relate to and not ones that I would necessarily drink. Also, they might seem commercial in South Yorkshire (where they are brewed) but are not in other places. Taylors is a classic ale and you do not win Championship ale 3 times for nothing. Black Sheeps Rigglewelter is still a great pint and I personally have never seen it on a pump outside of Yorkshire.

I would invite you along to the next RAPFA meeting, but I think your loveof hoof would get in the way.

I drink in the Golden Lion before matches, and unfortunately the beer there is what's known technically as "shit". Still, as I am often driving that tends not to bother me too much as fizzy pop is fizzy pop regardless of where you go.

I like to watch proper football; I just don't like all these clap/knock/real ale and football/seal/whatfuckingever "clubs" and "cliques.

Is that too difficult to get your intellect around?

And I was right - if you're not in the perceived "club" then you'll get vilified.

Small intellect? Hilarious shed thread.

You are half way there if you want proper football, but the thing hidering your membership application is the beer thing. You are right that the beer in the Lion is gash.

I seem to reember you saying the shed thread was a good allegory at some point. But it is clear to see that you struggle with metaphors and satire which would confirm your dislike for it. That and this age old grudge because we had heated debate some time ago.

Then shouldnt you call it the Real Ale and Proper Football and Left Wing Politics and English Literature Alliance?

It is a bit of a mouthful Walthy. Plus the main objectives of the group are to have proper football at BDTBL and to drink real ale before the game. The left wing politics and English lit parts are desirabkle, but not essential.

 

[JJ Sefton]

It is a bit of a mouthful Walthy.

No one likes a boaster.

 

[MunXy]

Are you trying to force me into submission with bad grammer and the general ineligability of your posts?

I address some of your points in turn:

- The Barca thing: Arsenal beat Barca playing football earlier this season. In the first game Inter played goot attacing footbal and beat Barca. They had a man sent of early on at the Camp Nou and had no choice but to go backs to the wall. My opinion is that direct football is dated and should be left behind. All the best teams play proper football. Look at the last few world cup winners (with the possible exception of Italy) and the Champions League winners. They did not win lumping the ball up to the big centre forward. One of the main reasons England have not wona world cup since 66 is that ur game is too heavily reliant on kick and rush and it is easy to defend against.
- debating: I state my opinion and then I debate to back it up. If I get something wrong then I will happily admit it. Likewise I may change my mind if the person debates well and makes a good point. This is a forum for debate though and people should be expected to disagree. If I state my opinion and someone criticises it then I will defend my opinion. That is not telling people or wrong, it is merley trying to back up what I originally said.
- protest et al: Hmmmm. I did not protest because I was not again the appointment of Wilson. Simple as. If a protest was arranged for the right reasons (i.e. McCabe and the rest of the numties on the board fuckig the club up and not because we appointed an ex Wednesday manager) then I would go. But how do you know that I am a silent keybaord warrior? Has t not occured to you that I could be in regular contact with the club (through letters and e-mail etc) and could be using a different method (to pathetically protesting in the car park for the wrong reasons).
- dividing fans: I wish nothing of the sort. This is a club that is open to all. We want real football at the Lane and love footy. That is not dividing people.
- the forum/ some people take this forum way too seriously and it seems that you are one of them.

you're having a giraffe ollie, you have the barefaced audacity to condemn my grammer then type like a 3 week old chimp with broken fingers LMFAO
i highlighted just one small section in the very first couple of lines, take note
few other points, pathetic of people not wanting danny wilson for whatever reason, i think not old boy, but yet again i shall reiterate, i went down there solely to get a response and not just the usual load of bollox released to the press.
your debating has a ring of "if you disagree then you must be a member of a different club" when infact its just a difference of opinion, and rightly or wrongly that does NOT make them members of this mythical hoofball brigade you and your league for proper football seem to believe.

now back to the salient point, for the last time i do not advocate long ball/direct football as the be all and end all, never have never would.
what i actually said was IF that was the only way to win and achieve success i would take it.
forum too serious, nah matey but i do take offence to people who dont know me labelling and others with stupid made up tags just because we dont agree 100% with people like you ollie, nothing more nothing less.
stop doing shit like that and me and you will get on famously.

MunXy

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I think you mean barefaced audacity....

 

[Bladesway]

Someone making himself the centre of attention again Olle. Tsk tsk.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Are you trying to force me into submission with bad grammer and the general ineligability of your posts? QUOTE]

Olle, please tell me you did that on purpose?

 

[Bladesway]

Are you trying to force me into submission with bad grammer and the general ineligability of your posts? QUOTE]

Olle, please tell me you did that on purpose?

Did he, didn't he? Isn't that the thing with Olle, your never supposed to know. Give him a hug someone.

 

[MunXy]

ok highbury i did mean audacity but he hes damn tenacious
hes like a little yapping jack russell, bless his lttle cotton socks and almost as anoying

MunXy

 

[Ollessendro]

few other points, pathetic of people not wanting danny wilson for whatever reason, i think not old boy, but yet again i shall reiterate, i went down there solely to get a response and not just the usual load of bollox released to the press.

Aha, so you were not one of the one's hording around the 'love United hate Wilson banner'? Did United appointing 'an ex pig' have no impact on whether you went down there or not? If no to both, then perhaps you were one of the smarter numpties. The signs, the singing and the interviews suggested that many (perhaps not all) were protesting because Danny Wilson was a former Sheffield Wednesday player/manager (or that had some role in why they were there).

your debating has a ring of "if you disagree then you must be a member of a different club" when infact its just a difference of opinion, and rightly or wrongly that does NOT make them members of this mythical hoofball brigade you and your league for proper football seem to believe.

There is nothing mythical about the 'we love hoof' brigade. There is an army of 'direct' loving numpties that have been holding the club back for years. These monty loving, long ball advocating, unambitous numpties have done an incredible amount of damage to Sheffield United and it is time they were challenged. This is one of the objectives to the RAPFA: to find these hoof lovers and rid them from BDTBL.

now back to the salient point, for the last time i do not advocate long ball/direct football as the be all and end all, never have never would.
what i actually said was IF that was the only way to win and achieve success i would take it.
forum too serious, nah matey but i do take offence to people who dont know me labelling and others with stupid made up tags just because we dont agree 100% with people like you ollie, nothing more nothing less.
stop doing shit like that and me and you will get on famously.

Mucker, you are starting to see the light. It is time to ditech your heroes Terry Butcher, Tony Adams and Brian Gayle and forgetting about hoof. But it seems you could be converted. Come down to the Kelham Island Tavern or meet me after a game at Champs and we will sink a few pints of real ale and talk about Cryff, Maradonna and Beckenbaur. You do like real ale don't you?

Are you trying to force me into submission with bad grammer and the general ineligability of your posts? QUOTE]

Olle, please tell me you did that on purpose?

Did Alanis Morisette mean to write a song about irony and not include a single ironical example? In doing so, she actually (rather brilliant) made the song actually ironic.

Did he, didn't he? Isn't that the thing with Olle, your never supposed to know.

Smarter than the average bear!?

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ok highbury i did mean audacity but he hes damn tenacious
hes like a little yapping jack russell, bless his lttle cotton socks and almost as anoying

I quite like this reference Munxy. Used to have a jack russel and there my favourite type of dog.

 

[JJ Sefton]

It is time to ditech your heroes Terry Butcher, Tony Adams and Brian Gayle and forgetting about hoof.

You never saw any of them play did you?

 

[SwissBlade]

You never saw any of them play did you?

I did, legends the lot of them

 

[Ollessendro]

You never saw any of them play did you?

I saw plenty of Brian Gayle and witnessed Adams play live a couple of times. Did not see Butcher live mind. That is not to say that I did not get enough opportunity to watch all 3 of them on televised games and make a judgement (dinosaur merchants of hoof) about them.

I did, legends the lot of them

Legends of 'hoof' indeed.