Jack O'Connell

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JohnDenver said:
Unless someone confirms he was pressured to play despite medical advice to the contrary, I see no story.

The poor bloke’s crocked, and people need to blame something. Mistakes might well have been made, but to date, this stuff remains groundless.
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Some people take a rumour as gospel.
I very much doubt Wilder pressured him to play over the advice of the medical team.
They're could be question marks over the medical teams diagnosis of it, potentially but even then sometimes things become more complicated.
 

benn5712 said:
Me. Need reminding, might not have been at that one.
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Yeah I think we lost 3-2 or 4-2. TMcA saved both but I think one of them Gemmell or OHare or somebody banged in the rebound. At the proverbial mudbath aka the Baseball ground in the mid '70's.
 
The Bear said:
Yeah I think we lost 3-2 or 4-2. TMcA saved both but I think one of them Gemmell or OHare or somebody banged in the rebound. At the proverbial mudbath aka the Baseball ground in the mid '70's.
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Went to the 4 - 1 defeat, Woody scoring for us.
 
CPB said:
Some people take a rumour as gospel.
I very much doubt Wilder pressured him to play over the advice of the medical team.
They're could be question marks over the medical teams diagnosis of it, potentially but even then sometimes things become more complicated.
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Quite.

A couple of years ago I tore my shoulder cartilage while climbing. The surgeon did a scan and said some people can carry on climbing with the injury, some can’t, and that surgery has a very good chance of success. He’d done the equivalent repair on various professional sportspeople, who got back to their previous levels.

I could actually carry on doing my sport, and did so for a couple of months, but it was painful and limiting. I decided to have the op, knowing in 10% cases it will fail. Luckily it worked for me but I know of others who never climbed again.

These things happen.
 
JohnDenver said:
Quite.

A couple of years ago I tore my shoulder cartilage while climbing. The surgeon did a scan and said some people can carry on climbing with the injury, some can’t, and that surgery has a very good chance of success. He’d done the equivalent repair on various professional sportspeople, who got back to their previous levels.

I could actually carry on doing my sport, and did so for a couple of months, but it was painful and limiting. I decided to have the op, knowing in 10% cases it will fail. Luckily it worked for me but I know of others who never climbed again.

These things happen.
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Yep , lap of the Gods job - but dem Football Gods have traditionally been cruel to dem Blades to an uncanny extent.
And now , it seems , to one of our top heroes.
 
JOC will be out all off next season been confirmed. England player Shaw came back last season after being out for 4 years with the same injury
 
CPB said:
Some people take a rumour as gospel.
I very much doubt Wilder pressured him to play over the advice of the medical team.
They're could be question marks over the medical teams diagnosis of it, potentially but even then sometimes things become more complicated.
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Not at United but I do know a football physio who once told me of a manager putting a lot of pressure on them to give the okay on playing a player in spite of an injury. The physio told them in no uncertain terms what they made of that idea. I find it hard to believe even if Wilder had wanted to gamble that the medical staff who assessed JOC wouldn't have been very clear on the risks.
 

The Bear said:
Yeah I think we lost 3-2 or 4-2. TMcA saved both but I think one of them Gemmell or OHare or somebody banged in the rebound. At the proverbial mudbath aka the Baseball ground in the mid '70's.
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what a dump the baseball ground was went 3 times and we never scored a goal and always a mudbath
 
Really awful news about JOC. Such a talented player. We MUST replace him for this season. A big failure last season was not doing so.
 
PokerBlade said:
Not at United but I do know a football physio who once told me of a manager putting a lot of pressure on them to give the okay on playing a player in spite of an injury. The physio told them in no uncertain terms what they made of that idea. I find it hard to believe even if Wilder had wanted to gamble that the medical staff who assessed JOC wouldn't have been very clear on the risks.
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I can believe that Wilder might do that and JOC will no doubt would have wanted to finish the season then get an op.

I know JohnDenver doesn't want to point fingers and I am leaning more towards a collective fuck up that led to JOC's situation.

Probably along the lines of manager will pose the question, maybe the medical team said perhaps he can finish the season and get an op in the summer. JOC gets asked if he wants to try to finish the season and he opts to keep playing.

Everyone took the risk, no one said no you can't play and it just made it worse.
 
Bladesman said:
I know JohnDenver doesn't want to point fingers and I am leaning more towards a collective fuck up that led to JOC's situation.
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I'm all for it when there's reason. And you might be right, :)

But the thing here is we simply don't know the original prognosis. It's not uncommon for medical advice to be 50/50 between managing an injury and getting the scalpel out.

Another boring story - my mate had knee problems last year, diagnosed as a meniscus tear. He was told he could play on and suffer through, or have surgery which may not improve matters. Sure enough, he had surgery, which had no complications, but he's still in playing with pain. He was warned.
 
benn5712 said:
He did play again. By that time though, Furphy had brought in Jim Brown and Tommo didn't seem to fit. Maybe lost confidence.
Went to Rotherham and West Ham.
Still see that studs up foul today. And Tommo writhing in agony. Hate Marsh. Eddie Colquhoun went for Marsh, non too successfully though.
Big favourite was MacAlister, probably still is amongst us who were around then.
When he played in that Watney cup match, commentator quoted Big Ed saying he was sure this boy will play for Scotland.
Hold Tommo above other Blades keepers. Another Harris era find, and for nowt.
Silent Blade will correct any of this.
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Completely agree benn5712, he was an excellent keeper!
 
The Bear said:
Yeah I think we lost 3-2 or 4-2. TMcA saved both but I think one of them Gemmell or OHare or somebody banged in the rebound. At the proverbial mudbath aka the Baseball ground in the mid '70's.
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As a kid growing up in the mid/late 70s always remember my dad telling me what a bogey team Derby had been and he used the term mudbath about the Baseball. Then first time I saw us against Derby, in the mid 80s, they did us 1-0 in the cup at the Lane, then did the double over us in the following season. Nineties were much better as we drew 1-1 at the Baseball in 90, late Deano equaliser and then beat them in the return in January with a last minute winner from Glynn Hodges who then preceded to go arse over tight into the Kop while celebrating the goal. I remember us then beating them 3-2 at the Baseball ground in something like 1994, have a feeling Nathan Blake might have got a goal or two.
 
SUFC Handsworth said:
As a kid growing up in the mid/late 70s always remember my dad telling me what a bogey team Derby had been and he used the term mudbath about the Baseball. Then first time I saw us against Derby, in the mid 80s, they did us 1-0 in the cup at the Lane, then did the double over us in the following season. Nineties were much better as we drew 1-1 at the Baseball in 90, late Deano equaliser and then beat them in the return in January with a last minute winner from Glynn Hodges who then preceded to go arse over tight into the Kop while celebrating the goal. I remember us then beating them 3-2 at the Baseball ground in something like 1994, have a feeling Nathan Blake might have got a goal or two.
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I think it was under DB the first time we won there for decades! After that we seemed to do ok there.
 

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