McBurnie Video

[AnotherBlade]

Cunt and pubic... Hmmmm.

lol, love it if I had more than about 3 seconds to correct my most unfortunate typos!

 

[mattbianco1]

Apart from the fact it's probably best not to share any of this given there's an ongoing investigation and this could technically be construed as prejudicing an investigation, I'm not sure how this helps him?

It shows that he might have been provoked more than once. It shows he has reacted aggressively more than once. It would be one thing if he got this shit daily and had always walked away before but there's two videos now which who him reacting aggressively. One with violence. It could even be the same video chopped in two. The only thing dating it is the fact we've been relegated, which only officially happened fairly recently.

Show that 2nd video in court and he gets off. You can't just talk to people like that.

 

[Iceybabey]

Like I said, the first vid lacked context. Scum deserved a slap.

 

[bongleblade]

not only is it outrageous behaviour from the perpetrators, but If these are Leeds fans it makes absolutely no sense at all.

OMB - Born in Leeds, academy product, probably supports Leeds as his English club.... but of course abuse him in the street.

 

[mattbianco1]

Oh look, here's the "14 year old" that everybody was sticking up for:

 

[sitwell]

Oh look, here's the "14 year old" that everybody was sticking up for:

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Wonder if he turns up for 5 a side this week ,and work ? If they both worked for me ,one would get a pat on the back and the other would be on his bike.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I think everyone involved acted like a complete cunt to be honest.

No sympathy for anybody from me.

 

[The Crab]

not only is it outrageous behaviour from the perpetrators, but If these are Leeds fans it makes absolutely no sense at all.

OMB - Born in Leeds, academy product, probably supports Leeds as his English club.... but of course abuse him in the street.

Anyone who thinks it's a "laugh" to goad someone with a lass and film it, most likely will not have the cognitive skills to have thought things through to that extent. He will think he plays for one of their rivals so it makes him, in his eyes, fair game.

In fact, in my opinion, anyone who thinks it's a laugh to film people for shits and giggles barely has the cognitive skills for anything much.

 

[Swinton Blade]

not only is it outrageous behaviour from the perpetrators, but If these are Leeds fans it makes absolutely no sense at all.

OMB - Born in Leeds, academy product, probably supports Leeds as his English club.... but of course abuse him in the street.

He doesn't support Leeds, he has said that a few times in past.

 

[bongleblade]

Oh look, here's the "14 year old" that everybody was sticking up for:

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They might have been right if they were referring to his mental age

 

[bypassblade]

They grow up quickly these days

Bloody do don't they lol

 

[PokerBlade]

What? lamped some cretin who was following him around abusing him whilst he's out with his missus? Tell you what, I'll follow you round whilst you're out with your partner, goading you, and we'll see if you react the same/similar way..

Very easy to take the high and mighty approach until it happens in reality imo.

I already how I'll react. I'm not trying to act high and mighty but we're talking about McBurnie facing assault charges and, from what we've seen, a very likely conviction. That's the bar here. I've never done that and it's not for want of opportunity.

 

[mattbianco1]

It's not a philosophical game. This isn't discussion in the abstract. This is a 24 year old who assaulted someone because they shouted mean things at him. All I'm saying is that, yes, I do expect adults to control their violent impulses. You and others think that's too high a bar when it's the kind of thing we tell kids they should know better than.

Next time I walk the dog, i'm going to follow the first person i see and continue to call him a useless cunt all the way to his house. I'll report back on how many limbs are still intact.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I already how I'll react. I'm not trying to act high and mighty but we're talking about McBurnie facing assault charges and, from what we've seen, a very likely conviction. That's the bar here. I've never done that and it's not for want of opportunity.

Are you goaded in the street on a regular basis? Asking because of your “not for want of opportunity” comment. Unless of course you’re famous.

 

[Jon Bon II]

Next time I walk the dog, i'm going to follow the first person i see and continue to call him a useless cunt all the way to his house. I'll report back on how many limbs are still intact.

Probably all of them if it's PokerBlade you're following.

 

[Jon Bon II]

Are you goaded in the street on a regular basis? Asking because of your “not for want of opportunity” comment. Unless of course you’re famous.

When I read the first sentence, I thought it was going to be an ad for tasers or extendable batons or something.

 

[The Crab]

When I read the first sentence, I thought it was going to be an ad for tasers or extendable batons or something.

If it isn't, it should be............

 

[mattbianco1]

Question for PokerBlade

How would you feel if McBurnie had taken his own life because of the abuse he's getting? What would your viewpoint be then? As Tarqs alluded to, all humans are different and some people wouldn't be able to live through that.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Not sure what to think about any of this. But it does raise some interesting questions / parallels.

Obviously, written abuse on the web from your own "supporters" for doing your job badly in matches, and abuse shouted on a pavement in Knaresbrough from other clubs' fans during down-time, are different experiences, in different contexts. But S24SU is as much a public forum as a pavement. And calling someone a shit cunt is, well, calling someone a shit cunt.

Would folk who are defending McBurnie, but who have abused our players on here this season--and there's a few knocking around--accept a knee in the gut, a smack in the eye, and a fucked-up iPhone from JL7, e.g., or Brewster, or good ol' SmackBurnie himself?

That's not meant to be, or sound, judgemental or pious, or anything, really. I find the whole shitty mess genuinely confusing. Even if it is a perfect distillation of the worst season ever.

They should set it as an ethics question on a GCSE R.E. paper. Or something.

 

[mattbianco1]

Would folk who are defending McBurnie, but who have abused our players on here this season--and there's a few knocking around--accept a knee in the gut, a smack in the eye, and a fucked-up iPhone from JL7, e.g., or Brewster, or good ol' SmackBurnie himself?

I would say constructive criticism is allowed and accepted. Calling someone a shit cunt isn't.

 

[sitwell]

Question for PokerBlade

How would you feel if McBurnie had taken his own life because of the abuse he's getting? What would your viewpoint be then? As Tarqs alluded to, all humans are different and some people wouldn't be able to live through that.

Or if those ferals had laid into him and his girlfriend like the Dublin lowlifes ?

 

[The Crab]

Not sure what to think about any of this. But it does raise some interesting questions / parallels.

Obviously, written abuse on the web from your own "supporters" for doing your job badly in matches, and abuse shouted on a pavement in Knaresbrough from other clubs' fans during down-time, are different experiences, in different contexts. But S24SU is as much a public forum as a pavement. And calling someone a shit cunt is, well, calling someone a shit cunt.

Would folk who are defending McBurnie, but who have abused our players on here this season--and there's a few knocking around--accept a knee in the gut, a smack in the eye, and a fucked-up iPhone from JL7, e.g., or Brewster, or good ol' SmackBurnie himself?

That's not meant to be, or sound, judgemental or pious, or anything, really. I find the whole shitty mess genuinely confusing. Even if it is a perfect distillation of the worst season ever.

They should set it as an ethics question on a GCSE R.E. paper. Or something.

Fair and pertinent points.

What I would say is it's probably why players are encouraged by their clubs to give Social Media a swerve. Thats not to defend it happening, but I guess it's easier to avoid social media, than it is to avoid some guy following you up the road with a camera

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

I would say constructive criticism is allowed and accepted. Calling someone a shit cunt isn't.

For sure. I specifically had in mind our fans who call our players those things, and worse.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Fair and pertinent points.

What I would say is it's probably why players are encouraged by their clubs to give Social Media a swerve. Thats not to defend it happening, but I guess it's easier to avoid social media, than it is to avoid some guy following you up the road with a camera

Yep. Though they're both public spaces. Should players also have to avoid going to other public spaces they don't actually have to use, just in case some cretin steps over a line (I dunno, parks, say, or cinemas, or libraries)?

Like I say, it confuses me.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

After watching the second video, my only regret is that the battery on the phone didn't run out so that McBurnie could've given him a deserved pasting without consequence.

I'm conflicted because while violence only begets violence, there is large generation of lads running around now without fear of consequence or regard for anyone or anything. The little prick in this video is one. If giving them a good slap when they flare up isn't the answer, what is?

 

[Gimli]

What's wealth but a second hand emotion.

Who needs a phone when your phone can get broken??

 

[PokerBlade]

Are you goaded in the street on a regular basis? Asking because of your “not for want of opportunity” comment. Unless of course you’re famous.

I'd guess no more than the other people telling me I can't say I wouldn't react violently. I don't want to go into personal anecdotes, but at least one of them I know I've shared before on this forum that involved me walking home with a girl and some chavvy shite throwing a racial slur at her. She actually pulled me back from having words, but I certainly wouldn't have thrown the first punch. Again, I'd rather not go too personal as if I've got to pit my experiences against everyone else's. Especially not when we're talking about an event that is very obviously criminal.

Question for PokerBlade

How would you feel if McBurnie had taken his own life because of the abuse he's getting? What would your viewpoint be then? As Tarqs alluded to, all humans are different and some people wouldn't be able to live through that.

I'd feel awful. I'm a huge advocate for mental health issues, fwiw. My counter is that I don't think we have a binary here between sucking it up and taking it and snapping and lashing out violently. I don't think the solution to antisocial behaviour is for people to start throwing punches when they feel like it. I don't think the solution to the abuse celebrities and other people take is for them to take the law in their own hands. Harassment is also a crime and can even rise to the level of assault in and of itself. Maybe, as a first port of call, McBurnie could've turned his camera back on them and plastered the twats face all over Twitter? He's certainly got the following to do that. I'd be more than happy to laugh it up if this insurance broker lost his job because he was caught being an abusive lout on camera, or if his family saw him go viral for shouting insults at some guy going about his business.

The choices aren't "everyone do nothing" and "McBurnie gets a free punch".

 

[The Crab]

Yep. Though they're both public spaces. Should players also have to avoid going to other public spaces they don't actually have to use, just in case some cretin steps over a line (I dunno, parks, say, or cinemas, or libraries)?

Like I say, it confuses me.

Absolutely not, they shouldn't have to become recluses whether it's online or in the real world.

But sadly, morons run through society just as sure as a streak of Raspberry Sauce runs through a tub of Raspberry Ripple.

 

[CrookesBlade]

Not sure what to think about any of this. But it does raise some interesting questions / parallels.

Obviously, written abuse on the web from your own "supporters" for doing your job badly in matches, and abuse shouted on a pavement in Knaresbrough from other clubs' fans during down-time, are different experiences, in different contexts. But S24SU is as much a public forum as a pavement. And calling someone a shit cunt is, well, calling someone a shit cunt.

Would folk who are defending McBurnie, but who have abused our players on here this season--and there's a few knocking around--accept a knee in the gut, a smack in the eye, and a fucked-up iPhone from JL7, e.g., or Brewster, or good ol' SmackBurnie himself?

That's not meant to be, or sound, judgemental or pious, or anything, really. I find the whole shitty mess genuinely confusing. Even if it is a perfect distillation of the worst season ever.

They should set it as an ethics question on a GCSE R.E. paper. Or something.

Its a fair enough point. In my view there are different shades of grey.

I think anybody who plays professionally has to accept that everybody watching has a right to offer a view on their performance. Unfortunately some people don't know where the line is between constructive criticism and personal abuse (player X missed a relatively easy chance therefore they are a cunt etc).

Similarly footballers are in the public eye and again have to accept that members of the public will form an opinion on their character. For example I might write on here that I think John Terry is a twat. If he read this on here and decided to drive up to my house and smack me in the face that would be disproportionate as he'd have ample time to consider his actions and in balance being called a twat isn't the end of the world.

However, if I was sat across from him in a pub goading him and filming him he could be forgiven for reacting in a split second. Also if its serious personal abuse (i.e. racism, bringing people's families into it etc) than thats another level again.

Ultimately 2 wrongs don't make a right but you can't accept players to be sponges for abuse. Everybody has a breaking point for what they are willing to tolerate.

I wouldn't be surprised if the self styled 'Wolf of Knaresborough' spends a lot of time trolling players and suddenly the lines between twitter and real life became blurred and he got a reaction he had been conditioned not to expect.

 

[WhiteHawk]

But sadly, morons run through society just as sure as a streak of Raspberry Sauce runs through a tub of Raspberry Ripple.

Last time I asked for ice cream at the Happy Crab it definitely wasn't raspberry sauce that was on it.