Managers, Sheds and Relegation

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In preparation for the inevitable driving of the final nail by our welsh visitors tomorrow night, I’ve decided to take an all together different approach to our up-coming games. No longer shall I worry about the deficit of points or our inability to clear the ball out of defence properly. My last fleeting hope of pulling off a miraculous escape was extinguished on Saturday by a combination of poor finishing and inept defending which have dogged us all season. Sometimes I listen to a minority of our supporters and think we deserve this for the kind of attitude we show and the way we portray ourselves as a club. Then other times I look at the same faces sat round me, who I see week in and week out with that oh so familiar desperate expression written across their mug.....those of unmoved faith.....those that make me realise we deserve better, if only for their sake.

For desperate expressions, look no further than our beleaguered gaffer. A man who took on his dream job and has slowly found it to have become an unimaginable nightmare. I like many Blades am so desperate for him to do well.....but surely the run of results we have seen is an indication that he has bitten off more than he can chew? I get the impression he came into this job believing his enthusiasm and genuine nature would rub off on the players and do just enough to turn the tide in preparation for better things next season. I don’t think he had any idea of the monumental task he was taking on. No he hasn’t done well, his record is shocking but in my view he is a decent manager who came unprepared and took the job at the wrong time. In other words (if I was being more harsh) not a good enough manager to turn this mess around. I’m not at all convinced that the previous three would have fared much better if landed in the same situation but that is somewhat imponderable and irrelevant at this stage.

The quite ironic thing about football at times is that those closest to it often can’t see the wood for the trees where as supporters can see exactly what elements are wrong. We’re not as irrational and fickle as some would like us to believe. Sometimes it is supporters that make the most prophetic argument. If you look behind the quirky metaphorical sense of humour in Olle’s shed update (for example) there is a message that most of us can relate to. The fact that all we want is for them to build something half decent, something we can be proud of and say we were part of making that happen. But we can see why it hasn’t worked and we can see what needs to be undertaken to sort it out.....but whilst the man in charge of putting it together is clueless of what to do next, the man above him with the resources to do it is simply unprepared to sort out the mess he has left behind. The overriding message is one of desperation and regret, that it hadn’t all been sorted out sooner and now we dwell on the mistakes that have been made while it is still in pieces. As an aside, we look to scrap it all once again and clutch straws as we think about doing something totally different (i.e. building the pond).

When we eventually do find that “R” next to our name it will come as no surprise to me. In truth I have feared the worst since the turn of the year and have said so on a couple of occasions. I like many of you have seen a lot of football and I know when something is rotten. This has been coming for sometime.....possibly longer than most Blades anticipated. When you look back at all the stick our resident complainants used to get (mic, lenners and co.) about being negative and impossible to please, perhaps they saw something quite obvious that others refused to see. I often don’t like the way they put their message across but fair is fair and when someone was right about something you have to give credit where it’s due. They effectively predicted this demise, even if it was done with an abrasive tone that upset others. Perhaps if certain people at the club had their foresight we wouldn’t be getting relegated. Who knows?! But now that the shit is hitting the fan it is about time that those from the other end of the spectrum stop shutting their eyes to it and accept the club is a shambles and has let its supporters down.

Setting all that to one side, tomorrow night should be interesting in the sense of seeing how many supporters actually turn out and then to see how they respond. We look a racing certainty for the drop now and it would be the greatest comeback since Lazarus if we managed to so much as stand a chance on the final day. I already expect MA to stick with the same group of players when by now he should really be accepting our fate and blooding the youth (our only hope of a bright future). The team we have are bottom of the league because they are the worst in the division – “the table doesn’t lie” – and persisting with the same individuals is what has cost us in the latter half of this season. Write it off and get shut of them, get the youngsters ready! Next season is going to be steep learning curve for them but we have to start now, or find ourselves lagging behind again when we start next season.

I’ll be there tomorrow night getting behind the team and I hope all of my fellow Blades will do the same. Whilst we dwell and reflect on one of the most miserable seasons in recent memory, there is little we can do about it now. The damage is done and it is about where we go from here. All I ask is that as supporters we don’t sleepwalk through this.....those running the club are doing a fine job of that on their own. Support the team but let those in charge know how you feel. Relegation from the second tier is NOT acceptable for a club like Sheffield United. We want better and we deserve better!

UTB
 



Up until saturday I was 100% bhind MA, but even I am doubting his managerial skills. I was behind him because I dont believe this dire situation is his fault. It is in my opinion due to the decisions made at boardroom level, the "shit we are going down, I'm stepping down as Chairman and dissappearing" attitude shown by McCabe.
Now however there is one thing that has left me in total bewilderment as far as Micky is concerned.
That is the inclusion of the disasters that are Collins & Nosworthy, after yet another depressing showing at QPR (Nos especially).
IMO they shouls never pull on the shirt again, not good enough, end of!
How the biggest dissappointments of this season STILL get in the starting line up is simply beyond belief.
 
Did sumone mention mi shed? It's fooked nar :(

N wots a methaphor?? :D
 
1 - We are down
2 - Micky needs to fuck off pronto
3 - We should all try and get to the Youth Cup Final
4 - We should ditch hald the squad
 
Fully agree and a great post SteelCity. Also, fully agree with Muttley, as they are my thoughts also.

Do i think MA is the man to get us back up? if you'd asked me at 2pm last saturday i would have said yes. now, im not so sure. However, i do feel that he deserves a fair crack from the start of the season. Lets reassess at christmas next year.

Just look at the pigs, they have lost ground by changing manager after relegation, i hope the club doesn't make any rash decisions, and before they choose to get rid of Adams, have a look around and genuinly look at who would do a better job, and who is a realistic target. I think you will struggle to find any.

People are complaining about the players showing no heart or passion for the club, but surely Adams is the only one who we know full well gives a shit, and wants to see this club succeed. Not for his own success, but because he feels the same pain we do when we lose, and that has to count for something.
 
Fair comments Blader and I know what you mean about showing passion but I can't agree with this Adams feels the same as we do when we lose comment. He's gettin £5k a week or somat close to it for doing a job. It is totally irrelevant whether he is a Blade or not - if anything it hinders things imo. I couldn't care less who the manager supported as a kid.
 
Just look at the pigs, they have lost ground by changing manager after relegation, i hope the club doesn't make any rash decisions, and before they choose to get rid of Adams, have a look around and genuinly look at who would do a better job, and who is a realistic target. I think you will struggle to find any.

But the pigs didn't change manager after getting relegated. They let Irvine recruit a number of players (despite not having the money to pay for them or their wages) and then have more than half a season (and another transfer window) before getting rid once it was obvious that they weren't coming straight back under him.

Are you saying we give Adams longer than this? How many seasons are we prepared for re-building in the third tier without any sign of being promoted before he is shown the door?
 
Fair comments Blader and I know what you mean about showing passion but I can't agree with this Adams feels the same as we do when we lose comment. He's gettin £5k a week or somat close to it for doing a job. It is totally irrelevant whether he is a Blade or not - if anything it hinders things imo. I couldn't care less who the manager supported as a kid.

Seems to be a big sheffield thing, having a manager that is a fan etc...very rare in most parts of the country
 
I think SteelCityBlade is spot on about Lenners, Ollie et al. Many folk try to be optimistic and maybe they saw things that the rest of us refused to believe. However, I think that they all would get more folk listening to them if they put their views across without the need for childish insults. Right now, we have 'Alehouse' being used as the name for our manager, we had 'Hoofy' before that ... Just make your point, fellas! People will listen more if you put the point across right. However, right now, we have two completely pointless threads created by beightonblade that are a waste of a click to be frank.

The Adams debate is an interesting one and I suspect that there is a split opinion. I'm not going to blame Micky Adams for this completely - in fact I'd lay 10% of the blame with him. Sure, his signings of Collins and Doyle are not helping but if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. Maybe it's the best that was available to him? I can understand why he'd want experience rather than rely on youngsters back in January. He's working with his hands almost tied. You could also argue that he has been incredibly unlucky: the gameplan on Saturday would have worked 9 times out of 10 and we'd be looking at a win tomorrow to really pressure Palace and co. Add to that that MA and his team didn't deserve to lose to Leicester and Norwich at t'Lane, played Leeds off the park and he was badly, badly let down by the players at Scunthorpe and you have United throwing away 5+ points that would be valuable right now. I agree with SCB completely that MA is a decent manager who has arrived here at the worst possible time for him.

So, do we keep him and let him rebuild? Or do we let him go and bring a new man in?

The benefit of a new manager coming is that this may be the best time for it. The canvas could be rather blank if United get the players they want out of the club. Unfortunately, Ched's upturn in form since December will lead to him leaving just as we're starting to see something. What worries me is the likes of Henderson - he might take a slight cut to his wage to get back to the Championship but who is going to want him? I can't see anybody paying for Quinn and Monty so we'd have to give them away. Doyle and Collins are going nowhere. It's easy to say let's get rid of all these failures but they're on decent money and are under contract - someone has to take them off our hands. Whoever is in charge, we need to identify 11 experienced players and mix another team of development/youth squad into it. And go from there, IMO.
 
But the pigs didn't change manager after getting relegated. They let Irvine recruit a number of players (despite not having the money to pay for them or their wages) and then have more than half a season (and another transfer window) before getting rid once it was obvious that they weren't coming straight back under him.

Are you saying we give Adams longer than this? How many seasons are we prepared for re-building in the third tier without any sign of being promoted before he is shown the door?

I'm saying he deserves to be there from the start of the season. Not to 'bring his own players in'and all that nonsense, but just to gain some momentum as a manager.

When Adams was appointed, we were on the decline and it is ever so difficult to get any team out of that mentality, as was shown by the proceeding dozen games. but who knows, if MA wins his first 2 or three games next season, we may see a totally different team all together, with confidence and attack-minded. All im saying is, that we know Micky is a good manager, and has acheived good things as a manager, lets just see what can happen if he has a team playing with confidence.
 
Count me in for any Ditch Halding of the squad. Sounds painful and it fucking will be if they let me on it.

That's a plan. Hald the bastards in the nearest ditch. For a long time. With a pointy stick and some pissed-off hungry terriers please.
 
Good post SCB

I think you are giving our resident ape too much credit. Maybe he is just actually useless with his hands. A bit like Nos is with his feet.

At least Olle keeps us amused on occasion. Nos just makes me angry - never been a footballer.
 
Good post SCB

I think you are giving our resident ape too much credit. Maybe he is just actually useless with his hands. A bit like Nos is with his feet.

At least Olle keeps us amused on occasion. Nos just makes me angry - never been a footballer.
i was in kenilworth recently ,lovely place .trying to convince my missus to get a place there when she starts at warwick business school
 



i was in kenilworth recently ,lovely place .trying to convince my missus to get a place there when she starts at warwick business school

Lived there for about 10 years, then Leamington for 4 and for the last 5 near Stratford Upon Avon.
Kenilworth used to be nicer but there are too many charity shops there now. Still a good place to live and easy access to a good motorway network. The Castle is a ruin but still really impressive, especially when they have the large firework displays there.

This whole area of Warwickshire is pretty good and we have the Cotswolds on the door step.
Mind you - Coventry is a shit hole, though. Birmingham too come to that.

WBS has a great reputation so I hope your Mrs gets on well there.
 
Oh dear, damn those nasty people who won't smile and wave. I'm all for positivity but lets look at where we are with actual facts.

1) 4th Manager this season
2) No money to spend on players (where the hell has it gone)
3) A squad lacking in depth, quality or pace that is showing itself to be the worst in the division
4) No continuity in leadership
5) A manager who apparently is struggling to manage such a big club (hence he brought DB in)
6) A Chairman/owner who refuses to fund any purchases.
7) A team looking relegated even before we get to the last 5 games of the season

I think its fair to say they are all facts. There are others but I couldn't stick them down as facts.

Then lets address the faces of hope. Out of the 10,000 or so that have stopped going any more how many of them are like Len, Ollie, Micalijo etc etc etc? The reason the faces around you are full of hope is because everyone else has buggered off. Leaving those who are clinging on to whatever shred of hope there is left.

I wouldn't be asking what has happened because I think its obvious. My question is how the hell did we get here and wheres the money gone?
 
Good post SCB

I think you are giving our resident ape too much credit. Maybe he is just actually useless with his hands. A bit like Nos is with his feet.

At least Olle keeps us amused on occasion. Nos just makes me angry - never been a footballer.

Have you not realised Olle and Nossy are the same person? Just think about Nossy trying to build garden structures.
 
Have you not realised Olle and Nossy are the same person? Just think about Nossy trying to build garden structures.

Not remotely feasible Boo. Olle shows that he has a brain and Nos - well the evidense is there for all to see.
I am convinced that if Nos put his boots on the wrong feet he might be able to kick a ball straight on the odd occasion.

If Nos was trying to build a shed he would be standing on the panel he was looking to attach to the rest of the frame and look bewildered as time and time again he failed to complete his erection.

Contrast this with Olle - he would just sit there playing with his untill he fell asleep.
 
Oh dear, damn those nasty people who won't smile and wave. I'm all for positivity but lets look at where we are with actual facts.

1) 4th Manager this season
2) No money to spend on players (where the hell has it gone)
3) A squad lacking in depth, quality or pace that is showing itself to be the worst in the division
4) No continuity in leadership
5) A manager who apparently is struggling to manage such a big club (hence he brought DB in)
6) A Chairman/owner who refuses to fund any purchases.
7) A team looking relegated even before we get to the last 5 games of the season

I think its fair to say they are all facts. There are others but I couldn't stick them down as facts.

Then lets address the faces of hope. Out of the 10,000 or so that have stopped going any more how many of them are like Len, Ollie, Micalijo etc etc etc? The reason the faces around you are full of hope is because everyone else has buggered off. Leaving those who are clinging on to whatever shred of hope there is left.

I wouldn't be asking what has happened because I think its obvious. My question is how the hell did we get here and wheres the money gone?

Thats hit the nail firmly and squarely on the head.

In the answer to the last question, a lot of our problems stem from the fact that McCabe let Terry Robinson and Bryan Robson run riot with a Premiership budget in the Championship and gambled on an instant promotion. Robinson and Robson fucked it up royally, and i had the foresight at the time to see that it would set us back year, and so it has come to pass.
 
tbf i think a lot of us saw this coming but were dismissed as 'sunshine band'.. if you have a team that has so many loanees you can't put them all on the pitch at the same time.. the lowest goals for and one of the highest goals against then it's time to wake up and smell the coffee really
 
More of a Tea man myself, really.

I was worried as soon as I saw how Speed set up the team when he took over - but many shot me down asking if I wanted to continue with hoof.
My point was that you can play attractive, positive football regardless of whether it is tip-tap or direct. Good teams can mix and match and adapt.
You can also be very negative with the so called silky skilled game. Excitement at a football game comes from goal mouth action not how many times your centre backs can pass it between them before they lump it up to a lone striker with 3 defenders on him and watch him lose possession within a couple of seconds. The lack of chances created and goals scored was a key concern as soon as Speed started. The Borough game away was a prime example - they were awful then and we could have ripped them apart with some attacking play - but no, we kept the same game plan and after a reasonable first half we sat back and invited them on and got punished. That's where the problem showed itself in all it's miserable, rotten, attire.

I do believe that if Blacke had been in charge (I didn't shed any tear when he left but I was not convinced the timing was right) we would all be still moaning - but for very different reasons.
 
I agree with the comment about Blackwell, we wouldn't be bottom but we would be nowhere near the the play offs and this forum would be on fire with moaners, me included probably, about the lack of ambition, quality of play. Isn't hindsight wonderful, did anyone think after the 1-1 draw at Cardiff on the first day of the season when we were unlucky not to win that we would meet them again ready to drop into the abyss
 
I think you are giving our resident ape too much credit. Maybe he is just actually useless with his hands. A bit like Nos is with his feet.

At least Olle keeps us amused on occasion. Nos just makes me angry - never been a footballer.

Tha wot? It's not mi, it's mi tools. Ders bin 3 other fookers tryin to build dis shed dis year, I ant ad no muney, landlord dunt care n d foundations are rotten. It's not mi fault! Am gud wi mi hands really!!? :D

Not remotely feasible Boo. Olle shows that he has a brain and Nos - well the evidense is there for all to see.

dat's better :D

tbf i think a lot of us saw this coming but were dismissed as 'sunshine band'..

dem wer days sp ;)
 
tbf i think a lot of us saw this coming but were dismissed as 'sunshine band'

To be fair sp I recently acknowledged how right some of you were and I have seldom been ultra positive about things myself. I've had some major concerns for a long time but I had a different way of putting it across. I know this doesnt really apply to you, but as another poster said yesterday.....its the way that some individuals made their point (and still do). It is too abrasive and other posters dont like it - thats why it was often dismissed. An argument can be made without all that and people would be more likely to listen.

The sunshine band and clappers name calling was all a bit of fun from my point of view. It was taken far too seriously after a while.
 

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