My take ...

[Begley]

We possibly could afford those fees/ wages if you want to put the club at risk
You only have to look at a club like Bolton that lived beyond its means for many years
Wasnt Villa in danger financially until you managed to find a mega rich owner to bail you out
Our owner is not rich by PL standards
The £2m difference you talk about in the Wilson deal wouldnt cover Wilsons £70k per week extra wages for long. It wasnt worth going in for Lingard in January as we are already down he preferred West Han anyway why wouldnt he

But reducing the total transfer spend would facilitate higher wages. There were lots of loans available last summer as opposed to 40m on 2 players and absolutely no need to put the club at any greater financial risk. Surely the current strategy which looks like it will result in relegation this summer at a cost of in excess 100m a year out of the PL is a far greater risk to the club?

 

[Rudders]

We possibly could afford those fees/ wages if you want to put the club at risk
You only have to look at a club like Bolton that lived beyond its means for many years
Wasnt Villa in danger financially until you managed to find a mega rich owner to bail you out
Our owner is not rich by PL standards
The £2m difference you talk about in the Wilson deal wouldnt cover Wilsons £70k per week extra wages for long. It wasnt worth going in for Lingard in January as we are already down he preferred West Han anyway why wouldnt he

People are in cloud cuckoo land with sunlit unicorns frolicking about if they think United could afford Lingard or Wilson. Never ever realistically get anywhere near their wage demands. Premier league wages in the top half are ridiculous, you know this!
Don't use it as a hammer to belt Wilder and the Prince ie " he spent 25M over 5 years on Brewster he should have signed Ibrahimovic on a free" etc. There is a reason those types of players don't come here, we can't afford them due to their wage demands. Just pretending that we can is not helping anyone.

 

[Tony Jones]

Wilders not the same manager its clear to everyone, the arrogance has taken over. We need to freshen up else next season we wont be coming back up

 

[ancientblade]

Wilders not the same manager its clear to everyone, the arrogance has taken over. We need to freshen up else next season we wont be coming back up

has to be a freshen up this summer its crucial and going to be make or break for chris wilder if he gets it wrong this next window i think his time with us will be over

 

[bartman]

ive never rated mcburnie to be honest he played very well in swanseas system but hes never suited our set up and very much doubt he will do it for us in the championship ive more hope with brewster though i think if we strengthen our midfield to provide the ammunition he will get us 20 plus goals next season but chris has to somehow get his mojo back and quickly if we play this turgid style of football in the championship i think he will be gone very quickly

Agreed that McBurnie doesnt suit our system. Neither does Brewster or Berge. So why have we spent £60million on players who don't suit our system ? Didn't we scout them properly? Can't we coach them effectively?

Or alternatively, why didn't we change our system to ensure these players' abilities are maximised for the benefit of the team ?

 

[pommpey]

Or alternatively, why didn't we change our system to ensure these players' abilities are maximised for the benefit of the team ?

I admire your insight bartman, but given 25 matches of rinse-repeat-defeat this season with 5-3-2 and WIlderball, how likely do you think that is.

I have no doubt McBurnie is a pretty effective centre forward. Brewster can possibly finish like a good un and be a reyt handful. Berge can dominate the midfield space and be creative.

That aint gonna happen when Wilder has set the system up and is yelling 'OLLIE NORWOOD' from the touchline for players to pass to him so he can clip it across the backline or boot it to the wings which eventually leads to us losing possession. It gives McBurnie, Brewster (and the rest) no service and denies Berge his chance to move up the centre of the pitch.

pommpey

 

[gordoncharles]

Agreed that McBurnie doesnt suit our system. Neither does Brewster or Berge. So why have we spent £60million on players who don't suit our system ? Didn't we scout them properly? Can't we coach them effectively?

Or alternatively, why didn't we change our system to ensure these players' abilities are maximised for the benefit of the team ?

McBurnie did suit our way of playing last year. There was an entire thread on the comparison with Maupay, started by a Brighton-supporting troll attempting to stir the pot, but when you looked at the actual numbers not only did McBurnie have an almost identical strike rate to Maupay, there was no comparison in the defensive areas of the pitch where McBurnie made dozens of defensive clearances and won way more aerial duels.

Without an adaptation, a new inspiration, you go backwards. Even a club with the greatest resources like Barcelona have found that out, and we've been attempting to play the same way for five seasons. It may even still work in the Championship, maybe not, but it stinks the place out where we are right now.

 

[maidmarion]

This is the first game of the season where I’ve actually thought.....why am I watching this....
Agreed with all your comments....very articulate too.....

Now can we just leave this league now and start preparing for next season.....

 

[Begley]

Never ever realistically get anywhere near their wage demands.

Why?

The amount of money is / was available during the transfer window and the club elected to spend it elsewhere. That is not an ability to afford the wages, it is choosing not to pay the wages. Yes, there are potential longer-term benefits of buying young players, improving them and selling at a profit. However, making that decision was at the cost of having a team capable of retaining its PL status this season which is a far greater loss of revenue than the potential of selling Brewster for 40m in a few years

 

[United Aren't Back.]

The fuck are you on about, Silent? Fuck me, you really have lost it haven't you?

Look, like Geordie, Sitwell and the rest of the mardy arses who can't bear a bit of invective about our dismally shit team (and despite your global mastery of all things United and how much of a badge kissing BaldeyBlade you are, you've still not provided one microgram of dialogue which is prescient and thought provoking as to 'why'?) why don't you piss off over onto your own Temple of United thread where you and the deludeds can circle wank to eternity at how great we were between 2016 and 2019, coming up from the lower divisions where the likes of McCabe kept us for his own means? Just don't read the next 'My take ... ' huh? It will make you rooer and you'll have turds and piss running down your leg and you'll get all dribbly lipped about what I've got to say because odds on, Wilder will play the same shit and we'll end up getting trunked.

Again.

Just scroll past. Or put me on ignore. I challenge you. I dare you.

(he won't)

So when I put it up, just think, 'it's that fat know nowt pommpey and his shit take full of bollocks and swearwords and nicknames. I'm gonna stick another lovelorn paen to the membership of some forum on the internet to a failing Premier League outfit to demonstrate what a fucking giant Blade I am and how my love will never die for them, (sniff, boo-hoo) and pommpey is just a pigfan ... etc ... etc'

Just do that, have a coke and a smile and fuck off, eh?

pommpey

A badge kissing Baldey Blade??
Bladey.
Do you recall Bobo Balde, once of Celtic? In Portuguese it means Silly Bucket.

Regards
The Grammar police.

 

[pommpey]

A badge kissing Baldey Blade??
Bladey.
Do you recall Bobo Balde, once of Celtic? In Portuguese it means Silly Bucket.

Regards
The Grammar police.

'Kin ell mate

That was nearly eleven o'clock last night.

pommpey

 

[United Aren't Back.]

'Kin ell mate

That was nearly eleven o'clock last night.

pommpey

All in good fun and jest.

 

[gordoncharles]

However, making that decision was at the cost of having a team capable of retaining its PL status this season which is a far greater loss of revenue than the potential of selling Brewster for 40m in a few years

When you speak about Revenue you're only considering one side of the equation. Much larger revenue is nothing compared with even larger expenses and without substantial owner funding it isn't possible to spend more on players.

This is the desperate state of PL club accounts before Covid. Can you imagine what it's like now? Nobody was making a profit even in 2018/19.

 

[Eddie odd legs]

My team selection for Liverpool would be

------------------------------------------Ramsdale------------------------------------------

--Baldock-----------------Jagielka----------------------Bryan----------------------Lowe--

------------------------------------------Ampadu-------------------------------------------

---------------Bogle----------------------------------------------Osborn-------------------

----------------------------------------McGoldrick-----------------------------------------

--------------------------Burke---------------------------Brewster-------------------------

Basically giving the central two the chance to drop when we lose possession to for the 5-3-2, but move forward to make midfield passing opportunities.

Of course, we could bring Pubby on later and just aim it at the top of his melon, Sub Jags for Norwood and drop Ampadu back into the back four and go Wilderball.

And still lose.

But seriously, that formation would be a start, even if it played flatter or even in a 4-3-1-2.

We play a set strategy, which is the wide overload which hasn't worked since lockdown #1. The fallback is 'lump it to Pubster'. This is shitola too.

We don't overload the midfield and that is where we are getting reamed. The three we play there are still playing Championship style, formulaic nonsense and it's beatable, especially with the regressive skillsets they have. Norwood isn't a defensive midfielder, in fact I am not sure what he is apart from a just-capable distributer. He is crap in the tackle and can't challenge, his movement forward of the centre circle is full of risk. Let's say we replace him with a more capable ball winner and retainer in McGoldrick. Yeah, I know he's essentially a striker but he does have a lot better positional sense, is difficult to get the ball off and can win a tackle. And he can carry the ball. Outside of him you have two younger, attack minded defenders-cum-midfielders and reading Bogle and Osborn's game, they want it more and are hungrier to push on. They can also tackle better than Fleck and Lundstram. Behind them you have the regista in Ampadu, okay, not exactly Pirlo, but could grown into the role. And up front, pace. With Bogle, McGoldrick and Osborn facing forward and in their half, there are better opportunities for Buke and especially Brewster - who has a massive point to make in this match - to capitalise and grab his first goal. We do need to play down the middle though and get stuck in and win the ball in the centre, drive on and capitalise on half chances and long shots. Their keeper is good, but he can be a fuck up waiting to happen. That needs exploiting, preferably from distance. We don't do distance shots. Accurate, on target distance shots.

How do we cope with Firmino, Salah and co? Well, four teams have beaten them recently. There's plenty of evidence committed to video to study that. We just need to stop switching off when Liverpool are looking like they are about to score (like George Baldock didn't when he cleared off the line, last night, for example)

Not saying Liverpool are beatable, but they will be set up to beat us because they know we only play one or two set ways. Might be a good idea to change it.

pommpey

Thank you Pommpey.
Couldn't fault your team selection or the reason(s) for it. I think that the midfield has been the biggest disappointment this season. Norwood has deteriorated almost out of sight. Only at SUFC would a player whom has refused to sign a contract extension be selected to START every game. It's no good IMHO dissing the strikers when the service has been abysmal / non-existent. When the club was promoted CW said that he would pick players on performance / fitness etc. Significantly he also said that he was "loyal but not sentimental" (in answer to the question "would he retain players that had no Premiership experience & were of a doubtful standard for the higher division). I thought, at the time what a good answer that was & it boded well for the coming season. I wonder if CW ever thinks of that reply nowadays.
His disposal of the services of Duffy has come back to bite where it really hurts him (& every one else!) but only because he has not replaced him with a player with a similar skill set. I.E. some vision & the ability to beat a man.
It wouldn't be Sheffield United if we went straight on to consolidating a place in the Premiership - would it?? UTB