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Well, that was fun, wasn't it?

To be honest, the first forty minutes looked moderately promising, if we were hoping to draw or even maybe nick it with ....

No. Fuck it. Stop deluding yourself. We did okay, but there was more chance of sliding your fat one up the potato peeler of Ariane Grande than there was of us getting anything out of that game. If anything. West Ham were set up to pull us forward, like a boxer playing defensive and waiting for the small opportunity for his opponent to just drop his guard, open up a window, stick the chin out and then BANG, suddenly you're moving backwards toward the canvas. We actually (seemed) to look and kid ourselves we were going somewhere in the first forty minutes, but think about it ... what actually did we make Fabianski do apart from watch one of his defenders nod a Ner ... Nuw ... Ngggggn ... (fucking hell, help me here ... I can hardly say his name .... ) No .... r ... w-w-CUNT-oood breathes cross behind and flip a benign Osborn effort further wide. Billy was doing press ups and star jumps to keep warm while Didsy busied himself with the obstacle course every other player played him into with his 'me versus six WHU players' skit. We kept this up and because this season has so far been a cup of bubbling diahorrea, I think even me kidded by daft arsed self we might actually beat West Ham. It was like hoping that Covid 19 has been one nasty dream, that you'd wake up like Dan Ackyrod does in Trading Places in a clean, soft bed, the whole horror of being poor just last night's grim nightmare. Some players, like Osborn, Bash and Egan did put a shift in and Bogle was uncharacteristically quiet but did okay ... but Lun ... hup .... mmmmffft .'.... L - l - l-undssss ... tr ... him, yeh, him, was just fucking appallingly piss poor.

Truth is, we played 'okay' if just to delay the obvious and with Wilderball as it is, the more you pass it, the more empty chambers there are fired at in that revolver, the greater the chance that Ol ... lll ... humm breathes ... coughs ... Ollivv -FUCKER- Nwwww ... ' you know who I mean ... will make that killer pass that will kill us off. If I were Bash, at half time I'd have lapelled the fucker in the dressing room to the Geordie tune of 'How man. If yous fuckin' plaey a fuckin' hospitl baaal like that agean, man-woman-man, I'll fuckin' slice yas an' fuckn' dice yas. Yah coont. Canny?' because in honesty, it was fucking shite. It buried us, gave them the first goal and hobbled Bash with a yellow, which could have been a red. You could see it crushed any hope we had. That one pass. But it was coming.

Second half was no better, was it? One minute in and he finds a direct pass through the centre straight to a Hammers player, and he's not even under any pressure. Can people who in the past twelve months have given me neat shit for criticising this waster please step forward and explain why? Can you tell me what was so fucking mercurial about this player that Brighton and Fulham missed? Sorry 'Vicar' but, Jesus paragliding Christ. Poele on here extolled the richness of his mastery with his feet when he came. 'He'll change the game for us' they said. They were fucking right, you know. So Wilder's answer to that is to sub him off and bring McBurnie on (I'll use his real name because he get's cross with me if I say 'McPub') and goes all False Nine with him, which actually causes him never to get in the penalty area, much. Yeah, he headed it a lot (mainly to their players .... even his attempt on goal) and basically loped about looking for something to to whilst everyone bombarded him with clearances. Twenty million.

But it was obvious we'd succumb to goal two, and then the third as they simply 'took control' and managed us out of the game. If we were back in Division One and drew West Ham in the cup tonight and came away with a 0-3 defeat, I think we'd be pleased with the chaps for at least giving it a go. Yeah, we're shit, but we are Div One and they are Premier League and were bound to win. That is how it felt tonight.

Ramsdale 7.5: Not a bad game, really. Saved some decent 'saveable' efforts and only pushed one shot back out into danger. But that fucking dive for their second. Har-har-har! Brilliant.

Bogle 6.5/10: Kept deep until needed and did at least try his 'sneaks in at the back door' trick. Not bad when there's summat to get to. Pointless when everyone else is playing Wilderball.

Basham 6.5/10: usual, consistent stuff, driving on where he could but hopelessly played out for their first.

Egan 7/10: Some class interventions and interceptions. Looks like ankle ligaments, which is six weeks with a tailwind, downhill, farting, with wax on your runners. I expect him not to return this season and if anything, that plays into our hands and makes him less of a target for the transfer window.

Ampadu 6/10: Not a great game although he had his hands full covering for

Stevens 3.5/10: Looks like he is now in his testimonial year. What a massive shame. However, his limitations have always been there. I saw him two seasons ago done by a long ball vs Millwall at BDTBL much the same way Souffle did him tonight. Lucky with the VAR decision, but that is an indication as to how clumsy and industrial he has become.

Lundstram 1.1342/10: Cack. He knows he's shot his bolt now. Wilder brings Berge in, Lundstram shits his nappy and rubs it in his face and refuses to signa contract. United nosedive, any vestige of 'offers' piling in the JTW based on a very small purple patch last season never materialise. United continue to play crap so his limitations are further exposed (and fuck me, aren't there some?) and now he's playing for carrots. Tonight he was ineffective, piss poor and clueless.

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnn ... sigh ... him. Please Chris. Don't pick him again. Even if you play Moore, Brewster or Jags in the centre of the three next game, we'll understand. Honest we will.

Osborn 6.5/10: Worked hard in the first half to cause them some problems. As much as it was, 'Ooh, look at the little feller! Look at him run! Isn't he cute?' then he runs into Ndlovu Avenue (remember that, everyone?) which is basically a cul de sac of opposition players. Second half was just an instrument of Wilderball. CROSSS THE FUCKING THING, EH?

McGoldrick 8/10: The only player who seems to get it. If ever he gets injured, that's it. We may as well play the fucking academy team.

Sharp 5/10: As ever, Billy gets a low mark because Billy doesn't get anything to mark him for. I'd put 'poor kid', but he's 35.

McPubbie 4/10: Yeah, I'm being a disrespectful little no mark, keyboard warrior prick, but I have no idea what the fuck instructions he had and what system he was meant to play in. Lovely-lad Chabuddy says he's not a target man. I disagree. I'll give him some credit that he got a decent head to the ball for the rare cross that found him, but the rest of the time, what the fuck is he not doing mixing it up with the centre backs in the zone, for fuck's sake? If he has to pub it up and get muscular, make their fucking lives a misery on the penalty area, not (as I once saw him) being a link man between our 18 yard D and the centre circle. When he came on I was imagining the shit formation of him out wide left like at Southampton and him trying to be creative, rather than effective. This time he's outside the penalty area trying to make some sort of difference. Get in the fucking box, eh? Obviously, the problem with that is that we have to stop cocking about in the Wilderball areas waiting for that optimised chance to get that perfect cross in, fail and pass it back across the back and down the other flank and actually find McBurnie.

Jags 6.5/10: In the short amount of time on the pitch, slow as he is, he is still a decent defender with a good situational brain. He's gonna have to be now, because we are fast running out of centrebacks.

Wilder 4/10: He's run out of time and options now. I still don't want him gone though. But he has to look critically at our shortcomings now and start the mercy killings, change the system and recharge our belief. The season is over now, no matter what we do we are down and there's nowt stopping that. It's a massive shame for him that key positions and players have failed to deliver this season and our core side still looks and plays like his Division One champions. It is why we are where we are. We simply haven't adapted and regardless of last season (which in effect was only half a season) our true status was on show tonight in full (in)effect.

I'll just get myself comfy for the usual, predictable fusillade of deniers, trolls, WUMs and people who can't debate. I can't help your disappointment. You have to deal with that yourself.

pommpey
8 for mcoldrick!!! He missed 2 absolute sitters , free headers straight at keeper , then had another effort he should have hit first time, I know he's a lot of people's favourite as he links play well, but Jesus Christ the chances he misses
 

My take on your take: It really says a lot if even I cannot find much fault with either content or delivery. Tonight - while not even our worst horror show this season - was soul-sapping to the extreme. I often look for middle ground or enjoy the funny little things even in adversity or depression. No crumbs of comfort there. The cliched template overplayed, at last.

Today - down to a T - was our season rolled into 90 minutes. In ten years time, you won't have to direct youngsters to a season highlight reel. You can say "oh, 2020/2021? Watch West Ham against the Blades..." Then you avert your eyes.

A nothing match in an empty, even more soulless than usual City of London Stadium against a team we were supposed to at least have some sort of history or needle with. And then a succession of literally every hallmark of this season from hell.

As I often slate Pommpey for exaggeration or looking for the minutiae of negativity, let's start the run-down on the positive bits:

Overall, any other team in the past ten Premier League seasons undeniably scores at least two from those chances. Without being dominant or overly creative, Didzy had two header he simply has to put away. Then there is the McBurnie chance that he does reasonably okay with and the early one that Didzy dangled a leg at when maybe a header would have done the trick.

If missing sitters is a positive, you know where this is going next. :oops:

Turn a low to medium intensity match into a relatively closely run contest for long stretches, tick.

Concede from a pass you'd instantly sub your kid for to enroll him down at the local tennis club, tick.

The unchallenged header from a corner, tick.

A season-ending injury to one of the few players that deserve a clean bill of health for their efforts, tick.

Players we actually used to whole-heartedly love suddenly playing and looking like dregs that nick food from the Tesco's bins at 1.30 a.m., tick.

And, worst of all, John Lundstram ambling over on 94 minutes with his "ooh, there's a bit of noise out in the back near the Tesco's bin" look to see what caused all the commotion, safely behind the fence in case he breaks a toe-nail as the final lingering impression of our season.

Now. It was that bad.

But...

These are fourth or fifth in the Prem now. Everton are thereabouts as well. What really broke my normally unquenchable spirit and love for this club - and I was there when the moron element tried to steal the pitch covers at Rochdale and none of our players ventured near the touchline for the past twenty minutes, allowing a no-mark like Grant Holt the freedom of the park to take the piss at keepy-uppies and did not suffer a comparable deep sense of displacement - is how little is needed to actually be comfortable in this league.

Yes, they pay better wages and of course have far superior players and set-ups. But they do not have to do that much to drift to nondescript wins in what now has become a nondescript sport. We look hopelessly out of sorts, yet regularly could draw against teams who are supposedly on the up (if only we could do basics and avoid those "go, son, play tennis instead" moments).

Until you realize that the Championship also no longer will be anything like we remember it that May day against Ipswich. Nor the pubs or the celebratory night-life.

Mentally, I think I have done well in the lock-down so far - by and large - but tonight really brought it home that the football life I grew up with and love, something that has always felt as unquestioningly eternal, normal and fun, like maybe food and air, or music and nature, has probably changed for good. Today felt like that loss of historic continuity finally hit home to me.

In that sense, the game not only symbolizes our season, but maybe football as a whole?

Cue Rio Ferdinand trying to sell us how West Ham have this year taken the first step and must now improve again to solidify in those top-six positions for seasons to come. In an obvious air of excitement designed to fool ... exactly who?

Grim, grim, grim....

PS: Time for famous last words tonight, my dear naval sparring partner, spoken with gravitas in our new-found spirit of mutual respect... 😝

In this sanitized new world without ad hominem attacks on "My Take", with no swearing today, or the casting of aspersions, this fixture more than any other brings out the best in the forum. So I shall leave you with Foxy's finest function and a hearty shout of "cunt" to someone we all can agree on...

:fattwat:
 
Well, that was fun, wasn't it?

To be honest, the first forty minutes looked moderately promising, if we were hoping to draw or even maybe nick it with ....

No. Fuck it. Stop deluding yourself. We did okay, but there was more chance of sliding your fat one up the potato peeler of Ariane Grande than there was of us getting anything out of that game. If anything. West Ham were set up to pull us forward, like a boxer playing defensive and waiting for the small opportunity for his opponent to just drop his guard, open up a window, stick the chin out and then BANG, suddenly you're moving backwards toward the canvas. We actually (seemed) to look and kid ourselves we were going somewhere in the first forty minutes, but think about it ... what actually did we make Fabianski do apart from watch one of his defenders nod a Ner ... Nuw ... Ngggggn ... (fucking hell, help me here ... I can hardly say his name .... ) No .... r ... w-w-CUNT-oood breathes cross behind and flip a benign Osborn effort further wide. Billy was doing press ups and star jumps to keep warm while Didsy busied himself with the obstacle course every other player played him into with his 'me versus six WHU players' skit. We kept this up and because this season has so far been a cup of bubbling diahorrea, I think even me kidded by daft arsed self we might actually beat West Ham. It was like hoping that Covid 19 has been one nasty dream, that you'd wake up like Dan Ackyrod does in Trading Places in a clean, soft bed, the whole horror of being poor just last night's grim nightmare. Some players, like Osborn, Bash and Egan did put a shift in and Bogle was uncharacteristically quiet but did okay ... but Lun ... hup .... mmmmffft .'.... L - l - l-undssss ... tr ... him, yeh, him, was just fucking appallingly piss poor.

Truth is, we played 'okay' if just to delay the obvious and with Wilderball as it is, the more you pass it, the more empty chambers there are fired at in that revolver, the greater the chance that Ol ... lll ... humm breathes ... coughs ... Ollivv -FUCKER- Nwwww ... ' you know who I mean ... will make that killer pass that will kill us off. If I were Bash, at half time I'd have lapelled the fucker in the dressing room to the Geordie tune of 'How man. If yous fuckin' plaey a fuckin' hospitl baaal like that agean, man-woman-man, I'll fuckin' slice yas an' fuckn' dice yas. Yah coont. Canny?' because in honesty, it was fucking shite. It buried us, gave them the first goal and hobbled Bash with a yellow, which could have been a red. You could see it crushed any hope we had. That one pass. But it was coming.

Second half was no better, was it? One minute in and he finds a direct pass through the centre straight to a Hammers player, and he's not even under any pressure. Can people who in the past twelve months have given me neat shit for criticising this waster please step forward and explain why? Can you tell me what was so fucking mercurial about this player that Brighton and Fulham missed? Sorry 'Vicar' but, Jesus paragliding Christ. Poele on here extolled the richness of his mastery with his feet when he came. 'He'll change the game for us' they said. They were fucking right, you know. So Wilder's answer to that is to sub him off and bring McBurnie on (I'll use his real name because he get's cross with me if I say 'McPub') and goes all False Nine with him, which actually causes him never to get in the penalty area, much. Yeah, he headed it a lot (mainly to their players .... even his attempt on goal) and basically loped about looking for something to to whilst everyone bombarded him with clearances. Twenty million.

But it was obvious we'd succumb to goal two, and then the third as they simply 'took control' and managed us out of the game. If we were back in Division One and drew West Ham in the cup tonight and came away with a 0-3 defeat, I think we'd be pleased with the chaps for at least giving it a go. Yeah, we're shit, but we are Div One and they are Premier League and were bound to win. That is how it felt tonight.

Ramsdale 7.5: Not a bad game, really. Saved some decent 'saveable' efforts and only pushed one shot back out into danger. But that fucking dive for their second. Har-har-har! Brilliant.

Bogle 6.5/10: Kept deep until needed and did at least try his 'sneaks in at the back door' trick. Not bad when there's summat to get to. Pointless when everyone else is playing Wilderball.

Basham 6.5/10: usual, consistent stuff, driving on where he could but hopelessly played out for their first.

Egan 7/10: Some class interventions and interceptions. Looks like ankle ligaments, which is six weeks with a tailwind, downhill, farting, with wax on your runners. I expect him not to return this season and if anything, that plays into our hands and makes him less of a target for the transfer window.

Ampadu 6/10: Not a great game although he had his hands full covering for

Stevens 3.5/10: Looks like he is now in his testimonial year. What a massive shame. However, his limitations have always been there. I saw him two seasons ago done by a long ball vs Millwall at BDTBL much the same way Souffle did him tonight. Lucky with the VAR decision, but that is an indication as to how clumsy and industrial he has become.

Lundstram 1.1342/10: Cack. He knows he's shot his bolt now. Wilder brings Berge in, Lundstram shits his nappy and rubs it in his face and refuses to signa contract. United nosedive, any vestige of 'offers' piling in the JTW based on a very small purple patch last season never materialise. United continue to play crap so his limitations are further exposed (and fuck me, aren't there some?) and now he's playing for carrots. Tonight he was ineffective, piss poor and clueless.

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnn ... sigh ... him. Please Chris. Don't pick him again. Even if you play Moore, Brewster or Jags in the centre of the three next game, we'll understand. Honest we will.

Osborn 6.5/10: Worked hard in the first half to cause them some problems. As much as it was, 'Ooh, look at the little feller! Look at him run! Isn't he cute?' then he runs into Ndlovu Avenue (remember that, everyone?) which is basically a cul de sac of opposition players. Second half was just an instrument of Wilderball. CROSSS THE FUCKING THING, EH?

McGoldrick 8/10: The only player who seems to get it. If ever he gets injured, that's it. We may as well play the fucking academy team.

Sharp 5/10: As ever, Billy gets a low mark because Billy doesn't get anything to mark him for. I'd put 'poor kid', but he's 35.

McPubbie 4/10: Yeah, I'm being a disrespectful little no mark, keyboard warrior prick, but I have no idea what the fuck instructions he had and what system he was meant to play in. Lovely-lad Chabuddy says he's not a target man. I disagree. I'll give him some credit that he got a decent head to the ball for the rare cross that found him, but the rest of the time, what the fuck is he not doing mixing it up with the centre backs in the zone, for fuck's sake? If he has to pub it up and get muscular, make their fucking lives a misery on the penalty area, not (as I once saw him) being a link man between our 18 yard D and the centre circle. When he came on I was imagining the shit formation of him out wide left like at Southampton and him trying to be creative, rather than effective. This time he's outside the penalty area trying to make some sort of difference. Get in the fucking box, eh? Obviously, the problem with that is that we have to stop cocking about in the Wilderball areas waiting for that optimised chance to get that perfect cross in, fail and pass it back across the back and down the other flank and actually find McBurnie.

Jags 6.5/10: In the short amount of time on the pitch, slow as he is, he is still a decent defender with a good situational brain. He's gonna have to be now, because we are fast running out of centrebacks.

Wilder 4/10: He's run out of time and options now. I still don't want him gone though. But he has to look critically at our shortcomings now and start the mercy killings, change the system and recharge our belief. The season is over now, no matter what we do we are down and there's nowt stopping that. It's a massive shame for him that key positions and players have failed to deliver this season and our core side still looks and plays like his Division One champions. It is why we are where we are. We simply haven't adapted and regardless of last season (which in effect was only half a season) our true status was on show tonight in full (in)effect.

I'll just get myself comfy for the usual, predictable fusillade of deniers, trolls, WUMs and people who can't debate. I can't help your disappointment. You have to deal with that yourself.

pommpey
You forgot to rate Norwood. 😉
 
Well , well , well
Pommpey , almost in 100% agreement with your post
We have to ( unfortunately) run our club like a business , the players that have bought us so much joy and excitement in the last 4 years need to be thanked for their service and waved goodbye,
Enda , Oliver Norwood, Lundstram, Billy ,
also Rodwell , Robinson, KB , Fodders , need to be let go
We need to start preparing for next season, thankfully , for us JOC and Egan’s injuries may limit people’s interest in them
Berge is another one who could go , also Baldock
I was so impressed with Norwood in our 2 seasons in the championship and couldn’t believe we’d got such a ball player , this season has been a disaster for him and is dragging down his good performances for us with diabolical passing and performances, although the signs have been their , the game v WBA at home in the championship his blind passing was on view then , his nesh tackling from Southampton last season at home , too West Ham last night
Lundstram, 6 good months in his time here , you wouldn’t sign your contract and his form has fallen off the same cliffe as Norwoods and now people have seen through your mediocre ability
Enda , unfortunately ( and I’ve seen him playing for Ireland) he misses JOC big time , and his confidence like the rest of the team looks shot
If McBurnie had been in the box for Diddzys second headed chance , maybe he could have got more power and direction behind it ,
He was about as effective in midfield as Norwood,
Our play is slow , slow , too fucking slow
We’re going down but go down with a fight and some balls , and give us fans of you and our team something to shout about
I think we can have 5 loans next season ( I stand to be corrected)
I think Ampadu has come on leaps and bounds the last couple of weeks and wouldn’t mind taking him next season if he becomes available wants to come back
If I was to go out and buy a striker
I’d go for that ex pig at Reading 20 million should do it
 
Well, that was fun, wasn't it?

To be honest, the first forty minutes looked moderately promising, if we were hoping to draw or even maybe nick it with ....

No. Fuck it. Stop deluding yourself. We did okay, but there was more chance of sliding your fat one up the potato peeler of Ariane Grande than there was of us getting anything out of that game. If anything. West Ham were set up to pull us forward, like a boxer playing defensive and waiting for the small opportunity for his opponent to just drop his guard, open up a window, stick the chin out and then BANG, suddenly you're moving backwards toward the canvas. We actually (seemed) to look and kid ourselves we were going somewhere in the first forty minutes, but think about it ... what actually did we make Fabianski do apart from watch one of his defenders nod a Ner ... Nuw ... Ngggggn ... (fucking hell, help me here ... I can hardly say his name .... ) No .... r ... w-w-CUNT-oood breathes cross behind and flip a benign Osborn effort further wide. Billy was doing press ups and star jumps to keep warm while Didsy busied himself with the obstacle course every other player played him into with his 'me versus six WHU players' skit. We kept this up and because this season has so far been a cup of bubbling diahorrea, I think even me kidded by daft arsed self we might actually beat West Ham. It was like hoping that Covid 19 has been one nasty dream, that you'd wake up like Dan Ackyrod does in Trading Places in a clean, soft bed, the whole horror of being poor just last night's grim nightmare. Some players, like Osborn, Bash and Egan did put a shift in and Bogle was uncharacteristically quiet but did okay ... but Lun ... hup .... mmmmffft .'.... L - l - l-undssss ... tr ... him, yeh, him, was just fucking appallingly piss poor.

Truth is, we played 'okay' if just to delay the obvious and with Wilderball as it is, the more you pass it, the more empty chambers there are fired at in that revolver, the greater the chance that Ol ... lll ... humm breathes ... coughs ... Ollivv -FUCKER- Nwwww ... ' you know who I mean ... will make that killer pass that will kill us off. If I were Bash, at half time I'd have lapelled the fucker in the dressing room to the Geordie tune of 'How man. If yous fuckin' plaey a fuckin' hospitl baaal like that agean, man-woman-man, I'll fuckin' slice yas an' fuckn' dice yas. Yah coont. Canny?' because in honesty, it was fucking shite. It buried us, gave them the first goal and hobbled Bash with a yellow, which could have been a red. You could see it crushed any hope we had. That one pass. But it was coming.

Second half was no better, was it? One minute in and he finds a direct pass through the centre straight to a Hammers player, and he's not even under any pressure. Can people who in the past twelve months have given me neat shit for criticising this waster please step forward and explain why? Can you tell me what was so fucking mercurial about this player that Brighton and Fulham missed? Sorry 'Vicar' but, Jesus paragliding Christ. Poele on here extolled the richness of his mastery with his feet when he came. 'He'll change the game for us' they said. They were fucking right, you know. So Wilder's answer to that is to sub him off and bring McBurnie on (I'll use his real name because he get's cross with me if I say 'McPub') and goes all False Nine with him, which actually causes him never to get in the penalty area, much. Yeah, he headed it a lot (mainly to their players .... even his attempt on goal) and basically loped about looking for something to to whilst everyone bombarded him with clearances. Twenty million.

But it was obvious we'd succumb to goal two, and then the third as they simply 'took control' and managed us out of the game. If we were back in Division One and drew West Ham in the cup tonight and came away with a 0-3 defeat, I think we'd be pleased with the chaps for at least giving it a go. Yeah, we're shit, but we are Div One and they are Premier League and were bound to win. That is how it felt tonight.

Ramsdale 7.5: Not a bad game, really. Saved some decent 'saveable' efforts and only pushed one shot back out into danger. But that fucking dive for their second. Har-har-har! Brilliant.

Bogle 6.5/10: Kept deep until needed and did at least try his 'sneaks in at the back door' trick. Not bad when there's summat to get to. Pointless when everyone else is playing Wilderball.

Basham 6.5/10: usual, consistent stuff, driving on where he could but hopelessly played out for their first.

Egan 7/10: Some class interventions and interceptions. Looks like ankle ligaments, which is six weeks with a tailwind, downhill, farting, with wax on your runners. I expect him not to return this season and if anything, that plays into our hands and makes him less of a target for the transfer window.

Ampadu 6/10: Not a great game although he had his hands full covering for

Stevens 3.5/10: Looks like he is now in his testimonial year. What a massive shame. However, his limitations have always been there. I saw him two seasons ago done by a long ball vs Millwall at BDTBL much the same way Souffle did him tonight. Lucky with the VAR decision, but that is an indication as to how clumsy and industrial he has become.

Lundstram 1.1342/10: Cack. He knows he's shot his bolt now. Wilder brings Berge in, Lundstram shits his nappy and rubs it in his face and refuses to signa contract. United nosedive, any vestige of 'offers' piling in the JTW based on a very small purple patch last season never materialise. United continue to play crap so his limitations are further exposed (and fuck me, aren't there some?) and now he's playing for carrots. Tonight he was ineffective, piss poor and clueless.

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnn ... sigh ... him. Please Chris. Don't pick him again. Even if you play Moore, Brewster or Jags in the centre of the three next game, we'll understand. Honest we will.

Osborn 6.5/10: Worked hard in the first half to cause them some problems. As much as it was, 'Ooh, look at the little feller! Look at him run! Isn't he cute?' then he runs into Ndlovu Avenue (remember that, everyone?) which is basically a cul de sac of opposition players. Second half was just an instrument of Wilderball. CROSSS THE FUCKING THING, EH?

McGoldrick 8/10: The only player who seems to get it. If ever he gets injured, that's it. We may as well play the fucking academy team.

Sharp 5/10: As ever, Billy gets a low mark because Billy doesn't get anything to mark him for. I'd put 'poor kid', but he's 35.

McPubbie 4/10: Yeah, I'm being a disrespectful little no mark, keyboard warrior prick, but I have no idea what the fuck instructions he had and what system he was meant to play in. Lovely-lad Chabuddy says he's not a target man. I disagree. I'll give him some credit that he got a decent head to the ball for the rare cross that found him, but the rest of the time, what the fuck is he not doing mixing it up with the centre backs in the zone, for fuck's sake? If he has to pub it up and get muscular, make their fucking lives a misery on the penalty area, not (as I once saw him) being a link man between our 18 yard D and the centre circle. When he came on I was imagining the shit formation of him out wide left like at Southampton and him trying to be creative, rather than effective. This time he's outside the penalty area trying to make some sort of difference. Get in the fucking box, eh? Obviously, the problem with that is that we have to stop cocking about in the Wilderball areas waiting for that optimised chance to get that perfect cross in, fail and pass it back across the back and down the other flank and actually find McBurnie.

Jags 6.5/10: In the short amount of time on the pitch, slow as he is, he is still a decent defender with a good situational brain. He's gonna have to be now, because we are fast running out of centrebacks.

Wilder 4/10: He's run out of time and options now. I still don't want him gone though. But he has to look critically at our shortcomings now and start the mercy killings, change the system and recharge our belief. The season is over now, no matter what we do we are down and there's nowt stopping that. It's a massive shame for him that key positions and players have failed to deliver this season and our core side still looks and plays like his Division One champions. It is why we are where we are. We simply haven't adapted and regardless of last season (which in effect was only half a season) our true status was on show tonight in full (in)effect.

I'll just get myself comfy for the usual, predictable fusillade of deniers, trolls, WUMs and people who can't debate. I can't help your disappointment. You have to deal with that yourself.

pommpey
Agree with most of that .
But West ham did not draw us in
Like most they waited for Norwoods killer reverse pass that immediately turns a United advance into a 4 against 2 for west ham. Thought West Ham looked clueless until Norwoods freindly fire incident
We weren't great but were thre better side with only our inability to shoot holding us back
Put in the kids . Got to be better
 
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West Ham played us to a tea, just like Palace did last month.
Sit back and happy to concede some possession, we don’t score and have no pace or creativity
Wait for a gift from midfield, usually Norwood to play us in and one of our pacy, skilful forwards will run straight through us and score
Wait for a corner, aim for the far post, easy goal, no problem
Then game manager us for the next 45 minutes, save our legs, there is another game in s few days
 
Agree with most of that .
But West ham did not draw us in
Like most they waited for Norwoods killer reverse pass that immediately turns a United advance into a 4 against 2 for west ham. Thought West Ham looked clueless until Norwoods freindly fire incident
We weren't great but were thre better side with only our inability to shoot holding us back
Put in the kids . Got to be better

I think they did.

It's refreshing to see (but as with everything now with our club, somewhat tragic) that 'the sound of inevitability' is screaming down the tunnel at the club. Even life's eternal optimist such as you - a few short days ago attesting we can escape relegation when it's been plainly obvious that since the end of November, we are flat on our back, tits skyward - finally admitting our fate. Putting the kids in? Good idea, but the Premier League can be pretty savage to that level of rawness and footballing immaturity.

We now need to go bus-parky with 5-4-1 and concede as few as possible with the residual experience we have. These next games will be an even slower decline in interest and input. If we get one more point it will be construed as an improvement. One thing is certain, Norwood, Stevens and Lundstram should never play again save for coming off the bench for an injured player. All three should be put out to pasture and given away to Div One sides in the summer to eke out the rest of their careers and restore some footballing dignity.

pommpey
 
West Ham played us to a tea, just like Palace did last month.
Sit back and happy to concede some possession, we don’t score and have no pace or creativity
Wait for a gift from midfield, usually Norwood to play us in and one of our pacy, skilful forwards will run straight through us and score
Wait for a corner, aim for the far post, easy goal, no problem
Then game manager us for the next 45 minutes, save our legs, there is another game in s few days
Let's face it, for any half decent EPL team we're a doddle to play against and beat!
We offer no real threat, any attack soon dissolves into a pass the ball around the box, leaving the opposition plenty of time to get 10 men in defence, before either being given away or passed back to the keeper (theirs and ours), our strikers can't even hit the target, and our overall play is pedestrian to say the least and don't even get me started on Norwood or his midfield replacement McBurnie!!!!
Wilders tactics have become so transparent that it doesn't take a tactical genius to see through it and the skill level of our players is so below the standard required at this level most EPL teams could put their second string out against us and win!
 
Well what a crock of shit that was! No fight, no spirit, no dogged determination to beat the opponent into submission. And that's just this thread....... the game was even more of a disappointment 😜
 
Sit back and happy to concede some possession, we don’t score and have no pace or creativity
Wait for a gift from midfield, usually Norwood to play us in and one of our pacy, skilful forwards will run straight through us and score
Wait for a corner, aim for the far post, easy goal, no problem
Then game manager us for the next 45 minutes, save our legs, there is another game in s few days
This is the match report for the Fulham game before we even play. They will concede possession and pick us off with pace. Fulham, that's Fulham, yes Fulham. A much better and more attacking side than we are.
 
Enda had been rubbish ever since he got his new contract. Injuries have killed us. Norwood wouldn’t get anywhere near this team if Berge was fit. Wilder can’t wait to get him off and even criticised him by name in post match. Sad to see a players form go off so badly but I expect on 20 k a week he can live with it.
 

An enjoyable read as usual pommpey
Much to agree with and much to amuse.

I go against what seems to be a majority view to some extent though, in that I thought we enjoyed some decent spells of possession moved forward positively in spells and created some chances. Albeit no where near as many as we should / could have.

If didsy could place his headers away from the keeper then we could easily have had a couple of goals. I know, I know- if my auntie had a dick...etc

People talk about West Ham not getting out of second gear- Fine as an analogy, but that’s not a real tangible thing. You could argue that they didn’t play all that well because we didn’t allow them to. Until we self destructed.

Not for one minute saying we were good, that the midfield wasn’t poor, that we weren’t undone yet again by defensive gaffes. Just that on another day, another season in a parallel universe where we actually get the rub of the green once in a while we may have got something from that game.
 
Ramsdale 7

Ampadu 5
Egan 6
Bash 6

Stevens 2
Bogle 5

Osborn 6
Norwood 2
Lunny 1

Sharp 6
Didsy 5

Mcburnie 3
Jags 4

Wilder 2

View from the rockpool

Ramsdale 7 - Didn't do a lot wrong but looked like he changed his mind for their 2nd, his foot movement was all over the page, and that dive was the dive of someone who doesn't regularly play in goal. Other than that he made some good saves.

Ampadu 5 - not up to his recent standards

Egan 6 - Did nothing really wrong but is a better player with JOC at the side of him, looks a nasty injury. GLTTL

Bash 6 - Legend to me, but below his usual standard and absolutely hare brained Sunday morning challenge for the penalty

Stevens 1 - Someone must have kidnapped Enda before the game and replaced him with the first person they found, in this case the guy who cleans the shitters at the stadium. He's a better player than this, he's shown it often enough. Where are you Enda, what the fuck man?

Bogle 5 - Set a fairly high standard lately, looks a player. Tonight he was like the last KFC I had, bang average.

Osborn 7 - Started like the most headless of headless Chickens, but improved, did some good work.

Norwood 2 - Ok, it seems like two bog cleaners were kidnapped tonight, good job the stadium was quiet as it would have stunk almost as much as his performance. Sadly it's becoming patently obvious why Fulham and Brighton bombed him.

Lundstram 1 - Don't know the details behind all the contract bollocks, frankly I don't care. It's like watching a broken relationship and he is already halfway out the door. Just close it and leave John, we'll survive without you.

Sharp 6.5 - Gives a shit, you'll always get the best Billy has, just wasn't really happening for him. Superb ball to Didzy though. Watch the fouls though Bill, I saw the sneaky one on Fabianski

Didzy 7 - I so wanted to give him an 8, and if he could finish better would have been a 9

McBurniie 5 - Confused about what sort of position we were playing him, seemed very deep?

Jags 4 - love the guy and feel shit giving him this low mark, but he was slow for the 3rd goal for me

Wilder 2 - I'm not in the Wilder out camp, I think it's too much of a CW team for anyone else to come in and make a difference without significant investment, both in terms of paying off some of the poorer players, and replacing them. He's either lost the plot, or the dressing room.

Most of these players will move on to other things. you don't get to do that as a supporter. You enjoy the good times when they come, and you feel the pain when things start to go wrong. And just lately, it's fucking painful.

We're going down. As highly paid as they are, do the players really want to be remembered as being the worst team in Premier League history? Do they want Sky Sports News rocking up in 10/15 years time with a where are they now when some other poor fuckers struggle like us?

Or we can leave through the front door, heads up, chests out.

Fucks sake.............
 
So far I 've red all of but not commented on Pommpeys My Take s.
Two words for this one.

Spot on.

Can't disagree with a word.

Not sure if I can face watching another match this season.
 
Enda had been rubbish ever since he got his new contract. Injuries have killed us. Norwood wouldn’t get anywhere near this team if Berge was fit. Wilder can’t wait to get him off and even criticised him by name in post match. Sad to see a players form go off so badly but I expect on 20 k a week he can live with it.
It was telling that he named Norwood in his post match. I’ve picked up from the sidelines that he seems to always be on at him as well. Not unjustified this season unfortunately, he’s been rubbish apart from the odd game.
 
Pompey, I don’t enjoy reading your posts.....your industrial language is not for me , however........
I’ve not been on here that much this season. I’ve watched United enough years to have watched some good teams some bad teams and some really really bad teams. It’s the joy of being a Sheffield United supporter. We grab at crumbs where we can.

Anyway, back to your post.

I actually found myself musing.....what has Pompey said this time.....and I read it....and I agree with most of what you have said. You have said it as I saw it. Amazing.....

Still as a Blade, it’s hard again to be failing.....and quite spectacularly at the moment.
I like Chris, he is an honest, what you see is what you get sort of person. He’ll be hurting as I’m sure will the players, most of them having overperformed last season massively.

we go again .....perhaps not onwards and upwards as we have done the last few seasons, but at least it’s not boring being a Blade.

Keep up the good work Pompey.....
 
Well I think everyone is in agreement with Pommpey's "take" this week. We don't all agree with the scores given out, but the overall description of the game seems to be universally followed up by the words, "spot on".

The first half hour or so of the game, we actually looked ok and to be fair, West Ham never looked "great" all game, they were just better than us at the basics.

Lingard was a threat all night and no one was going to save that penalty. The final goal, though, come on lads, have some pride ffs........

Like most of us, I am baffled by the huge drop-off in form, of some of our players this season, but especially the midfield. The game slowed down every time Lunny got the ball, and his continual starting pick for us is hard to fathom. Fleck has had a couple of good games all season, but often looks as half-hearted as Lundstram. Norwood and Enda seem to have dropped off a cliff, in terms of ability.

Injuries have, and continue to, taken a toll on the team, Egan being stretchered off last night was particularly hard to watch, because the lad is an honest grafter who gives his all every week.

Bogle had a below-par game last night, but he has done enough so far this season to have a let-off for that.

Ramsdale was actually ok, for the most part.

Bash tried getting forward, as always, and didn't have much option than to foul in the box. Billy always puts a shift in and wears his heart on his sleeve, David McG is like a one man team, doing almost everything.

But, it must be so easy playing against us, because we have gone from being "unpredictable Sheffield United with their crazy overlapping centre backs and full backs", to predictable Sheffield United, who pump the ball out wide at every given opportunity, and never seem to steam straight down the middle toward the box. Every team is faster than us and every team is fitter than us, so when we get the ball and pump it out wide, into the corners, they just all run back and pack out the box and defend, and when the ball gets cleared, just run out and back to position, ready to run past Blades players.

So, planning for for next season, Ramsdale is here to stay (at that price) and a fit Egan, JOC and Bash (praying for one more season for Bash, who is not getting any younger) would be a good starting point.

Fleck and Norwood are both 30 this year, so is Jack Rodwell, Enda is 31 this year, Bash will be 33, Didsy will be 34, Billy is 35, and Jags will (incredibly) be 39 in Summer.

Even lads who I think of as "younger", aren't really, in footballing terms, Luke Freeman will be 29 this year Jack Robinson will be 28.

I know that no two players are alike and some seem to age quicker than others and some are evergreens, but we seem to be unbalanced in the youth vs experience stakes.

I think we will have an interesting summer, one way or another.
 
I watched 10 mins on the Virginbet app and noticed straight away our way of play. Forward side,side,side,back,punt up,Hammers play forward,forward,forward. We get it back. Rinse and repeat.
 
The thing I find hard to take is West Ham really didn't need to do anything out of the ordinary to get a very comfortable 3-0 win. We are talking of a West Ham side without a few key players and not in exactly sparkling form.
I can see where people saying we played ok are coming from but we did so without ever putting West Ham under pressure. The amount of times we got behind them down the channels but then stopped rather than whip an early ball across the penalty area was unbelievable. By the time 30mins had clocked up you could see we had run out of steam and/or ideas. For most of the rest of the game we were playing that game the over 60's play what is it called walking football? yeah we were that slow.

Maybe it is a good thing that fans aren't allowed in the stadiums or this seasons walk of shame would put the Adkins walk of shame ............................ well to shame. I can accept us being beaten by better players and teams but when our players don't put 100% effort in it is not acceptable and last night they didn't far from it. At least make the other team work hard for their win and show a bit of pride.
 
The amount of times we got behind them down the channels but then stopped rather than whip an early ball across the penalty area was unbelievable. By the time 30mins had clocked up you could see we had run out of steam and/or ideas. For most of the rest of the game we were playing that game the over 60's play what is it called walking football? yeah we were that slow.

You're describing 'Wilderball'.

It's the only way they know how to play (unless we are down to ten at Brighton, of course)

pommpey
 
My personal highlight was Basham pinning Norwood to the dressing room wall.

Take a bow pommpey

I can just imagine Basham, who normally looks unflappable and unbreakable, just stepping into the dressing room and dropping the 'affable pro: Chris Basham' and and hoisting Norwood up grabbing shirt and chest hair alike and issuing a pretty pointed threat his way.

As soon as Norwood played that forward pass to a claret shirt in the second minute of the second half, Knill leaning across to Wilder and behind a cupped hand saying 'We'd best get him off.' Then when he trudged off, Wilder saying, "Well done Ollie. Not your game, lad. Chin up. Go get a shower, get changed and go get the bus before full time and Basham hunts you down and buries his right foot up to his knee in your arse, and four of us have to physically pull you off his leg!"

pommpey
 

Surprised you seem to rate Diddsy so high, can't fault his work rate but many of his decisions around the box are the wrong ones, also didn't take chances well.

Wasn't expecting it but Ramsdale looked solid and had no chance with any of the goals. Until the pen thought we were the better team, then started the second half well until the 2nd goal.

We miss big Jack more on set pieces than we do going forward :(
 

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