Let's not lose sight of the fact

[Bladeinleeds]

I just want us to compete.

We are down - may as well accept that. But I don’t want to be embarrassed every game and score a goal every 2.5 games - be nice to actual make a fist of this competition.

Our ‘rivals’ are growing into the league and getting better. We are getting worse.
wba drew with city. Burnley beat arsenal and Fulham drew with Liverpool. We are about to get twatted by Man U.

 

[blade too long]

1.5 points per game .last seasons form 26 games left equals 39 points plus the 1 we've got so 40 points
All we have to do is find what we had


The prem table is incredible 5 points cover 1st to 10th spot tonight

 

[Houston_Blade]

1.5 points per game .last seasons form 26 games left equals 39 points plus the 1 we've got so 40 points
All we have to do is find what we had


The prem table is incredible 5 points cover 1st to 10th spot tonight

By your own admission last season's results have no bearing on this season, so why is not ok to count the 3 games that we lost at the end of the season in our winless run but you hark back to our form from last season when it suits you? If the last few results of last season are irrelevant then how is the form for the entirety of the season relevant?

I dont see how last season has any bearing on our aim to finish 17th this season
The last few results of last season are irrelevant

Current form is 1 point from 15 games (12 games if you go back to the 'last season doesn't count' mantra). What suggests that we will go back to getting 1.5 ppg anytime soon?

 

[blade too long]

By your own admission last season's results have no bearing on this season, so why is not ok to count the 3 games that we lost at the end of the season in our winless run but you hark back to our form from last season when it suits you? If the last few results of last season are irrelevant then how is the form for the entirety of the season relevant?



Current form is 1 point from 15 games (12 games if you go back to the 'last season doesn't count' mantra). What suggests that we will go back to getting 1.5 ppg anytime soon?

Its all about belief
We know they can do it ..as they did it
You don't get 56 points in the prem through luck

1 win could turn it round . Restore the belief

I said adding last season's last 4 to this is irrelevant. Has it has no bearing on our battle. It's not like getting docked points

If you feel happy giving up on your team at the earliest opportunity go for it

I will support us till the maths say otherwise

 

[Houston_Blade]

Its all about belief
We know they can do it ..as they did it
You don't get 56 points in the prem through luck

1 win could turn it round . Restore the belief

I said adding last season's last 4 to this is irrelevant. Has it has no bearing on our battle. It's not like getting docked points

If you feel happy giving up on your team at the earliest opportunity go for it

I will support us till the maths say otherwise

We've established that you won't give up and I already have.

I'm just pointing out your double standards around whether we can count last season or not.

If we forget about all the games we've lost or drawn ever then I'm confident we can win all the rest.

 

[blade too long]

We've established that you won't give up and I already have.

I'm just pointing out your double standards around whether we can count last season or not.

If we forget about all the games we've lost or drawn ever then I'm confident we can win all the rest.

Results and form are variable
Yes weve had a run of poor results
But our form hasn't always been poor
Finishing has the key
We went from a reasonable conversion rate to nearly nil
It can be addressed and just matching last season's levels of finishing can get us out of this malaise

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

just matching last season's levels of finishing can get us out of this malaise

It won't because our defence is a lot worse than last season.

 

[blade too long]

It won't because our defence is a lot worse than last season.

No it's not .
It's losing goals to personal error
We are shipping in 1 or 2 in 10 of the games.only 1 in half the games
We are by lacking in belief not pushing forward like we did. And this is causing the small margins we are losing games by

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

No it's not .
It's losing goals to personal error
We are shipping in 1 or 2 in 10 of the games.only 1 in half the games
We are by lacking in belief not pushing forward like we did. And this is causing the small margins we are losing games by

We've conceded 21 goals.

After 12 games last season we had only conceded 9 goals.

 

[blade too long]

We've conceded 21 goals.

After 12 games last season we had only conceded 9 goals.

Yes because we are not converting chances we aren't going in front and having a lead to defend and can't counter attack. Opposing teams have no fear of pushing forward..

We function as a unit when on form . The defence need the whole to be doing it's jobs . The mentality is different as our midfields not contributing like last season
And Stevens and Baldock not pushing opposition midfields back by raiding forwards is putting the defence under more pressure

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Yes because we are not converting chances we aren't going in front and having a lead to defend and can't counter attack. Opposing teams have no fear of pushing forward..

We function as a unit when on form . The defence need the whole to be doing it's jobs . The mentality is different as our midfields not contributing like last season

Whichever way you cut it, we can't score and our defence has deteriorated to the point where we're conceding more than twice as many goals as we did last season.

It's a lethal combination that is probably going to see us relegated.

You've got to remember that we've lost 3 key players that were an integral part of that rock solid defence. Henderson, O'Connell and Stevens.

I'm not saying we're definitely down yet but time is fast running out now.

We need to get at least 4 points from our next 4 matches just to keep in touch with 17th.

 

[Carlton Blade]

We've made the most errors that have led to an opponents shot
We are second bottom for most successful ball pressures
3rd bottom for most successful tackles against dribbles
Bottom for possession
2nd bottom for successful dribbles
3rd bottom for ball carries
We've been fouled the least amount in the league, by an amazing amount (we are 82 times, next lowest is City on 114, top is Villa on 163)
3rd bottom for xG for
4th bottom for xG against
4th bottom for chances created per 90
The only team without a clean sheet
2nd bottom for shots
Bottom for shots on target
2nd bottom for % of shots on target
2nd bottom for shots and shots on target conceded
Bottom for long pass completion %. 3rd bottom for short and medium pass completion %

But we are second on most aerial duels won!!

 

[Houston_Blade]

Results and form are variable
Yes weve had a run of poor results
But our form hasn't always been poor
Finishing has the key
We went from a reasonable conversion rate to nearly nil
It can be addressed and just matching last season's levels of finishing can get us out of this malaise

Why didn't you just tell David Weir that once upon a time we were good so eventually it will all be ok?

You don't just flick a switch and go from being defensively poor, weak in midfield and terrible at finishing to neither of the 3.

The goals scored column was pretty poor last season, we just defended well and it helped massively, we can't defend at the moment, whether it's mistakes or just being shit at defending, we're not very good at it and it won't just change overnight. We also had a functioning midfield last season, that isn't happening this season so it's not just a case of 'doing what we did last season'. Although I think you know that but you're balls deep in delusion and don't want to pull out.

 

[Houston_Blade]

We've made the most errors that have led to an opponents shot
We are second bottom for most successful ball pressures
3rd bottom for most successful tackles against dribbles
Bottom for possession
2nd bottom for successful dribbles
3rd bottom for ball carries
We've been fouled the least amount in the league, by an amazing amount (we are 82 times, next lowest is City on 114, top is Villa on 163)
3rd bottom for xG for
4th bottom for xG against
4th bottom for chances created per 90
The only team without a clean sheet
2nd bottom for shots
Bottom for shots on target
2nd bottom for % of shots on target
2nd bottom for shots and shots on target conceded
Bottom for long pass completion %. 3rd bottom for short and medium pass completion %

But we are second on most aerial duels won!!

But, but, but, but we weren't last season so it'll all be ok in the end

 

[blade too long]

Why didn't you just tell David Weir that once upon a time we were good so eventually it will all be ok?

You don't just flick a switch and go from being defensively poor, weak in midfield and terrible at finishing to neither of the 3.

The goals scored column was pretty poor last season, we just defended well and it helped massively, we can't defend at the moment, whether it's mistakes or just being shit at defending, we're not very good at it and it won't just change overnight. We also had a functioning midfield last season, that isn't happening this season so it's not just a case of 'doing what we didast season

Weir never had a system that worked
Your using an analogy that's ridiculous

Had we stays up by the skin of our teeth you'd have a point
But teams couldn't dominate us
Small margins change games in the prem
Last season we made enough of an impact to swing those small margins to our advantage
A loss of belief And some loss of individuals form has swung those margins
We need individuals to regain their belief and return to how good they were

Not as your comment about Weir states turn shit into gold
More polish what is tarnished gold to a bright finish again

 

[bongleblade]

If we win at Brighton we are only 2 wins from safety

Looks bleak but it's not terminal

We just have to find our mojo

Long way yet from being consigned to the championship

No matter how shite we were today
Tomorrow is another day

the problem is that 2 wins seems like a massive task when you consider we've not won once in 16 games now. Going by our form it could take a full season's worth of games to chalk up 2 wins.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

the problem is that 2 wins seems like a massive task when you consider we've not won once in 16 games now. Going by our form it could take a full season's worth of games to chalk up 2 wins.

Even if we won our next two matches we'd still probably be bottom of the league.

That's got to be having a big psychological effect on the players.

I know people in football often say they don't look at the table but I don't believe them.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Weir never had a system that worked
Your using an analogy that's ridiculous

Had we stays up by the skin of our teeth you'd have a point
But teams couldn't dominate us
Small margins change games in the prem
Last season we made enough of an impact to swing those small margins to our advantage
A loss of belief And some loss of individuals form has swung those margins
We need individuals to regain their belief and return to how good they were

Not as your comment about Weir states turn shit into gold
More polish what is tarnished gold to a bright finish again

Tell yourself what you want but this season to last is chalk and cheese. It's not a case of 'small margins', it's massive changes needed in the way that we are playing and in individual performances.

The difference in performances between Weir and Wilder in the bad old days is a similar swing to what we'd need this season, it's not as simple as just flicking a switch and being good again and hoping a few deflections go in for us (for starters we'd have to be in the opposing half with the ball for the latter to happen).