Premier League team reduction

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

There seems many Liverpool and Man Utd fans disgusted by it, as well as Arsenal but the owners are as interested in Sangsit in Kuala Lumpur as they are in Gary in Stretford whose had a season ticket for 50 years.

More interested. See my lengthy diatribe from last night!

 

[Blade56]

The Football Supporters Association has today described Project Big Picture as a “sugar-coated cyanide pill”.

Project Big Picture: A sugar-coated cyanide pill - Football Supporters' Association

Football is in crisis, many clubs desperately need financial support to help them survive, and the game’s wealth has to be shared more fairly – but the ‘Project Big Picture’ plans are not the answer and they would be an absolute disaster for our game.

thefsa.org.uk

Is anyone a member of the FSA? Is our forum an affiliated member?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Is anyone a member of the FSA? Is our forum an affiliated member?

According to their Affiliate and Associate page we have three listed:

• Official Sheffield United Supporters Club (Affiliate)
• Rainbow Blades (Associate)
• Senior Blades (Affiliate)

I have attempted to get in touch with the official supporters club and never got a reply. It’s never struck me as a particularly active group.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

It's a bit of a fallacy, yeah the Glazers might have taken cash out....just like any directors would from a comapny they owned, but people act like they've not actually spent anything.

That isn't what they've done at all. They've taken control of a company using the assets of that company as collateral, completely stifling it with debt.

It's like me taking over your corner shop because it's full of stock, flogging all the stock to pay for it, then replacing all the brands with cheap knock offs and charging you 50% more than you were paying previously because the shop is now loaded with debt.

The reason FC United (and the anti-Glazer campaigns) were created was because fans objected to directly paying for some US billionaires to own their club.

They took over Man U in 2003, since then the Premier League and Premier League clubs have seen a massive increase in support outside of the UK and increased TV deals within the UK. Football finances have gone through the roof, and Manchester United have gone backward at almost each and every turn. Imagine saying in 2003 that Manchester City would surpass them!

Don't get me wrong, I have no love at all for Man United and seeing their decline has been hugely enjoyable, but the thought of the Glazer's lecturing anyone on how to run a football club is laughable.

 

[LenTednTony]

Interesting to note that this 250 mill is in the proposal as a "gesture of solidarity ". Nothing enshrined, nothing guaranteed. Just obscenely wealthy people preying on the desperation of the desperate.

Thing is, if it really was a gesture of solidarity then it wouldn’t entail anyone giving up anything. No, it is purely a bribe so that the top 6 (2) can do what the fuck they want and ride roughshod over everyone and anyone they so wish. It is nothing short of disgusting!

 

[Tarqs]

That isn't what they've done at all. They've taken control of a company using the assets of that company as collateral, completely stifling it with debt.

It's like me taking over your corner shop because it's full of stock, flogging all the stock to pay for it, then replacing all the brands with cheap knock offs and charging you 50% more than you were paying previously because the shop is now loaded with debt.

The reason FC United (and the anti-Glazer campaigns) were created was because fans objected to directly paying for some US billionaires to own their club.

They took over Man U in 2003, since then the Premier League and Premier League clubs have seen a massive increase in support outside of the UK and increased TV deals within the UK. Football finances have gone through the roof, and Manchester United have gone backward at almost each and every turn. Imagine saying in 2003 that Manchester City would surpass them!

Don't get me wrong, I have no love at all for Man United and seeing their decline has been hugely enjoyable, but the thought of the Glazer's lecturing anyone on how to run a football club is laughable.

In 2003 man city didn't have a country running them.

The leverage against the club was also their own NFL franchise (tampa bay I think).

I never mentioned how they bought the club, I spoke of the fallacy that they haven't spent anything.

 

[metalblade]

Love listening to Ian Holloway - accused as being as mad as a bag of frogs but listen to the truth and passion he has for football and what he thinks of this proposal

BBC Radio Humberside - Humberside Sport Live, 13/10/2020, Holloway: "Greed is disgusting, and that’s what I’m seeing everywhere. It’s absolutely vile."

Grimsby Town manager on the Project Big Picture plans for the English football pyramid.

www.bbc.co.uk

Well said Ian Holloway.

Something Addison touched on earlier just think if McCabe had won the court case we would be in the hands of American owners.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

I’d love to know what proportion of the global Man Utd fans hate their owners.. 5%? 10%?

 

[BadgersBigToe]

Project Big Picture: 'Breakaway league' threatened, says Football Association chairman

A breakaway league was suggested "as a threat" by the organisers of Project Big Picture, says Football Association chairman Greg Clarke.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[blade too long]

If it's dropped to 18 there's a greater chance of 1 maybe 2 of the top 9 could get relegated
Take out 2 teams 4 x 3points against the weaker sides gone any team could miss out on 12 points
Such as Spurs will rely heavily on beating the bottom half teams usually
Be fun and games if man Utd went down

 

[Tarqs]

 

[HammerInPeace]

Very pleased we're against.
Here's my proposal. 'Big 6' f*ck off wherever they want to* & we replace them with 6 from the Championship.
The PL then becomes more of a level playing field & more competitive.

*And no, they can no longer take part in domestic cups, in the future.

 

[Harry's Game]

Gibson at Boro has come out 100% behind it. Short term self interest trumps the greater good of football.

I am glad I experienced the the months from last August to January, if this goes through it will almost certainly be the high water mark of my Blades watching life as it scuppers any chance of a club of our size being able to establish themselves in the top division. The best we can ever hope for would be the odd promotion season followed by an instant relegation the following season. Without the backstop of parachute payments no promoted club would ever risk spending anything at all in the attempt to compete unless they lucked onto a billionaire chairman.

 

[ormester]

I think it is more important we stay up this year than ever what ever it takes prince it needs to happen

 

[ormester]

Why isnt the government sorting it out they are ones that stops fans after in Europe crowds are allowed

 

[ormester]

So being bought out of your independence so big clubs can dump their loan players on you in bulk? Basically abolishing any chance of breaking into the top 10. Giving the Premier League ownership of who can own a team. Having no say at all in league matters.

All for a bit of cash over an indeterminate time. Basically hush money.

I don't see the upside.

Exactly its dirty money Peterbrough chairman said USA pension finds have offered to give money surely its a better idea

 

[wavy-blade]

If this goes ahead I am packing it in, fuck it !

 

[metalblade]

Apparently all the EFL clubs are for this stupid scheme, well the clubs in league one and two would be wouldn't they apart from Sunderland, Portsmouth, Charlton and maybe Ipswich they have very little chance of getting to the Premier League and I doubt Fratton Park and Portman road would be anywhere near the standards required.
Moving into the Championship only half of that division could seriously consider long term Premier League futures so yes I could see the likes of Wycombe, Rotherham and Barnsley all going with it. The rest and 10 teams in the Premier league would be mad to support this idea which in effect would relegate them as cannon fodder for the "preferred few" meaning any future team doing a Leicester and winning the League would be nigh on impossible, and if it did happen they would just change the rules to make sure it didn't again. Somebody please explain to me how a closed shop is competitive and fair? Man Utd and Liverpool disgust me same goes for the EFL clubs willing to sell their souls for a few crumbs dropped from the top table. If this happens I'm done with football no interest in following a club that can only ever make up the numbers. HammerInPeace has the best idea, I for one wouldn't miss any of the top six who want everything loaded in their favour.

 

[segasonic]

Gibson at Boro has come out 100% behind it. Short term self interest trumps the greater good of football.

I am glad I experienced the the months from last August to January, if this goes through it will almost certainly be the high water mark of my Blades watching life as it scuppers any chance of a club of our size being able to establish themselves in the top division. The best we can ever hope for would be the odd promotion season followed by an instant relegation the following season. Without the backstop of parachute payments no promoted club would ever risk spending anything at all in the attempt to compete unless they lucked onto a billionaire chairman.

Which wouldn't happen as Newton Heath and Liverpool would veto the appointment.

 

[McGrath]

If this succeeds, it effectively means we subsidise the pigs, who

1) don't need the money because Chansiri is a billionaire
2) have been financially mis managed for years

It stinks

 

[Sean Thornton]

What we mustn’t do with regards to this is compromise so that it moves along bit by bit. Needs to be stopped in its tracks now. L1 and L2 clubs need help. Big overspenders below the PL with mega rich owners should be on their own.

Put a wage cap at the top before the bottom.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Bladesman]

 

[PLAIN BLADE]

Newcastle ,Villa ,Leeds , and maybe Leicester to get offer of Special status next , i would turn the table and vote Liverpool and Man Utd out , and take the cash hit .

 

[Badger Blade]

As much as it benefits teams lower down the leagues, there will still be two extra teams from League 2 who will end up in the Conference if they still want 24 team leagues below the Premier League.

As a short term measure with the situation we're in, divvying up the money is a great idea to keep clubs in the lower leagues going, likewise £20 tickets.

The main gripe probably isn't all the proposals, some of which make sense but it's the fact that its come from Man United and Liverpool standing at the top of their ivory towers professing to be the saviours of football and are inviting their mates to the table to make the decisions, none of which are exactly going to be impartial, its all self serving as much as they might want us to think that it isn't. Next thing will be relegation being scrapped and being elected to the Premier League rather than getting there on merit. Plenty of clubs have been scraping the barrel and have been struggling long before Covid entered the dictionary but where were they when the likes of Bury or Macclesfield were getting screwed over?

Its like celebrities doing a Unicef advert, all good PR for themselves as a rich, successful person giving back and looking like they care as they get back in their helicopter to take them from the plains of Africa to their jet back to Beverly Hills where Consuela on minimum wage has been feverishly scrubbing the floors for when they return.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

 

[petcharlie]

Very pleased we're against.
Here's my proposal. 'Big 6' f*ck off wherever they want to* & we replace them with 6 from the Championship.
The PL then becomes more of a level playing field & more competitive.

*And no, they can no longer take part in domestic cups, in the future.

That would be ideal ,seriously I would welcome that.In a so called democratic organization like the prem why is it that the top six votes mean more than the bottom six votes?How are they allowed to dictate how the prem is run over other legit members who because of their less valued vote have to dance to the big sixes tune.It's about time the sports minister intervened to make it more democratic than it is pretending to be.I wonder what the outcome would be if in a general election the size of your wallet made your vote more valuable than the guy next door to you.I think fans of all clubs started to put aside allegancies and fight these dictates before the sport we love is killed off by these dictates and kills all clubs apart from the big six.

 

[originaltrueblade]

Time for Manure and pool to


FUCK OFF!!!!

 

[petcharlie]

If it is such a good idea I wonder if the likes of Liverpool or Man U will be putting their hand up to drop down to the Championship ?

 

[Kev Gee]

What's the whispers about that some Americans bid for a stake in the EFL and Parry turned them down flat. And then straight away this "other" offer comes in?

Something definitely not right there.