Yorkshire Live -Wilder

[Blade56]

Yes lets go and pay £25/33m for Watkins
We are not that daft

Der, my point is we were in for them even had bids accepted but because Wilder and / or the board had underestimated the market we lost them. Eze is another example, we’ve been caught with our pants down. Wider thought “four more in next week” was a done deal so was smiling and we had them nicked from under our noses admittedly with ridiculous financial clout.

 

[Surrey Blade]

I honestly think we'll have the reverse problem.

Berge would have many suitors. I honestly believe some of our fans overestimate how good some of our players would be outside of our formation. I very much doubt any Premier League club would be interested in anyone else. Maybe JoC but we'd not get that much for him.

We'll be stuck with a squad on high wages and with several of them past their best. Not being able to get rid of anyone in order to raise funds to bring new players in.

Bloody hell. I'm pissed off enough with all this lockdown farce. Any more of this doom and gloom and you'll tip me over the edge! Let's try being a bit more upbeat!

 

[Reyt Then]

This is like the bloody Brexit negotiations

Brewxit?

 

[Blade56]

Bloody hell. I'm pissed off enough with all this lockdown farce. Any more of this doom and gloom and you'll tip me over the edge! Let's try being a bit more upbeat!

Even Wilder is showing there’s not a lot to be upbeat about with 5 loses on the bounce, injuries and attempts to strengthen being thwarted. That not doom and gloom it’s reality. Some great things happening as pointed out on another thread £50m spent, new training facility etc but it all counts for nowt if it’s not happening on the pitch.

 

[ormester]

Best window ever according to Wilder the other week. He must have meant the windows on his new house.

If this is the best window what's a bad window

 

[Bladesman]

If this is the best window what's a bad window

Signing Conor Sammon.

 

[BanderSerge]

I honestly think we'll have the reverse problem.

Berge would have many suitors. I honestly believe some of our fans overestimate how good some of our players would be outside of our formation. I very much doubt any Premier League club would be interested in anyone else. Maybe JoC but we'd not get that much for him.

We'll be stuck with a squad on high wages and with several of them past their best. Not being able to get rid of anyone in order to raise funds to bring new players in.

Have a day off FFS!

 

[robbiez666]

Have a day off FFS!

Bloody hell. I'm pissed off enough with all this lockdown farce. Any more of this doom and gloom and you'll tip me over the edge! Let's try being a bit more upbeat!

I was just responding to someone.

 

[finlaytheblade]

A number of posters on here either dont beleave or listen to what Wilder says.
Plenty of times he has said we have to be cute as we cant compete with premiership teams In the window or with wages.Robinson and cash were good examples, transfer fee with cash and wages with Robinson .Wilder has a budget which encapsulates transfers and wages, both are adhered too religiously as the prince explained in the forum.Its frustrating for us fans and obviously to Wilder.
Everyone in the premiership will know we need a striker which makes it harder as clubs will try to extricate as much cash as possible from us.Dont beleave all this trash about Liverpool giving us the option to pay over a long period,if they want 25 million I dont think and maybe the blades feel that is more than he's worth especially if they want a buy back clause.
Maybe a case of brinkmanship taking place
with a number of transfers Bolagun of Arsenal could possibly fit into this scenario.
We as fans have to accept at this stage ! wages are a big part of the problem,
We lack premiership quality to buy a seasoned premiership player we're talking 30 + million on top of that the wages would bust our wage structure so at present time we have to go back to where I started !
We have to be cute and bring players in who we can develop into premiership players.
Burge,Mcburnie and Ramsdale are 3 players we brought in for biggish fee's ! The wages they were on were well within our structure so kept the lid on wages.
Over the period Wilder has been here the wages have gone up in line with progress on the pitch and will have gone up drastically in the premiership, Still way behind the average in the league so we struggle to get players over the line
Wilder said a few weeks ago " it could go down to the wire " so I beleave he was prepared for what is happening now ,just have to hold there nerve.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

No argument, we defiantly need someone to stand up and be that threat up front, if not for the team then for my blood pressure,. .
But as for Mr Wilder spiting his dummy out and walking .... dream on

Wilder nearly walked the other season when McCabe and The Prince's clash got in the way of building a team for promotion.

If Wilder doesn't get backed and doesn't sign a striker this window then I can see him staying. If he doesn't get backed in January and we're not in a good way then I can see him walking. The board need to conjure up a way to back him or risk potentially losing him and watching us whimper out of the top flight without a fight.

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

And now there are 4

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And now there are 4

4 what?

 

[ZLB]

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Imperative we stay in this division this season.
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yeah.

 

[HeySethUTB]

4 what?

I think this is alluding to the four sides yet to pick up a point this season after 2 games. Honestly. 2 games, it’s like some people want to see us fail just so they can say ”told you so, should have spent money“. this season was a toss up between adding squad depth or quality. The latter would have left us exposed. The former means nothing if we get relegated. Rock and hard place. 2 games.

 

[jono_t2000]

If he doesn't get backed in January and we're not in a good way then I can see him walking.

Wait, so previous windows Wilder has gone out of his way to thank the board for giving him the money needed to get his targets.

One season where due to outside circumstances things are a bit tighter and board can't stump up the required funds and he's going to walk?! Pull your head in lad

 

[ormester]

Yes lets go and pay £25/33m for Watkins
We are not that daft

18m for Dennis though is better

 

[knowsnowt]

18m for Dennis though is better

No.. Its not. He's wank..
None of the players were looking at are worth anything like 18m.
If we have to throw this kind of money at utter shit I'd rather see us back in the championship.
Fuck me..

 

[Champagneblade]

If we do get relegated I wonder if CWAK will be up for rebuild from Square one, which is what it would be, players like Berge, Fleck, JOC, Egan would leave and would all need replacing, Billy and Didzy would be pushing things as being too old and would also need replacing at some point, no fans means no income and much of the parachute and transfer income money would be diverted to paying off the loan to buy the assets.

Imperative we stay in this division this season.

I was thinking on this earlier in the weekend though I didn't post it's own thread as it would seem a bit 'bed wetting', after 3 negative results, two of which were pretty unwarranted.

If we did drop there is still some good succession planning on the XI.

No team goes through pre-season without adding players. But even with some key departures there is some scope there to bounce back.

Keeper - I think we have Rammers for the long haul and with Moore, Verrips, Foderingham, Eastwood and Dewhurst, there are enough options to get some balance in the squad.

Defence - you could see big money departures for Baldock, O'Connell and Egan. I'd see Bash remaining loyal plus his age means he will lack resale value. So you'd have a 5 of Bogle-Basham-New-Stevens/Robinson-Lowe/RND. You'd likely need that one pivot if Egan left but I could see Enda slotting in at LCB as a next career step plus the season at Luton will be even more valuable for Rhys.

Midfield, you could see Lunny moving for free, Berge attracting a big bid and Fleck being covetted. You could still line up with a progressive midfield of Norwood's passing from deep and Osborn, who I am a growing more and more a fan of, taking over from Fleck. You'd need to reinvest a little on RCM but not unexpected.

Up front you'd be coming into your own a little. McBurnie a perfect example. He's not done enough yet to be fully covetted at the top level and if he does then we stay up. He is a 20+ striker in the Championship though. Then you have a combo of Billy and McGoldrick perhaps for one last season and Mousset causing havok when fit. You may also start to introduce Hackford and start to see what Burke can do.

You should be looking at over 100m in incoming plus parachute payments so you'd expect some wiggle room.

But I don't think those at the helm will allow this scenario anyway, even if we don't win today.

 

[ormester]

No.. Its not. He's wank..
None of the players were looking at are worth anything like 18m.
If we have to throw this kind of money at utter shit I'd rather see us back in the championship.
Fuck me..

Wank lol You playing champions league bang on goals and he's wank lol

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

Even if we did go down,( and I don't think for a minute we will,) we would still be a dam sight better off than we were before Mr Wilder and HRH came and we were, stuck in Div 3.
Let's face it compared to those days we've all been living in Wonder land, and we've already got some great moments to remember and the chance of more to come.
I for one count myself very lucky to have been here through these times no matter where we go from here, I think we all know some good BLADES that never got the chance .

 

[Sirius]

If Wilder and the board keep spunkin money on fallen and injury prone players rather than quality like Sander Berge we will never have funds to strengthen. I know the old negative and glass half empty trolls will start shooting from the hip but as we are now we are looking at almost certain relegation. The players ran out of magic back end of the restart and haven't rediscovered it. With a strike force of Billy, Didsy, McB and Burke up against world class keepers and defences, come on.
Watching every game on TV at the moment it’s clear that nearly every team has a degree of quality we lack or have lost (eg Hendo). Wilder is right to be concerned with a board so lacking in financial clout they were split 3/2 on a brilliant bit of business with Lowe and Bogle. What chance does he have in buying an average striker with starting prices around the £25m mark?

Remember the old saying. “You have to speculate to accumulate “
Lack of action in the transfer market could cost us millions if we are relegated
Chris Wilder is not one for spunk in money. All the more reason for the Board to listen and act before it’s too late
Future payments from the Pre set up far outweigh the asking price of available players
Reading about the reluctance of the Board to sanction onward transfers suggests that Prince A has been taking lessons from our previous owner on parsimony
Get thi finger aht lad

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I think he was confident of getting Brewster on loan 2 weeks ago but the situation changed and now they want to sell him for £20M instead.

Remember that CW said Ramsdale was his big money signing and he was working to the budget he’d been given.

Now he’s been forced into a situation where he’s had to go back to the board and ask them to stretch the budget by another £20M.

Even if he goes for the Arsenal kid instead he’s being pushed to spend £10M that hasn’t been budgeted for.

I think that’s the cause of the current impasse and frustration. That said, I do think that the board need to give CW is £20M. It’s not like he would be spending it on an ageing journeyman with no resale value or potential upside.

I’m also not really buying the notion that we’re skint because of Covid. Yes, we lost money through the turnstiles but less than most of our rivals.

There is no way that they budgeted to finish 9th last season and last 8 in the cup. So the extra income from that will have offset or outstripped the Covid losses.

Crunch time for The Prince, Wilder and United and what happens next will decide our future trajectory for the foreseeable future.

Credit where it’s due to The Prince and the board for backing Wilder with an extra £23.5M.

Maybe more if he needs to spend again on a JOC replacement? Or we still have that loan option available now. Might be the best way forward for six months at least?

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Pretty sure that wilder dropped the story to hemmingham last Saturday to push things along and focus the owners mind

He's a canny laddy our Chrissy

 

[Kop sufferer]

Pretty sure that wilder dropped the story to hemmingham last Saturday to push things along and focus the owners mind

He's a canny laddy our Chrissy

CW and his team have employed subtifuge and deception tactics within this transfer window not seen in this country since the Normandy landings in WW2.

 

[bertieblade]

As things stand We would make a profit on
Berge
Egan
O’Connell
Stevens
Baldock
Fleck

Possibly lose money on moose and Mcburnie

Netto in profit

 

[Ricardo Mantelban]

As things stand We would make a profit on
Berge
Egan
O’Connell
Stevens
Baldock
Fleck

Possibly lose money on moose and Mcburnie

Netto in profit

We’re not signing Netto now?

 

[Dalelane01]

3 games in .and most of you planning for championship next season.is this season over for some of you already .look at some of the other teams in the premership .yes we might have no goals or points.with tough fixtures ahead .but we will be in a far better position than this come the end of the season.talk about gloom .first point on board against arsenal tommorow utb

 

[Niceguyeddie]

As things stand We would make a profit on
Berge
Egan
O’Connell
Stevens
Baldock
Fleck

Possibly lose money on moose and Mcburnie

Netto in profit

Seen as fleck o' connel Stevens and baldock cost next to fuck all I would hope so
I'd be amazed if we lost money on moose given that his initial fee was about 4 million pounds and we wouldn't sell mcburnie for less than we paid unless we were desperate ,if we were in tge championship he would absolutely rip it up so I doubt we would sell him anyway

 

[bertieblade]

I think we will beat arsenal but was purely pointing out that despite what some have said re Wilder not being very good when it comes to spending large amounts of money we are in my opinion in profit on his overall dealings.