Premier League salaries.

[ormester]

Still surprises me that this news surprises them!

Until we get that owner or investor backing we will continue to do things our way, within our budget.
Hopefully we will manage to keep Wilder here and continue to find players within the budget who can do the job required.

I predict we will always have the lowest budget in this league, regardless who comes up every season!

Is that not a kick in the teeth to cw

 

[What the Hecky]

Wilder has said he won't spunk the money, pay what a player is worth, keep team unity under a balanced and fair wage structure, rewarding those who deserve it, I'll take that over paying a ridiculous amount of money from some pompous big time Charlie who doesn't give a damn about the shirt but the payday.

The longer we stay in the Prem, the more money we will spend on wages and players. The top teams don't have to worry about relegation, they are guaranteed to be able to spunk money till their hearts content because they have no threat of going down. It will take a long time for us to be able to ever compete on the same footing as the big teams, if at all, if we don't pay the wages the big teams offer then we will always loose players to them. Just the way football works, doubt we will see any sort of wage cap come in to control the system that has always favoured the teams with more money than the rest.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Is that not a kick in the teeth to cw

No, I doubt it. He’s been a blade long enough to know what the club is about and where it is in the football world.
Personally, think the only job he leaves us for of his choosing is England.
He’s well paid, wants for noting and is adored by fans exactly like him for doing his dream job.
I suspect while he’s here, premier league and doing what he’s doing he’s over the moon. He will be well aware that without him we would struggle to replicate the current success. (Again without some crazy billionaire chucking silly money at it)

 

[munksyb]

Whilst we were in league 1 & the championship, I was always of the opinion that the Premiership was obnoctious, and was not the football competition I remember from the 1960's onwards.
Yes I'm a misserable old git, but being a yorkshireman I wont waste money & want value for what I spend.
What Wilder has done is use a Yorkshiremans attributes as his model, and I hope we succeed in order to change the perception of how football clubs should be run

He will not let agents rule the roost
He did not get promoted with players he recruited and the abandoned them for a complete new team in the higher league
He will not hang onto players who dont want to be here at BDTBL
He does like to use UK/Irish players, as he feels he can build a team spirit with them
He is not bothered if we have to go direct at times, ( although we must stop trying to overplay around the 18 yd box)
He has developed his own style, and wants players who can slot into his style.

We dont want to be a Wendy team trying to buy success, we want to do it the right way

We dont want big time charlies like Pogba, we want the Billy Sharp's of the footballing world

So up yours Manure / Arsenal / Chelsea & the rest, more power to your elbow Chris, I for one love your approach

 

[Stockport blade]

I think the burnley post says it all-so we get £100m a year and even if you follow their model £80m of it goes on wages (even when paying modest wages).if you don’t get mega income from corporate or stadium revenue (corporate is the way and we have just one row of boxes) then unless a billionaire comes in you’re trapped at that level. Given where we were 4 years ago that level was a still pretty sweet to be at! We’re building to a burnley level wage bill but takes time otherwise you’ll upset the rest already here

 

[Upton_Blade]

Surely that would mean that giving a manager as good as CW a healthy budget day 50/60 million to spend on 2/3 quality players a season

I probably didn't word the question correctly.

So to be clear would you rather have at SUFC right now:

A) CW with a budget of say £50m and a wage ceiling of £40k a week or
B) Dean Smith with a budget of £100m and a wage ceiling of £80k a week?

Just to answer your point as well I truly don't believe the issue is the transfer fees in most cases more the wages other clubs are prepared to offer.

We showed with the fees we paid out last season that we will quite happily pay large fees (for us anyway) as long as the players sit within our wage structure and don't piss off the rest of the squad.

 

[Upton_Blade]

To add to that if CW truly thought Olli Watkins would make a huge difference i'm sure the board would sanction the rumoured £25m asking price but if Villa are prepared to match that and give him £75k a week wages then it's an absolute non starter where we're concerned.

It's the exact reason Robinson has gone to Fulham instead of us.

 

[ThatJa]

Even if the season is suspended and the t.v companies refuse to pay up ?

They already paid upfront the next 5 years worth of money PL clubs receive..

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

If we want to stay a premier league team we need to spend like one

and yet last year we didn’t, and yet we stayed up?

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

and yet last year we didn’t, and yet we stayed up?

Spent what 60 million plus ? So it does help ? Worked well for Norwich

 

[ucandomagic]

I probably didn't word the question correctly.

So to be clear would you rather have at SUFC right now:

A) CW with a budget of say £50m and a wage ceiling of £40k a week or
B) Dean Smith with a budget of £100m and a wage ceiling of £80k a week?

Just to answer your point as well I truly don't believe the issue is the transfer fees in most cases more the wages other clubs are prepared to offer.

We showed with the fees we paid out last season that we will quite happily pay large fees (for us anyway) as long as the players sit within our wage structure and don't piss off the rest of the squad.

I hate to say it - but American football seems to have got it right - a salary cap and a draft system. You can’t buy the present or the future. Success and dynasties are created by coaches - not money. So I guess you try to buy success by buying the best coach, but he can’t just get all the best players because of the salary cap - so the game becomes a coaching challenge between a number of coaches with similar ability players - which is what it should be.

 

[Upton_Blade]

I hate to say it - but American football seems to have got it right - a salary cap and a draft system. You can’t buy the present or the future. Success and dynasties are created by coaches - not money. So I guess you try to buy success by buying the best coach, but he can’t just get all the best players because of the salary cap - so the game becomes a coaching challenge between a number of coaches with similar ability players - which is what it should be.

Couldn't agree more but it'll never happen unfortunately.

One of the main thing the yanks have ever got right where sport is concerned.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Spent what 60 million plus ? So it does help ? Worked well for Norwich

Oh so the level for survival £60 million per season is it?

How come Southampton, Burnley stayed up last year, and what happens if more than 4 teams don’t spend that much?

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Oh so the level for survival £60 million per season is it?

How come Southampton, Burnley stayed up last year, and what happens if more than 4 teams don’t spend that much?

So what do you think we should spend then ?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

So what do you think we should spend then ?

I don’t think there is a fixed figure because it means nothing and doesn’t mean anything. Villa and Fulham before them spent loads and failed as did West Ham. You agree with the manager a rough budget based on our income as you do with the wage bill and get those you can. This will change season on season and in our case it looks like it will continue to grow year on year.
If Bettis could give Wilder £100 million and the same level wage bill I’m sure he would but we’re a fair few years away from that.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

They already paid upfront the next 5 years worth of money PL clubs receive..

Who has ?

 

[Upton_Blade]

They already paid upfront the next 5 years worth of money PL clubs receive..

Erm no they haven't.

For starters the current deal only runs for the next 2 years and no way is the full 3 year deal paid up front.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I don’t think there is a fixed figure because it means nothing and doesn’t mean anything.

Fuck!

 

[Shoreham_Bhoys]

We've pretty much reached our ceiling in our current financial position, we can't sustain a 10th placed Premier League side on a tiny PL budget when our rivals want to hunt us down.

 

[BettingBlade]

I hate to say it - but American football seems to have got it right - a salary cap and a draft system. You can’t buy the present or the future. Success and dynasties are created by coaches - not money. So I guess you try to buy success by buying the best coach, but he can’t just get all the best players because of the salary cap - so the game becomes a coaching challenge between a number of coaches with similar ability players - which is what it should be.

Problem with that is, football is a global sport as opposed to the NFL where the only major league is governed by one body. The salary cap would have to be introduced by UEFA/FIFA for it to be fair. The Premier League will never go with that model purely because it will hold the English game back in the wider context of the global game and ultimately end up with the league having a lower UEFA coefficient and probably less European places as a result.

Although I do agree with the sentiment, there's no chance of it happening unless the entire culture of the game changes. There's way too many external stakeholders involved in the Premier League alone to make it a viable option, unfortunately.

 

[Teofilo Cubillas]

I'm not sure that the concept 'salary cap' is being fully understood.

I don't know specifically about the NFL, but in Major League Baseball (Yankies, Red Socks, Cubs, Dodgers etc...) there is a maximum amount a team can spend/pay in salaries per year. For baseball it's about 320 million dollars a year.

That is to say:

If a clubs annual wage bill is above 320 million, there are then a series of automatic and incremental fines depending on how much over the salary cap the club goes.

What that means is that the star player (for instance the "star pitcher" Clayton Kershaw, or batter Aaron Judge) can still be paid more than 30 million a year, while all the rest adjust/suffer along at between lets say somewhere between half a million and three million a year in order that the club remains below the salary cap.

 

[Shoreham_Bhoys]

The best way to up our budget is to get from abroad like Brentford & either have cheap quality player or sell on for big profit.


Or look closer to home & develop local talent good enough to eventually hit the 1st team, again either having a low investment star or big profit.

 

[BarryBigtime]

The best way to up our budget is to get from abroad like Brentford & either have cheap quality player or sell on for big profit.

Or look closer to home & develop local talent good enough to eventually hit the 1st team, again either having a low investment star or big profit.

This post is bang on imo.

The thing we have is team spirit and a determination like no other team in the League. Comes from unity and a desire to play for the club and CWAK.

I'm amazed Villa stayed up. They were sh*t. Fulham were sh*t the year before and they both followed the same model. I'd be amazed if both stay up next year. I think there are great individuals in both teams but individuals do not keep you up, groups of players do. Norwich on the other hand spent nothing on a team which had a sh*t defence in the Championship the year before.

For sure we could have had Robinson or Cash...backups on big money. But then that may mean the boys who signed a new contract for probably $30k ish, could be pissed off. What does that do to morale throughout the rest of the squad?! Plus Wilder has built this team on values of work hard and get rewarded adequately. Robinson and Cash would have broken that.

Lot to be said for the Burnley model. Great coach and control over their transfer budget. On the surface, consistently uninspiring signings yet strong consistent results.

 

[ATL Recs]

So your just creating unrealistic scenarios ? If me auntie had a cock and balls she'd be me uncle

No he isn’t it’s a very real possibility

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

No he isn’t it’s a very real possibility

What that the TV Companies are just gonna complete suspend all TV Payments ?

 

[Niceguyeddie]

What that the TV Companies are just gonna complete suspend all TV Payments ?

They could have done it last year the premier league were in breach of contract but sky paid up anyway in good faith but they didn't have to

That's why most teams are only spending what they can afford

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I don’t understand what your point is we get £100 million pound minimum a year in the prem

If we want to stay a premier league team we need to spend like one

£100m turnover.
Now deduct costs (wage bill, stadium running costs, infrastructure upgrades, general maintenance) & tell me what's left to invest.

 

[BushBlade]

It’s fairly simple. The higher our wage bill, the less we will have to spend on transfers. Conversely, the more we spend on transfer fees, the less we have for wages.
Our long term aim is to have a higher wage bill and a lower net transfer spend. That will take time, not just one season in the PL. We haven’t turned into Man U overnight.

This is Man U’s business model.
MATCHDAY.

Commercial
Within the Commercial revenue sector, we monetize our global brand via three revenue streams: sponsorship; retail, merchandising, apparel & product licensing; and mobile & content.
Sponsorship: We monetize the value of our global brand and community of followers through marketing and sponsorship relationships with leading international and regional companies around the globe. To better leverage the strength of our brand, we have developed a global, regional and product segmentation sponsorship strategy. Our sponsorship revenue was £173.0 million, £173.0 million, and £171.5 million for each of the years ended 30 June 2019, 2018, and 2017, respectively.
Retail, Merchandising, Apparel & Product Licensing: We market and sell sports apparel, training and leisure wear and other clothing featuring the Manchester United brand on a global basis. In addition, we also sell other licensed products, from coffee mugs to bed spreads, featuring the Manchester United brand and trademarks. These products are distributed through Manchester United branded retail centers and e-commerce platforms, as well as our partners’ wholesale distribution channels. Our retail, merchandising, apparel & Our retail, merchandising, apparel & product licensing revenue was £102.1 million, £102.8 million and £104.0 million for each of the years ended 30 June 2019, 2018 and 2017, respectively.
Broadcasting
We benefit from the distribution of live football content directly from the revenue we receive and indirectly through increased global exposure for our commercial partners. Broadcasting revenue is derived from the global television rights relating to the Premier League, UEFA club competitions and other competitions. In addition, our wholly-owned global television channel, MUTV, delivers Manchester United programming to over 56 countries and territories around the world. In addition to our broadcasting channel we also launched a D2C subscription mobile application in season 2016/17 which, as of 30 June 2019, was available in over 167 territories. In addition, for our 2018 pre-season tour we also launched on four ‘Connected TV’ platforms to enable our fans to watch and subscribe to our content on more platforms, namely Amazon Fire, Apple TV, Roku and Xbox. Broadcasting revenue including, in some cases, prize money received by us in respect of various competitions, will vary from year to year as a result of variability in the amount of available prize money and the performance of our first team in such competitions. Our Broadcasting revenue was £241.2 million, £204.2 million, and £194.1 million for each of the years ended 30 June 2019, 2018, and 2017, respectively.
Matchday
We believe Old Trafford is one of the world's iconic sports venues. It currently seats 74,140 and is the largest football club stadium in the UK. We have averaged over 99% of attendance capacity for our Premier League matches in each of the last 21 years. Matchday revenue will vary from year to year as a result of the number of home games played and the performance of our first team in various competitions. Our Matchday revenue was £110.8 million, £109.8 million and £111.6 million for each of the years ended 30 June 2019, 2018 and 2017, respectively.
Total revenue for the years ended 30 June 2019, 2018 and 2017 £627.1 million, £589.8 million and £581.3 million, respectively.

Their sponsorship alone earns them more money than our entire revenue. They earn more than five times what we do. Spending money brings you success. Spending money you don’t have brings you failure.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

It’s fairly simple. The higher our wage bill, the less we will have to spend on transfers. Conversely, the more we spend on transfer fees, the less we have for wages.
Our long term aim is to have a higher wage bill and a lower net transfer spend. That will take time, not just one season in the PL. We haven’t turned into Man U overnight.

This is Man U’s business model.
MATCHDAY.

And this is the crux of what I've been saying about we need to build our off field revenues to complete even with the likes of Villa and Fulham who are ahead.
Once we've done that, and I think we have exactly the right man in Bettis to do that, we'll be able to offer wages and transfer fee comparable to most of the bottom half.
Currently we'll be very reliant on Broadcasting and Matchday revenue, and one of those is currently non-existent (although you still have most of the running costs), and the other is currently precarious. It seems entirely understandable why we wouldn't be looking to expand our costs excessively until a little more certainty becomes apparent, for example crowds being allowed to games.

 

[BushBlade]

And this is the crux of what I've been saying about we need to build our off field revenues to complete even with the likes of Villa and Fulham who are ahead.
Once we've done that, and I think we have exactly the right man in Bettis to do that, we'll be able to offer wages and transfer fee comparable to most of the bottom half.
Currently we'll be very reliant on Broadcasting and Matchday revenue, and one of those is currently non-existent (although you still have most of the running costs), and the other is currently precarious. It seems entirely understandable why we wouldn't be looking to expand our costs excessively until a little more certainty becomes apparent, for example crowds being allowed to games.

I think we’ll also have to trade. Other clubs have benefitted from big paying sales from which they’ve reinvested the money back into the club. For example, Leicester could increase their wage bill by more than £20m for three years just on what they received for Maguire. It’s how Spurs went from a mid table side under Sugar to a top six side under ENIC, despite having a very low net transfer spend and very little investment from the owners. Obviously they’ll be tears when this happens.