CONFIRMED Aaron Ramsdale returns to the Lane

[LoughboroBlade]

Ramsdale, and this is no slight on the lad: was peppered and relegated at Chesterfield, peppered and just avoiding relegation at AFC Wimbledon, peppered and relegated at AFC Bournemouth. It's hard to gauge how good a keeper is across that career path. In that respect, he's unproven.

He was a large part (in fact a Wimbledon supporting acquaintance of mine would upgrade that to solely) of why Wimbledon stayed up that season. He was also clearly one of the best parts of Bournemouth’s season. He’s got the same amount of Prem experience as Henderson while being a year younger. There is clearly a lot of confidence in him from Wilder and the staff, and they obviously feel he can continue to grow.

 

[metalblade]

This is where my thinking is at.

My feeling is that this is a gamble, and I'm happy for people to save this quote and use it against me later, because it will mean we've all benefitted. My worry is that he's unproven and I've been challenged on that on here already.

Contrast the two: Henderson has taken a number of progressive loans up the footballing ladder. Grimsby, Shrewsbury, the Blades across two divisions. He's proven himself at every level, being fairly successful at most, very successful at too and looked comfortable with each time he's stepped up a division. He's now touting £100k a week, reportedly.

Ramsdale, and this is no slight on the lad: was peppered and relegated at Chesterfield, peppered and just avoiding relegation at AFC Wimbledon, peppered and relegated at AFC Bournemouth. It's hard to gauge how good a keeper is across that career path. In that respect, he's unproven.

I think it's a gamble, Henderson is ready now, as evidenced by calls to be England's number 1, whereas we're spending what we assume is a good chunk of our budget on someone who may or may not be ready. If he isn't, the position is a significant weakness for us and a real vulnerability in our second season at this level. Replacing Henderson was always going to be hard, but maybe a more proven replacement may have been needed?

Harsh to hold having three shit defences in front of him against the lad. I look at it this way he has stepped up faster than Henderson and as just as much Premier League experience at a younger age.

 

[metalblade]

100% unsure about this one.

Seems a lot of dough and, what becomes clearly obvious, we were still deep in negotiations for Hendo right up until, I’m guessing yesterday.

Its PL inflation I guess. Hope he proves my uncertainty to be unfounded !

UTB

She said no so we had to go and crack one off in the bogs ........................... that's as deep in as we ever got.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

He was a large part (in fact a Wimbledon supporting acquaintance of mine would upgrade that to solely) of why Wimbledon stayed up that season. He was also clearly one of the best parts of Bournemouth’s season. He’s got the same amount of Prem experience as Henderson while being a year younger. There is clearly a lot of confidence in him from Wilder and the staff, and they obviously feel he can continue to grow.

Harsh to hold having three shit defences in front of him against the lad. I look at it this way he has stepped up faster than Henderson and as just as much Premier League experience at a younger age.

Like I say, I sincerely hope you're both right.
And metalblade - like I said, it's hard to gauge how good he is or isn't in those circumstances, behind those defences, I'm not seeking to be harsh to the lad, that's just where my doubts stem from and o hope I'm wrong.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Apologies if reposting but this thread is a good look at some of his key strengths.

 

[8lade]

Some good points Kozzy_is_my_Dad
I see this as the same as the McBurnie signing last year; I'd like somebody better and I thought we've overpaid but in reality this is a decent signing, what we can afford and if fees continue to rise we really will look back next season and say 'that was good value'.

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

This is where my thinking is at.

My feeling is that this is a gamble, and I'm happy for people to save this quote and use it against me later, because it will mean we've all benefitted. My worry is that he's unproven and I've been challenged on that on here already.

Contrast the two: Henderson has taken a number of progressive loans up the footballing ladder. Grimsby, Shrewsbury, the Blades across two divisions. He's proven himself at every level, being fairly successful at most, very successful at too and looked comfortable with each time he's stepped up a division. He's now touting £100k a week, reportedly.

Ramsdale, and this is no slight on the lad: was peppered and relegated at Chesterfield, peppered and just avoiding relegation at AFC Wimbledon, peppered and relegated at AFC Bournemouth. It's hard to gauge how good a keeper is across that career path. In that respect, he's unproven.

I think it's a gamble, Henderson is ready now, as evidenced by calls to be England's number 1, whereas we're spending what we assume is a good chunk of our budget on someone who may or may not be ready. If he isn't, the position is a significant weakness for us and a real vulnerability in our second season at this level. Replacing Henderson was always going to be hard, but maybe a more proven replacement may have been needed?

You are right. This is a gamble, but it is our gamble. We are now in a position to improve a young goalkeeper at our own expense and not for the benefit of Manchester United. The position with Henderson could not go on for much longer, and as much as I thought Henderson was a good goalkeeper, and possibly a great keeper, he has made it clear that he wants to be number one at Manchester United.
I wish him well for the future, but we now have our own, young, talented keeper to nurture for the next few years.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Some good points Kozzy_is_my_Dad
I see this as the same as the McBurnie signing last year; I'd like somebody better and I thought we've overpaid but in reality this is a decent signing, what we can afford and if fees continue to rise we really will look back next season and say 'that was good value'.

That's not a bad shout mate and feels like a fairly equivalent comparison, save Ramsdale's PL year. Here's hoping!!

 

[Stevo]

He was a large part (in fact a Wimbledon supporting acquaintance of mine would upgrade that to solely) of why Wimbledon stayed up that season. He was also clearly one of the best parts of Bournemouth’s season. He’s got the same amount of Prem experience as Henderson while being a year younger. There is clearly a lot of confidence in him from Wilder and the staff, and they obviously feel he can continue to grow.

I have a womble friend, as soon as we were linked with him he texted and said he was the sole reason they stayed up

 

[DronnieBlade]

Why is it obvious that we were still negotiating for Henderson? Genuine question, I’ve not seen anything re that.

I’m quite happy. The staff know him as a character as well as a player. I’m happy we’ll see him grow. Lots of potential here. I did like Henderson but he wasn’t infallible.

The timing and content of Hendos goodbye tweet sent roughly at the time Rambo was having his medical is a bit of a give away imho.

Could be wrong !

UTB

 

[8lade]

Really want Andre Wisdom to sign now to shout ' Mr Ramsdale ' at corners.

it was Mr Grimsdale but would still be funny

We just need a Spiny Norman now!

 

[metalblade]

Apologies if reposting but this thread is a good look at some of his key strengths.

It would be interesting to see how Hendo performs when he is under the cosh, Ramsdale has done it at Chesterfield, Wimbledon and Bournemouth all teams that were struggling. Henderson in comparison was at a good Shrewsbury side and had two years in a very successful United team. Henderson at times had nothing to do all game but then would pull off a top save be interesting to see if Ramsdale can keep up those levels of concentration when things are not as hectic for him. It is a bit futile making comparisons though both have different attributes but are very good keepers in their own way. The main positive for me is Rambo is ours to develop and he wants to be here rather than in Manchester, since arriving the lad has never stopped smiling and is clearly buzzing to be back.

 

[Vikkster]

I want to call him Rammstein

Or the ramster

 

[Chabuddy G]

The timing and content of Hendos goodbye tweet sent roughly at the time Rambo was having his medical is a bit of a give away imho.

Could be wrong !

UTB

You are
That will have been co-ordinated by the club for maximum impact

We’ll have stopped negotiations for Henderson once this bid was accepted

 

[Balham]

Crazy to think that if it's £18.5m + the effective waiver of the sell on fee - so roughly £21m; we now have one of the top ten most expensive keepers of all time (or thereabouts anyway).

Bournemouth have managed the message very well to the point that it's accepted that we've already paid £18.5m. It's the same as they did with Mousset.

Reality: Ramsdale will have cost somewhere in the region of £10-12.5m with a further £6-8.5m in variables, no doubt linked to us retaining our PL status for the duration of his contract, him playing for England, team of the season, European qualification and so on. You're right though, even at £12m he's still top 20 of all time.

Mousset has probably cost us about £7m so far, miles off the £10m we were quoted as having paid last summer.

It would be interesting to see how Hendo performs when he is under the cosh, Ramsdale has done it at Chesterfield, Wimbledon and Bournemouth all teams that were struggling. Henderson in comparison was at a good Shrewsbury side and had two years in a very successful United team. Henderson at times had nothing to do all game but then would pull off a top save be interesting to see if Ramsdale can keep up those levels of concentration when things are not as hectic for him. It is a bit futile making comparisons though both have different attributes but are very good keepers in their own way. The main positive for me is Rambo is ours to develop and he wants to be here rather than in Manchester, since arriving the lad has never stopped smiling and is clearly buzzing to be back.

Shrewsbury finished 3rd in 2017/18 with Henderson in goal, conceding 39 goals in 46 games. In 2018/19, they finished 18th, conceding 59 in 46. They had an exceptional season which coincided with Henderson being there although they did have a high level of player turnover in the summer of 2018, indicating that there's more factors at play than just the goalkeeper.

 

[metalblade]

Bournemouth have managed the message very well to the point that it's accepted that we've already paid £18.5m. It's the same as they did with Mousset.

Reality: Ramsdale will have cost somewhere in the region of £10-12.5m with a further £6-8.5m in variables, no doubt linked to us retaining our PL status for the duration of his contract, him playing for England, team of the season, European qualification and so on. You're right though, even at £12m he's still top 20 of all time.

Mousset has probably cost us about £7m so far, miles off the £10m we were quoted as having paid last summer.



Shrewsbury finished 3rd in 2017/18 with Henderson in goal, conceding 39 goals in 46 games. In 2018/19, they finished 18th, conceding 59 in 46. They had an exceptional season which coincided with Henderson being there although they did have a high level of player turnover in the summer of 2018, indicating that there's more factors at play than just the goalkeeper.

That exceptional season was under Paul Hurst, the season after without Paul Hurst, the difference really isn't all down to just Dean Henderson though it probably helped.

 

[Balham]

That exceptional season was under Paul Hurst, the season after without Paul Hurst, the difference really isn't all down to just Dean Henderson though it probably helped.

The same Paul Hurst who was then a complete failure at Ipswich. Football's a funny game: sometimes the stars align.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Danny_Blade]

Now Ramsdale is by far the most expensive keeper we've ever purchased it's got me thinking what was the previous highest we've ever forked out for one? Most keepers I can think of we've paid either a pittance for or on a free. I may have missed one or two down the years but obviously I have excluded loan players:

Kenny - 45k
Simmo - Free (thank fu...)
Long - Academy graduate
Howard - Free
Moore - 500k wasn't it? I think this must be it - a big jump from this to £18.5M but it shows just how far we've come
Eastwood - Another Academy graduate but still developing
Verrips and Foderingham - our latest additions before Ramsdale's arrival but again both on frees!

On a separate note, from what I've read so far on the view from Bournemouth thread and seen how he came across in the interviews yesterday I'm starting to think he might have leadership potential. Not that many teams have their keepers as Captain and I don't know if Wilder wouldn't mind having his Captain between the sticks or prefer them to be in an outfield position? He's only 22 so early days yet but I'm wondering what other people think of this as a possibility later on his career if he's still with us of course, Captain material anyone?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Now Ramsdale is by far the most expensive keeper we've ever purchased it's got me thinking what was the previous highest we've ever forked out for one? Most keepers I can think of we've paid either a pittance for or on a free. I may have missed one or two down the years but obviously I have excluded loan players:

Kenny - 45k
Simmo - Free (thank fu...)
Long - Academy graduate
Howard - Free
Moore - 500k wasn't it? I think this must be it - a big jump from this to £18.5M but it shows just how far we've come
Eastwood - Another Academy graduate but still developing
Verrips and Foderingham - our latest additions before Ramsdale's arrival but again both on frees!

On a separate note, from what I've read so far on the view from Bournemouth thread and seen how he came across in the interviews yesterday I'm starting to think he might have leadership potential. Not that many teams have their keepers as Captain and I don't know if Wilder wouldn't mind having his Captain between the sticks or prefer them to be in an outfield position? He's only 22 so early days yet but I'm wondering what other people think of this as a possibility later on his career if he's still with us of course, Captain material anyone?

150k was it for Alan Kelly? Moore must be the most though previously. Meaning Kelly might have been the most before him, which seems crazy when you think about how important that position is.

 

[Danny_Blade]

150k was it for Alan Kelly? Moore must be the most though previously. Meaning Kelly might have been the most before him, which seems crazy when you think about how important that position is.

Yeah especially considering how some of them have been great keepers and yet we paid next to nothing for them such as Kelly who you've just mentioned (Wiki states 150k so we'll go with that), Tracey for 7.5k and Kenny for 45k

Also from my earlier list I forgot all about Iain Turner from the Clough days. From what I can remember he was coming towards the end of his career (used to play for Everton back in the day) and wasn't bad but about average for that level and also signed on a free. He was just one of many of the bang average players Clough blew the generous budget we had for the summer window of the 2014/15 season.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Yeah especially considering how some of them have been great keepers and yet we paid next to nothing for them such as Kelly who you've just mentioned (Wiki states 150k so we'll go with that), Tracey for 7.5k and Kenny for 45k

Also from my earlier list I forgot all about Iain Turner from the Clough days. From what I can remember he was coming towards the end of his career (used to play for Everton back in the day) and wasn't bad but about average for that level and also signed on a free. He was just one of many of the bang average players Clough blew the generous budget we had for the summer window of the 2014/15 season.

Our keepers by and large have been comprised of long custodians (Tracey, Kelly, Kenny), medium stints (Moore, Long, Simonsen), repeated loans (Bennett, Henderson etc), nominal fees (De Vogt, Barnes etc), and countless frees.

 

[itsinyerblood]

He will have a World Cup Winners medal, and we're in the Champions League.

Love an optimist......hope you're right of course.

 

[Grecian2000]

Is it a surprise that we haven't spent big on keepers? When was the last time we were a top flight team buying an established top flight keeper?

Until our 1971 promotion it was either the era of "ten a penny" transfers or Alan Hogkinson being around for a lifetime.
In our seventies top flight team we arrived with Hope, brought McAlister and Conroy through the ranks, raided Chezzie for Jim Brown and got Man Utd reserve keeper John Connaughton.
We didn't get back until Bassett's days where we arrived with Tracey, bought Kelly and Rees.
Never arose the next time we were up because we stuck with Paddy.

So now is sort of unique in our history (and transfer fees are bonkers). Circumstances mean we now have to spend this sum.

PS: I'm not for a minute suggesting any of the previous regimes at the club would ever have contemplated investing big in any position, never mind a keeper!

 

[S40BLADE]

Who is the lad that has been training with Wes and Aaron today?

 

[bromtom]

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Who is the lad that has been training with Wes and Aaron today?

Dewhurst

 

[S40BLADE]

Dewhurst

Looks to have grown up abit and Im shocked that he is still only 19.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

Really hope it works out for him as well as us, seems like a real steady Eddy and a Blade to boot.
Welcome lad may your career with us be a long and extremely successful one........

 

[Bladesman]