Wilder is the modern day Clough

[Westran]

Sorry if this discussion has already taken place, elsewhere, its from a Wednesday fan and so I thought it was worth a discussion.

As the title says, my Wendy fan mate thinks Wilder can be best compared to Brian Clough more than any other manager.

Obvious comparisons there, what do you reckon?

 

[The Hobott]

A Wednesday fan mate of mine thinks the same.

 

[SittingontheBall]

Same bloke?

 

[DifferentClass]

In their delusional fantasy world Wilder is the new Clough alright... Nigel.

Meanwhile, they'll piss La Liga next season points deduction or no points deduction.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

When we've won the league & european cup, give it a year or 2.

 

[Ned the Donkey]

Wilder's much more Bill Shankly than Brian Clough.

Straight talking. Sense of humour, "If everyone were playing at the bottom of the garden I'd shut the curtains." And it's definitely a management team effort - we all recognise the contributions of Knill, Prestridge, and "the staff", Liverpool had The Boot Room.

If anyone's Clough it's probably Mourinho. Inflated ego. Not shy of telling you how good he is. But big trophies to go with it. Then faded. Clough did it at Forest though. That's the biggest difference.

 

[Harry's Game]

Brian Clough wasn’t the same after Peter Taylor left.

Don‘t underestimate the importance of Alan Knill.

 

[CoatesyBlade]

I’ve used the comparison a few times. Similar values, great motivators, great assistants backing them up... and doing wonders with un-fancied teams.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Not my era so I could be wrong but I was thinking the same as Ned the Donkey. Wilder seems alot more humble and not after the attention.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Sorry if this discussion has already taken place, elsewhere, its from a Wednesday fan and so I thought it was worth a discussion.

As the title says, my Wendy fan mate thinks Wilder can be best compared to Brian Clough more than any other manager.

Obvious comparisons there, what do you reckon?

The PIG has read it on this forum - as usual the pigs are way behind reality.

UTB

 

[Guesty]

Wilder's much more Bill Shankly than Brian Clough.

Straight talking. Sense of humour, "If everyone were playing at the bottom of the garden I'd shut the curtains." And it's definitely a management team effort - we all recognise the contributions of Knill, Prestridge, and "the staff", Liverpool had The Boot Room.

If anyone's Clough it's probably Mourinho. Inflated ego. Not shy of telling you how good he is. But big trophies to go with it. Then faded. Clough did it at Forest though. That's the biggest difference.

That's disappointing then. Shankly never won the European Cup...

 

[1066blade]

Not my era so I could be wrong but I was thinking the same as Ned the Donkey. Wilder seems alot more humble and not after the attention.

It was definitely my era. Ned has it spot on, Wilder would never self promote, (to the extent of toe curling embarrassment), the way Clough did. He isn't that similar to Shankley either (who I think was a touch acerbic and removed), no, what Wilder is, is a quite unique variant of those two down to earth brilliant managers. Sports writers with far more intellectual skills than I have, will be writing about Wilder's unique skills in years to come.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Wilder's much more Bill Shankly than Brian Clough.

Straight talking. Sense of humour, "If everyone were playing at the bottom of the garden I'd shut the curtains." And it's definitely a management team effort - we all recognise the contributions of Knill, Prestridge, and "the staff", Liverpool had The Boot Room.

If anyone's Clough it's probably Mourinho. Inflated ego. Not shy of telling you how good he is. But big trophies to go with it. Then faded. Clough did it at Forest though. That's the biggest difference.

I think Shankly said, " If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden I would shut the curtains ".

 

[DronnieBlade]

Love Clough Snr. A true great of his era.

Honestly.

Wilder has forgotten more about the beautiful game the BC ever knew.

Bit like athletic world records. Every generation improves on the previous. A constant evolution !

UTB

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I think Shankly said, " If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden I would shut the curtains ".

That'll be the spell check then

 

[Ned the Donkey]

I think Shankly said, " If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden I would shut the curtains ".

Oh bollocks. Yes. That's what I tried to type.

Cheers. And apologies to Bill Shankly.

 

[Ned the Donkey]

That'll be the spell check then

Ducking spell check

 

[CarlMcBlade]

As men Clough and Wilder are like chalk and cheese. Clough was much more arrogant than Wilder and although his style of management was a more confrontational with players and media alike, he confounded this by having a light touch and a hands off approach.
Now If you compared Clough/Taylor with Wilder/ Knill.....This is much nearer the mark.
Both built teams from players nobody else fancied or in most cases had never even heard of. They also both had/have fondness for playing the game down the flanks and love players that can cross a ball. Their teams had/have a collective work ethic that far exceed players individual talents. It maybe early days for Chris Wilders team, but in so many ways our rapid rise and buccaneering style of play is so reminiscent of Nottingham Forest of the mid to late 70s.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

And when we've won the league and FA cup
the England boss is going to ring us up
and tell us he wants a team just like the team
that plays at Bramall lane..... .UTB

 

[SelbyBlade]

Wilder's much more Bill Shankly than Brian Clough.

Straight talking. Sense of humour, "If everyone were playing at the bottom of the garden I'd shut the curtains." And it's definitely a management team effort - we all recognise the contributions of Knill, Prestridge, and "the staff", Liverpool had The Boot Room.

If anyone's Clough it's probably Mourinho. Inflated ego. Not shy of telling you how good he is. But big trophies to go with it. Then faded. Clough did it at Forest though. That's the biggest difference.

I think drink had something to do with Clough fading if you ever listened to the story Dean Saunders tells about him when he was going to sign for Forest.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Wednesday fan mate? Like how you managed to get an oxymoron and a blue and white moron in the same sentence.

 

[blade too long]

wilder to mcgoldrick
now then , young man, now you've found the net I want that every game now

 

[Shoes_On]

I always think of Wilder as the next Fergie

 

[Ned the Donkey]

I think drink had something to do with Clough fading if you ever listened to the story Dean Saunders tells about him when he was going to sign for Forest.

I think that story's a load of bollocks young man.

Eyewitness calls bullshit on THAT Brian Clough-Dean Saunders story

Not so fast.

www.joe.co.uk

 

[tomtheblade]

I always think of Wilder as the next Fergie

This is much more accurate I think. I'm too young for Clough's era but his ego is very apparent, with precisely the opposite of Wilder who is very humble.
Ferguson was always confident, assertive and even bullish, but not big-headed, and was good at making the game simple for his players. I think Wilder has this approach too.

All that said, ultimately Wilder is Wilder. He's his own man, and should be respected as such. I think he's the type that other, later managers will be compared to, such is his distinct character and vision.

 

[DifferentClass]

I think that story's a load of bollocks young man.

Eyewitness calls bullshit on THAT Brian Clough-Dean Saunders story

Not so fast.

www.joe.co.uk

My favourite Clough story involves him inviting Mark Crossley to the training ground at 7am following a big cup match where he apparently had the game of his life. Clough then tells Crossley... to play in goal for Simon the newsagent's Sunday league side!

 

[jockdodds]

My favourite Clough story involves him inviting Mark Crossley to the training ground at 7am following a big cup match where he apparently had the game of his life. Clough then tells Crossley... to play in goal for Simon the newsagent's Sunday league side!