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The princes daughter was going to be over seeing the team if I remember right. doesn't sound good for them though
 
I did wonder why Carla Ward has left the team since I thought she was well thought of? I hope that they continue to improve push for promotion.
 
I was hoping the Carla Ward/Chris Wilder similarities would continue. The first priority is of course the mens game, but it wouldnt hurt to have both sides at the top level.
 
Hope they get someone in who's a good role model with a bit of personality for young girls/women who might be new to the game.
 
Harry's Game said:
I hope this isn’t the end of the women’s side, I’m not particularly interested in the women’s game but Covid related or not this will be spun badly in the media with having Saudi owners.
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I think the issues facing the women’s game will come to a head sooner or later....it feels like it’s at a cross road.
Ive heard it said by some women that they wish to break away from the FA and either join the mens premier league or become totally financially independent.
The PL have recently announced that’s it’s not the right time to bring the women‘s league under their umbrella.
The problem is that even with massive promotion and advertising theres currently little money in the women’s game, average gates in the top flight are 1000 to 1500 when they charge £10. They’ve tried numerous free ticket promotions when a crowd will rise to over 30,000 but the next match when there’s a charge the attendance is back down to 1,000 again,

Basically the women’s game is a charity and needs continuous financial help from the parent club. If there are financial issues due to covid19 then tough decisions need to be made and the finance people would probably say it’s logical to cut expenditure in the women’s side.
 
Sheffsteel said:
I think the issues facing the women’s game will come to a head sooner or later....it feels like it’s at a cross road.
Ive heard it said by some women that they wish to break away from the FA and either join the mens premier league or become totally financially independent.
The PL have recently announced that’s it’s not the right time to bring the women‘s league under their umbrella.
The problem is that even with massive promotion and advertising theres currently little money in the women’s game, average gates in the top flight are 1000 to 1500 when they charge £10. They’ve tried numerous free ticket promotions when a crowd will rise to over 30,000 but the next match when there’s a charge the attendance is back down to 1,000 again,

Basically the women’s game is a charity and needs continuous financial help from the parent club. If there are financial issues due to covid19 then tough decisions need to be made and the finance people would probably say it’s logical to cut expenditure in the women’s side.
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Problem with woman's football is it suffers so much compared to the men’s game due to the difference in pace and physicality. Athletics made the decision decades ago to slightly tweak things for womens events i.e lighter shotputs and discuss, lower hurdles etc, pentathlon and Heptahlon instead of Decathlon and it made for a better more entertaining product.

But to even suggest that they consider moving to a lighter ball, smaller pitch, Slightly smaller goals You are accused of sexism when actually it would make a better spectacle for the fans.
 
Harry's Game said:
Problem with woman's football is it suffers so much compared to the men’s game due to the difference in pace and physicality. Athletics made the decision decades ago to slightly tweak things for womens events i.e lighter shotputs and discuss, lower hurdles etc, pentathlon and Heptahlon instead of Decathlon and it made for a better more entertaining product.

But to even suggest that they consider moving to a lighter ball, smaller pitch, Slightly smaller goals You are accused of sexism when actually it would make a better spectacle for the fans.
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It’s also run appallingly in some aspects.

Unfortunately the infrastructure doesn’t support full professionalism but the top level demands it. I know an ex player who couldn’t commit to training through work commitments - but was a better player than most who were picked up by Premier League clubs a few years ago. Like much amateur representative sides, the early intake of players followed coaches who knew them and it was very cliquey.

It’s improving, but there’s a long way to go - and because they are trying to accelerate it there are many growing pains just on the edge of the elite as a result.
 
Harry's Game said:
Problem with woman's football is it suffers so much compared to the men’s game due to the difference in pace and physicality. Athletics made the decision decades ago to slightly tweak things for womens events i.e lighter shotputs and discuss, lower hurdles etc, pentathlon and Heptahlon instead of Decathlon and it made for a better more entertaining product.

But to even suggest that they consider moving to a lighter ball, smaller pitch, Slightly smaller goals You are accused of sexism when actually it would make a better spectacle for the fans.
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It's not so much that changing the pitch/goals is "sexist" as much as you can easily alter track and field events for different competitors. If they use smaller goals, for instance, they'd potentially be blocking themselves from playing on everything from parks to major stadiums as you'd need to replaced the goalposts between games (which might be prohibitive given it requires digging holes). If you use a smaller pitch you'd need to remark and set new posts every game.

Even if there's way to make it workable it might still be a nightmare logistically. And when their resources for finding places to train and play are already limited, and with a history of the FA literally banning them from playing in major stadiums for decades, it's not an appealing idea right now.

I know the women's game isn't the highest standard but we do have to remember we intentionally hobbled it for years while the men's game grew into a multi-billion pound industry. Offering it some support now to see how much it can catch up seems fair enough.
 
PokerBlade said:
It's not so much that changing the pitch/goals is "sexist" as much as you can easily alter track and field events for different competitors. If they use smaller goals, for instance, they'd potentially be blocking themselves from playing on everything from parks to major stadiums as you'd need to replaced the goalposts between games (which might be prohibitive given it requires digging holes). If you use a smaller pitch you'd need to remark and set new posts every game.

Even if there's way to make it workable it might still be a nightmare logistically. And when their resources for finding places to train and play are already limited, and with a history of the FA literally banning them from playing in major stadiums for decades, it's not an appealing idea right now.

I know the women's game isn't the highest standard but we do have to remember we intentionally hobbled it for years while the men's game grew into a multi-billion pound industry. Offering it some support now to see how much it can catch up seems fair enough.
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Didn't Stoke alter their pitch to make it bigger when they were in Europe, due to the different pitch regulations? I dont think it will be so much of an issue with modern technology really, especially as most grounds have sprinklers that pop from under the pitch. Also teams have been sharing with rugby clubs for years, so logistically it shouldn't be too much of an issue. The other alternative to smaller pitches and goals, is shorter games so 70/80 minute games.
 



PokerBlade said:
It's not so much that changing the pitch/goals is "sexist" as much as you can easily alter track and field events for different competitors. If they use smaller goals, for instance, they'd potentially be blocking themselves from playing on everything from parks to major stadiums as you'd need to replaced the goalposts between games (which might be prohibitive given it requires digging holes). If you use a smaller pitch you'd need to remark and set new posts every game.

Even if there's way to make it workable it might still be a nightmare logistically. And when their resources for finding places to train and play are already limited, and with a history of the FA literally banning them from playing in major stadiums for decades, it's not an appealing idea right now.

I know the women's game isn't the highest standard but we do have to remember we intentionally hobbled it for years while the men's game grew into a multi-billion pound industry. Offering it some support now to see how much it can catch up seems fair enough.
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Maybe some of that money could go towards dedicated infrastructure then I see the issue with smaller goals but on pitch size most park pitches are quite small anyway so that shouldn’t be too much of a issue as I wasn’t thinking of altering the size of penalty areas.

A woman’s ball could be produced relative easily I would have thought, as I said ladies shot puts, discuss etc are already produced.
 
PokerBlade said:
It's not so much that changing the pitch/goals is "sexist" as much as you can easily alter track and field events for different competitors. If they use smaller goals, for instance, they'd potentially be blocking themselves from playing on everything from parks to major stadiums as you'd need to replaced the goalposts between games (which might be prohibitive given it requires digging holes). If you use a smaller pitch you'd need to remark and set new posts every game.

Even if there's way to make it workable it might still be a nightmare logistically. And when their resources for finding places to train and play are already limited, and with a history of the FA literally banning them from playing in major stadiums for decades, it's not an appealing idea right now.

I know the women's game isn't the highest standard but we do have to remember we intentionally hobbled it for years while the men's game grew into a multi-billion pound industry. Offering it some support now to see how much it can catch up seems fair enough.
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You don’t have to dig holes for goals, you can get free standing nets. And these are already commonly used for age group football and small sided games where smaller goals are needed.
Most women’s football is also played on AstroTurf where smaller pitches are also marked out already in a different colour (not that it would be hard to mark out a smaller pitch on grass)
 
Harry's Game said:
Problem with woman's football is it suffers so much compared to the men’s game due to the difference in pace and physicality. Athletics made the decision decades ago to slightly tweak things for womens events i.e lighter shotputs and discuss, lower hurdles etc, pentathlon and Heptahlon instead of Decathlon and it made for a better more entertaining product.

But to even suggest that they consider moving to a lighter ball, smaller pitch, Slightly smaller goals You are accused of sexism when actually it would make a better spectacle for the fans.
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Some sports/events modify. Some don't.

Should women play tennis on a smaller court with smaller racquets, lighter balls etc.

Should they run shorter marathons?

Argument doesn't bear scrutiny.

The way I see it lighter balls, smaller pitch and the like is just trying to get them to play Men's Football Lite.

Women's football with standard size equipment is fine. Let them play the game they want in the way they want. I enjoy watching the top level games precisely because it's not a shit version of the men's game, it's a good version of a cousin of the men's game. More space, more time, less diving (mostly), just more football.

Smash the Patriarchy Sisters!
 
PokerBlade said:
I know the women's game isn't the highest standard but we do have to remember we intentionally hobbled it for years while the men's game grew into a multi-billion pound industry. Offering it some support now to see how much it can catch up seems fair enough.
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True but the women’s game is already receiving massive support.
The BBC are constantly using positive discrimination and have massively promoted it for years. They are constantly trying to make women’s football fashionable but there doesn’t seem to be any real demand......it’s probably on a par with Sheffield FC and Hallam FC in the non league.

Agree we should try to help but how long should a parent club financially support a women’s club?
I reckon most football clubs will continuously support their women’s teams but only on a low budget....don’t think theres going to be any big investment.
Ideally there should be investment but we live in a financial world and i don't think women’s football will ever bring in much income.
 
Part of me thinks they should let women play in the men's game. Seem some women play that would floor a lot of men 🤣 .

But in all seriousness, it would be a real shame to see the women's team affected next season by this as they have worked so hard to get where they are (like the men's team). I was so glad when they brought the women's team officially into the umbrella of Sheffield United F.C.. Because it showed that we are progressing as a club and that we really are UNITED in the fact we are no longer limited to just letting 49% of the population play for our club. So I hope something gets sorted soon and good luck Carla!
 
Harry's Game said:
Maybe some of that money could go towards dedicated infrastructure then I see the issue with smaller goals but on pitch size most park pitches are quite small anyway so that shouldn’t be too much of a issue as I wasn’t thinking of altering the size of penalty areas.

A woman’s ball could be produced relative easily I would have thought, as I said ladies shot puts, discuss etc are already produced.
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For me, the goal size is the thing to consider given the average height of a woman keeper is about three inches shorter than a man, but really I'm happy to just leave it to the women who play the game to figure out what's best.

s4-blade said:
You don’t have to dig holes for goals, you can get free standing nets. And these are already commonly used for age group football and small sided games where smaller goals are needed.
Most women’s football is also played on AstroTurf where smaller pitches are also marked out already in a different colour (not that it would be hard to mark out a smaller pitch on grass)
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Yeah, fair point, I wonder how much is just an optics thing that if the women's team play at the Lane, say, then how does it look to remark the pitch and quite literally move the goalposts. It's a tough call. Also my experience of amateur sport is that however simple something sounds in principle it still leads to problems in practice so maybe I'm just overly pessimistic.
 
Sabella's Socks said:
Some sports/events modify. Some don't.

Should women play tennis on a smaller court with smaller racquets, lighter balls etc.

Should they run shorter marathons?

Argument doesn't bear scrutiny.

The way I see it lighter balls, smaller pitch and the like is just trying to get them to play Men's Football Lite.

Women's football with standard size equipment is fine. Let them play the game they want in the way they want. I enjoy watching the top level games precisely because it's not a shit version of the men's game, it's a good version of a cousin of the men's game. More space, more time, less diving (mostly), just more football.

Smash the Patriarchy Sisters!
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Aren't womens tennis matches normally shorter than mens? 3 sets rather than 5 for men? The courts/equipment are the same, but the length of the matches are shorter
 
Sabella's Socks said:
Some sports/events modify. Some don't.

Should women play tennis on a smaller court with smaller racquets, lighter balls etc.

Should they run shorter marathons?

Argument doesn't bear scrutiny.

The way I see it lighter balls, smaller pitch and the like is just trying to get them to play Men's Football Lite.

Women's football with standard size equipment is fine. Let them play the game they want in the way they want. I enjoy watching the top level games precisely because it's not a shit version of the men's game, it's a good version of a cousin of the men's game. More space, more time, less diving (mostly), just more football.

Smash the Patriarchy Sisters!
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Women do use lighter balls in tennis.
 
JackGreg said:
Aren't womens tennis matches normally shorter than mens? 3 sets rather than 5 for men? The courts/equipment are the same, but the length of the matches are shorter
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At the grand slams. Four events per season out of maybe twenty - although they are the showpiece events. Women use lighter balls with less fuzz on them that helps the balls travel through the air faster. The male players hit with much more power. Serena Williams would struggle to reach the top hundred in men's tennis. The interesting thing about women's tennis is that it does generate a comparable amount of wealth to the men's game. In the 90s it actually generated more wealth.
 
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Sheffsteel said:
True but the women’s game is already receiving massive support.
The BBC are constantly using positive discrimination and have massively promoted it for years. They are constantly trying to make women’s football fashionable but there doesn’t seem to be any real demand......it’s probably on a par with Sheffield FC and Hallam FC in the non league.

Agree we should try to help but how long should a parent club financially support a women’s club?
I reckon most football clubs will continuously support their women’s teams but only on a low budget....don’t think theres going to be any big investment.
Ideally there should be investment but we live in a financial world and i don't think women’s football will ever bring in much income.
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I get all that, but we're also talking about undoing decades of damage for a sport that's only really been promoted since probably the early 2000's. And the problem is that in that time the men's game became the world's biggest sport, with tons of money, tons of coverage, the best competitors, the best training facilities, and real prospects for youth to make a career out of it. It's a bit like trying to start a new online shop like Amazon now that Amazon's already had the chance to corner the market.

I don't know if that's a problem that can be overcome but I am fairly sure we haven't given it long enough yet. I don't see why football shouldn't be like plenty of other sports where the women's game does just fine even it is behind the men's.

One idea that I think someone told me some rugby clubs do is play the women's game before the men's. So for those who get to the ground early, there'd be a game on to watch. In my ideal world I do that as well as make drinking legal in the stands. I'd definitely watch our women's team with a pint before a Prem game.
 
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