Sander Berge

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Bruce Wayne said:
He looked so slow. Needs work on fitness, ball skills good.
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He's a nice footballer but unfortunately paceless. Grealish is a class footballer but he breezed past him far too easily on numerous occasions.
 
Fabinho looked a lot less than sparkling in his early days at Liverpool. He’s now the best CDM in the division. And he was coming from one of the best teams in France not Belgium. That’s one example off the top of my head and I could certainly go on.

Cut the lad some slack, it’s boring how quickly we write players off and are nearly always proven wrong
 
Chabuddy G said:
Umpteen champions league games, being closely monitored by the very best clubs in Europe and being purchased for £20mil suggests yes, he is very good. What a daft comment.
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In 1998 Denilson became the most expensive player in the world. At the end of his first season his new team, Betis, were relegated.

The price tag didn't make him a better player, and the scouting failed.
 
Berge just looks uncommitted. Looks like he's used to pre-season speed. Trots about. Makes a half-hearted effort, but then stops. Not sure whether it's lack of belief, lack of fitness or laziness. At least Lunny is game and runs around.

McBurnie didn't have a great game but there were another 7or 8 players equally not great. He did show a few good things.
 
These are all the same things that people used to say about Couttsy before it clicked for him.

Give him a chance, he's hardly played. Not to mention having to settle into a new country with coronavirus in between.
 
Guesty said:
In 1998 Denilson became the most expensive player in the world. At the end of his first season his new team, Betis, were relegated.

The price tag didn't make him a better player, and the scouting failed.
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The champions league games and international caps?

You’re writing him off as not very good after less than 300 minutes, are you on crack?
 
On the occasions we've now seen him play, it's becoming clearer that he doesn't fit into our current system. Let's not kid ourselves. He is obviously an immense talent and I'm sure he'd be excellent in another set-up, perhaps Serie A, but our whole success is built upon every single one of our players having tenacity and a desire to win every ball. I'd cut our losses in the summer and accept we've made the wrong move. Things go wrong with signings, even if they are record ones.
 
BladeInAustria said:
On the occasions we've now seen him play, it's becoming clearer that he doesn't fit into our current system. Let's not kid ourselves. He is obviously an immense talent and I'm sure he'd be excellent in another set-up, perhaps Serie A, but our whole success is built upon every single one of our players having tenacity and a desire to win every ball. I'd cut our losses in the summer and accept we've made the wrong move. Things go wrong with signings, even if they are record ones.
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He’s played under 300 minutes in the best league in world in one of the most complex systems in the world. Jesus Christ.
 
Chabuddy G said:
The champions league games and international caps?

You’re writing him off as not very good after less than 300 minutes, are you on crack?
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OK, he's not terrible good at football at the moment, how's that?

Denilson had an OK career, but he was never even remotely the best player in the world, which is what you'd expect from such a high fee. Not to forget that the team he signed for were relegated that season, so he was clearly the wrong fit. My point is, sometimes the scouts are wrong and sometimes people over pay for players.
 
Guesty said:
OK, he's not terrible good at football at the moment, how's that?

Denilson had an OK career, but he was never even remotely the best player in the world, which is what you'd expect from such a high fee. Not to forget that the team he signed for were relegated that season, so he was clearly the wrong fit. My point is, sometimes the scouts are wrong and sometimes people over pay for players.
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He’s played under 300 minutes for one of the teams with the most complex systems in world football, in a completely new country, in a new position to him, in the best league in the world.

Cut him a bit of slack. Fuck me.
 
We really missed Fleck. Lunny and Berge too similar and couldn’t get near little tricky little midfielders. Has Berge been on the weights to keep fit ? Looked a bit immobile today. I still say he needs a Wilder pre season.
 

Chabuddy G said:
He’s played under 300 minutes for one of the teams with the most complex systems in world football, in a completely new country, in a new position to him, in the best league in the world.

Cut him a bit of slack. Fuck me.
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I did cut him some slack! I said he hasn't been good so far!

I admit he might get better. My contention is that he isn't good simply because he cost a lot of money, or because he was being scouted a lot.
 
Unfortunately for Berge I think his best position would probably be in the Norwood role. But Ollie ain’t gonna get dropped any time soon. He‘s not a box to box man, nor Is he tenacious tackler, but I do think he could pick a pass.
 
Chabuddy G said:
He’s played under 300 minutes in the best league in world in one of the most complex systems in the world. Jesus Christ.
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I'd love to be proven wrong, but unless we are planning to completely change our system, then how long are we prepared to keep playing a player who is so out of sync with our tactical play?
 
Chabuddy G said:
No you said ‘he isn’t terribly good at football is he?’ which is a reach of incredible proportions
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I did, then I amended it to 'he isn't terribly good so far' which is cutting him some slack. Because what I'm say this is, he hasn't been very good (cos he hasn't) but he might get better.
 
We know Berge's best position is probably in the middle but we're not going to drop Norwood for him. He just needs time.
 
He has to play a deep lying role for me, he doesn't have the pace to play anywhere else. I do think eventually he will come good, but only in the Norwood role. That is going to be Wilder's big problem/decision.
 
I think what we learnt today is that a midfield of Berge and Lunny doesn't work

i think either Freeman or Didzy should have started with either Berge or Lunny
 
Deano said:
I was really pleased when we signed Berge. I saw it as a statement of intent given his reputation. However he has been really poor so far - ponderous, slow and lacking determination. He may still come good and I really hope he does.
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It's the lack of determination that worries me most. Doesn't seem to want it, or to compete or put himself about.

It's OK to lack match fitness, sharpness or whatever but I thought he'd have shown stronger character. He seems a bit daunted by everything. Even when he receives the ball, he looks to get rid of it, safely, as quickly as possible.

He doesn't move off the ball, Baldock looked really frustrated by this in the 2nd half. He doesn't make himself available, or make a purposeful run to drag a defender away to create space. He just stands there.

There was a couple of occasions when the ball went up in the air & he was really nesh challenging for it. He's a unit at 6'4, he should be making it his.

Maybe our system isn't suited to him. I don't know. But it isn't working.

Wilder's not daft, he'll see what we're seeing. I don't expect him to be in the XI again next match.
 

He's not playing his usual position which is a deep lying CM. Taking the pass from a defender and finding simple balls into the attacking players.


At the moment at least he doesn't have the athleticism and pace to be a box to box mid (eg Debruyne) or the reading of the game and tenacity to be a Def mid (eg Kante)

The issue is the Norwood role is his more natural position.

It's still early days but I think he needs to show more desire to get forward and play killer balls and also to use his physical attributes to impose himself more in games.

People shouldn't be so quick to write the lad off. It's quite embarrassing tbh.
 
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