It's fucking shit

[HighfieldBlade]

......Corona virus ffs its glorified flue

Glorified flue? You can stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I can not find any eggs to buy either. Hate it.

Give it a few weeks, bird's will soon be nesting. I know where there's a Blackie's with 6 eggs in it.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

The article below was posted on the BBC website earlier today with the title "Are we over-egging the coronavirus threat?". Interesting that they've now changed the title to "Coronavirus deaths, what we don't know". I suspect they've been told to change it.

The bottom line is this - the reason for the total lockdown is based largely on a set of numbers, derived from mathematical modelling, by Imperial College in London. These numbers look pretty alarming. This article gives a perspective on this and the comparison with flu.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

Do I think the situation is being "over-egged" ? - yes, I do actually. But tbh, I've no issue with the measures taken to control it, because at least this way it will be sorted out quicker and less lives will be lost.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

It’s worse than flu in general they think. In Individuals that are critically ill, they think it’s triggering an overwhelming immune response whereby healthy cells are attacked - a so called cytokine storm. Interestingly that’s why think men are more impacted than women as they tend to have a stronger immune response, and kids are generally more a symptomatic as theirs is usually weaker.

Yes that description fits pneumonia.
The immune system attacks the lung tissue and causes inflammation.
Treatment is intense. High dose steroids (3,000mg solumedrol) and possible inturbation.
Hence the problem we are faced with when the incidence rate is high.

 

[HD8 Blades]

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[Deleted member 1486]

The biggest surprise to me has been the discovery that the entire population of the internet have all studied virology. Who knew?

 

[singaporeblade]

Went out to Malaysia to start on a 6 month contract and then the Malaysian government deemed that all ''non essential'' work - i.e. non-producing - had to stopped indefinitely. Work lasted 2 days and back home i came.

 

[singaporeblade]

Don't know if i'm coming or going at the moment

 

[Freethinker]

Dangerous how? It has a lower mortality rate

Did you not read his post?

 

[Bobby b]

It's only been a week it feels like 6 month

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Did you not read his post?

No, I guessed

 

[A Storm of Blades]

The biggest surprise to me has been the discovery that the entire population of the internet have all studied virology. Who knew?

If that were the case, there’d be bogroll on the shelves.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Yes that description fits pneumonia.
The immune system attacks the lung tissue and causes inflammation.
Treatment is intense. High dose steroids (3,000mg solumedrol) and possible inturbation.
Hence the problem we are faced with when the incidence rate is high.

Good knowledge, thanks

 

[Westran]

Can you imagine if we get through this by say mid July, football back on, 2 games a week, blistering sunshine with beer flowing and hanging out with our mates again?! Going into work every day under extreme pressure, this is the thought keeping me going.

 

[ilovesufc]

No. It isn’t. It shares some characteristics with influenza but there are some critical differences. Flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%, COVID-19 is likely 6-10x higher, and that’s just the start of the problem. The severity comes from the number of people that could be hospitalised, as seen in Asia and Italy. We have 8 ICU hospital beds for 100k people in this country, but latest models put the number needed at 300 per 100k.

That means we’re about 190k ICU beds short, let alone effective face masks or protective equipment for the NHS. This has the ability to collapse a country’s healthcare system. And that’s not to mention the healthcare workforce getting ill and not being able to work, or resources being diverted from those in need of cancer treatment, or a crucial organ transplant. That’s why everything moved so quickly, as Imperial College London modelled late last week that if urgent measures weren’t taken, we could be looking at 250k deaths.

It’a absolutely nothing to do with how hard you are

The 250k deaths is actually a very misleading figure. That model doesn't factor in how many of those deaths would be very likely to occur anyway (which is a very high figure given that it is mainly older people or those with existing health conditions who are dying from coronavirus). When you're given the stats for seasonal flu, which total approx 8000 deaths per year, that figure factors in the above, meaning the 8000 figure are specifically additional deaths directly resulting from the flu virus. So you cannot compare the two. If the flu death figures weren't factored, it would also be an extremely scary number. We have to be careful not to overreact here and these kind of news stories, which don't actually set out the full facts, are contributing to the mass worldwide panic we're having. This is why the death numbers in Italy are very high, given their aging population. Again, they are not factored.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Take everyone rushing to supermarkets at the same time and emptying shelves, now swap bogroll and hand sanitiser for ICU beds, ventilators and highly trained staff. That’s why we need to isolate and flatten the curve.

Take more than this to flatten my curves

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

It's great we've got geniuses like you two around to tell the scientists how logic works.

I feel much better knowing this isn't a fatal pandemic, we're just a bit nesh.

We’re nesh as an Arsenal import

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Good knowledge, thanks

Learnt the hard way unfortunately

 

[petcharlie]

My shoplifting/druggie neighbour as of 11pm as started playing music very loudly.

Must be getting to him not having owt in shops left to nick,bastard panic buyers.

I had a neighbour like that ,loud music at midnight when I had to get up for work at 04.00 am .Soon cured him on my mega stereo at 04.00 am Silence is golden by the Tremaloas on full power.Unfortunately It was so loud it woke half of Sheffield up to but it cured them.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

I had a neighbour like that ,loud music at midnight when I had to get up for work at 04.00 am .Soon cured him on my mega stereo at 04.00 am Silence is golden by the Tremaloas on full power.Unfortunately It was so loud it woke half of Sheffield up to but it cured them.

We had similar. Neighbours who would get drunk and then argue and shout (waking the entire street up) until 4-5am.

I'd give them half-an-hour to fall asleep, place my speakers against their wall and let them appreciate my sound system for a few hours.

If I had to go to work without any sleep I was damned if they were going to get any.

 

[Bearlie]

Iam self isolating on day 4 of 14. Iam a bit worried about having to go back to work as Plusnet are staying open. Risking my health but the company just make us sit by each other. Hopefully they will figure out a way us to work from home. As for football, forget it, we wont be seeing that for a long long time. On a side note, Italian doctors say its worse than flu for many people and is more like chronic pneumonia.

Do you want to borrow a mask ?

 

[Bearlie]

No. It isn’t. It shares some characteristics with influenza but there are some critical differences. Flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%, COVID-19 is likely 6-10x higher, and that’s just the start of the problem. The severity comes from the number of people that could be hospitalised, as seen in Asia and Italy. We have 8 ICU hospital beds for 100k people in this country, but latest models put the number needed at 300 per 100k.

That means we’re about 190k ICU beds short, let alone effective face masks or protective equipment for the NHS. This has the ability to collapse a country’s healthcare system. And that’s not to mention the healthcare workforce getting ill and not being able to work, or resources being diverted from those in need of cancer treatment, or a crucial organ transplant. That’s why everything moved so quickly, as Imperial College London modelled late last week that if urgent measures weren’t taken, we could be looking at 250k deaths.

It’a absolutely nothing to do with how hard you are

If I start suffering from insomnia I'll give thi a bell

 

[alcoblade]

Sam Smith would be in a reight tangle.

They wouldn’t.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

The 250k deaths is actually a very misleading figure. That model doesn't factor in how many of those deaths would be very likely to occur anyway (which is a very high figure given that it is mainly older people or those with existing health conditions who are dying from coronavirus). When you're given the stats for seasonal flu, which total approx 8000 deaths per year, that figure factors in the above, meaning the 8000 figure are specifically additional deaths directly resulting from the flu virus. So you cannot compare the two. If the flu death figures weren't factored, it would also be an extremely scary number. We have to be careful not to overreact here and these kind of news stories, which don't actually set out the full facts, are contributing to the mass worldwide panic we're having. This is why the death numbers in Italy are very high, given their aging population. Again, they are not factored.

Sorry that’s not quite right. Whilst I see your point, it’s akin to saying a percentage of those that are killed in a terror attack would have died by some other means anyway, therefore we should absorb the numbers. UCL have professors that have dedicated their careers to this expertise, and at least 2 pandemic preparedness think-tanks worked on the modelling, and they fully hit the panic-button last week resulting in a speed of mobilisation few have seen across government in a lifetime.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

If I start suffering from insomnia I'll give thi a bell

Ha!

 

[Bladepicker]

It would be an interesting comparison to see the reaction these days if Aids surfaced now, with no cure. Sam Smith would be in a reight tangle.

They wouldn’t.

It would solve 'their' yo yo weight problems.....

 

[Bladepicker]

The 250k deaths is actually a very misleading figure. That model doesn't factor in how many of those deaths would be very likely to occur anyway (which is a very high figure given that it is mainly older people or those with existing health conditions who are dying from coronavirus). When you're given the stats for seasonal flu, which total approx 8000 deaths per year, that figure factors in the above, meaning the 8000 figure are specifically additional deaths directly resulting from the flu virus. So you cannot compare the two. If the flu death figures weren't factored, it would also be an extremely scary number. We have to be careful not to overreact here and these kind of news stories, which don't actually set out the full facts, are contributing to the mass worldwide panic we're having. This is why the death numbers in Italy are very high, given their aging population. Again, they are not factored.

We are nowhere near the numbers infected or critical in Italy yet and we already have one hospital full in London and I know at Royal Derby they have had to exoand the ICU into the 'step down' wards already.

They've never had to do that for flu.

While I understand the need to not panic as approximately 80 percent of those that get it won't need hospital, it is worse than fucking flu and the measures we are taking my be on thd extreme side but it is not an overreaction in my opinion given the facts we do know.

 

[diplomat]

No. It isn’t. It shares some characteristics with influenza but there are some critical differences. Flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%, COVID-19 is likely 6-10x higher, and that’s just the start of the problem. The severity comes from the number of people that could be hospitalised, as seen in Asia and Italy. We have 8 ICU hospital beds for 100k people in this country, but latest models put the number needed at 300 per 100k.

That means we’re about 190k ICU beds short, let alone effective face masks or protective equipment for the NHS. This has the ability to collapse a country’s healthcare system. And that’s not to mention the healthcare workforce getting ill and not being able to work, or resources being diverted from those in need of cancer treatment, or a crucial organ transplant. That’s why everything moved so quickly, as Imperial College London modelled late last week that if urgent measures weren’t taken, we could be looking at 250k deaths.

It’a absolutely nothing to do with how hard you are

Well said. My uncle was about to have a potentially life saving cancer operation right now but they’ve all been shelved so basically in the time it takes to resolve this his cancer could and probably will spread and he might die. It’s really serious and anyone not recognising that yet is beyond dumb.

 

[Paulus]

The 250k deaths is actually a very misleading figure. That model doesn't factor in how many of those deaths would be very likely to occur anyway (which is a very high figure given that it is mainly older people or those with existing health conditions who are dying from coronavirus). When you're given the stats for seasonal flu, which total approx 8000 deaths per year, that figure factors in the above, meaning the 8000 figure are specifically additional deaths directly resulting from the flu virus. So you cannot compare the two. If the flu death figures weren't factored, it would also be an extremely scary number. We have to be careful not to overreact here and these kind of news stories, which don't actually set out the full facts, are contributing to the mass worldwide panic we're having. This is why the death numbers in Italy are very high, given their aging population. Again, they are not factored.

whilst you are essentially correct in what you say here, it’s not just a one way adjustment. In China from official figures about 14% of diagnosed cases required hospital treatment, most of these recovered but we can pretty much assume that requiring hospital treatment meant that the vast majority had pneumonia. Unfortunately pneumonia leaves permanent scarring in the lungs. These people may have recovered but will have significant ongoing health concerns, I speak from experience.

 

[Bearlie]

The 250k deaths is actually a very misleading figure. That model doesn't factor in how many of those deaths would be very likely to occur anyway (which is a very high figure given that it is mainly older people or those with existing health conditions who are dying from coronavirus). When you're given the stats for seasonal flu, which total approx 8000 deaths per year, that figure factors in the above, meaning the 8000 figure are specifically additional deaths directly resulting from the flu virus. So you cannot compare the two. If the flu death figures weren't factored, it would also be an extremely scary number. We have to be careful not to overreact here and these kind of news stories, which don't actually set out the full facts, are contributing to the mass worldwide panic we're having. This is why the death numbers in Italy are very high, given their aging population. Again, they are not factored.

A little bit of sense ( This is what I wanted to say but unfortunately I was failed by that thatchers 80s education )