Michael Oliver Ref For West Ham Game.

[ChipButtyBlade]

The first referee in this Prem League to actually use the pitch side monitor to make a VAR desision (albeit in the FA Cup) upgrade a yellow card to a red card for a Palace player.




Have we got one of these pitch side monitor's where is it hiding.

 

[Houston_Blade]

It's ok, Kavanagh is the VAR ref so we'll be fine

 

[BushBlade]

I thought he was terrible when he started but he’s improved a lot and I think he’s a decent ref these days.

 

[ghandi]

I thought that he was only allowed to use the pitchside monitor as it was the FA Cup (FA's decision) and not the Premier League who have determined that pitchside monitors are not to be use in their competition.

 

[HalfwayBlade]

The first referee in this Prem League to actually use the pitch side monitor to make a VAR desision (albeit in the FA Cup) upgrade a yellow card to a red card for a Palace player.

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Have we got one of these pitch side monitor's where is it hiding.

Our pitch side monitor is on the half way line in front on the John St stand.

 

[guancheblade]

It's ok, Kavanagh is the VAR ref so we'll be fine

Hopefully he'll be keen to do us a favour after his mistake at the Etihad.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

As long as I live I'll never understand why people care who the referee is.

 

[Houston_Blade]

As long as I live I'll never understand why people care who the referee is.

I used to a few years ago when it was Poll, Elleray, Winter, Riley, Dean and other people who were obviously bullied at school and taking their inner trauma out on football players and fans on a weekly basis. I must admit that I've not massively noticed the refs this year apart from the City game.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I used to a few years ago when it was Poll, Elleray, Winter, Riley, Dean and other people who were obviously bullied at school and taking their inner trauma out on football players and fans on a weekly basis. I must admit that I've not massively noticed the refs this year apart from the City game.

They have no effect on the outcome of the game.

They're not biased and I genuinely believe they try their best at what is a very difficult job.

If we play well tomorrow we'll probably win, if we're crap we'll probably lose.

The referee is irrelevant.

In fact, they shouldn't even publish referee's names. They should be completely anonymous.

 

[Antonb]

Your right! In fact why have them at all!

 

[Houston_Blade]

They have no effect on the outcome of the game.

They're not biased and I genuinely believe they try their best at what is a very difficult job.

If we play well tomorrow we'll probably win, if we're crap we'll probably lose.

The referee is irrelevant.

In fact, they shouldn't even publish referee's names. They should be completely anonymous.

I agree, now all of the little Hitlers and celebrity refs have retired it's calmed down a lot. They're all a bit generic to me, apart from when they assist the opponent, he was a knobhead.

 

[guancheblade]

Your right! In fact why have them at all!

Lunchtime footy at school never suffered. 5-a-side with the boys after work same.

 

[tincan]

Our pitch side monitor is on the half way line in front on the John St stand.

But VARs room is the London Stadium, next to their brown paper envelope room, on bung street.

 

[CrookesBlade]

I agree, now all of the little Hitlers and celebrity refs have retired it's calmed down a lot. They're all a bit generic to me, apart from when they assist the opponent, he was a knobhead.

I'm generally of the opinion that refs try their best and get far more right than they get wrong. 'Celebrity refs' was definitely a thing though. Poll sticks in my mind as somebody determined to leave his mark on every game he took charge of. Also wanted to be on first name terms with top level players which led to some very inconsistent officiating......"go on Theirry you can take the kick quickly if you want, pal"etc.

Since then though they are mostly anonymous and all the better for it. Certainly no need to get the ruler out to work out which ground they live closest to before or match or indulge in internet conspiracy theories about them once being photographed wearing a Man Utd scarf.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

They have no effect on the outcome of the game.

They're not biased and I genuinely believe they try their best at what is a very difficult job.

If we play well tomorrow we'll probably win, if we're crap we'll probably lose.

The referee is irrelevant.

In fact, they shouldn't even publish referee's names. They should be completely anonymous.

When I was a kid never even knew the names of the refs just that none knew their fathers

 

[LoughboroBlade]

The first referee in this Prem League to actually use the pitch side monitor to make a VAR desision (albeit in the FA Cup) upgrade a yellow card to a red card for a Palace player.

Not actually true – Craig Pawson used the pitchside monitor two years to award a penalty for Liverpool in their cup game with West Brom.

I’m not convinced using these is actually much of an improvement – you would hope it might mean any overturning of decisions has a higher bar than the Stockley Park lot looking at it, but this remains to be seen. The whole thing is a mess, and it’s concerning that Premier League clubs don’t really appear to be seeing a need to significantly alter what’s been introduced.

 

[BushBlade]

Not actually true – Craig Pawson used the pitchside monitor two years to award a penalty for Liverpool in their cup game with West Brom.

I’m not convinced using these is actually much of an improvement – you would hope it might mean any overturning of decisions has a higher bar than the Stockley Park lot looking at it, but this remains to be seen. The whole thing is a mess, and it’s concerning that Premier League clubs don’t really appear to be seeing a need to significantly alter what’s been introduced.

That was during the ‘trial period’ if it was two years ago.

I’ve said it before but the refs in the Women’s World Cup made a real mess of VAR, spending ages looking at the monitors and then still giving questionable decisions. I can well imagine English refs watching and thinking ‘we can’t have this’. So instead of taking the time to train and educate refs to use it properly they just threw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[PokerBlade]

Not actually true – Craig Pawson used the pitchside monitor two years to award a penalty for Liverpool in their cup game with West Brom.

I’m not convinced using these is actually much of an improvement – you would hope it might mean any overturning of decisions has a higher bar than the Stockley Park lot looking at it, but this remains to be seen. The whole thing is a mess, and it’s concerning that Premier League clubs don’t really appear to be seeing a need to significantly alter what’s been introduced.

I don't see it changing much other than that the fans in the ground will have more understanding of what's going on. That's actually a positive to me but I think it undermines part of the people's hopes for VAR which was that the pressure on the ref would be reduced and the risk of decisions being affected that comes with that. If people were worried about refs succumbing to crowd pressure and bottling it to the big clubs before then I'm not sure how a ref standing and taking time to watch the video in front of everyone relieves that.

And my biggest problem by far with VAR is that it's slow. So now we're possibly making it slower by having a ref having to go over to a monitor and having presumably less control over what he's watching.

 

[Tezza1889]

Let’s have it straight, VAR is fine, it’s just the surgical way that offside is being interpreted, that is what’s ruining the match day experience, and the belief that second phase issues (mcgoldrick) wouldn’t apply to the big boys..

Make offside a linesman decision unless a blatant error is made by the lino, then VAR corrects, we shouldn’t be down to lunnys blurred toe or grealish’s heel, it’s football, just a form of entertainment, we’ve made it too precise to enjoy and are killing it as a live spectator sport..

VAR in its current form is for armchair supporters..

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[LoughboroBlade]

That was during the ‘trial period’ if it was two years ago.

I’ve said it before but the refs in the Women’s World Cup made a real mess of VAR, spending ages looking at the monitors and then still giving questionable decisions. I can well imagine English refs watching and thinking ‘we can’t have this’. So instead of taking the time to train and educate refs to use it properly they just threw the baby out with the bath water.

Yes it was.

Unfortunately I think it’s unlikely we’ll be seeing more than minor changes to VAR. There’s probably more likelihood of rule changes on things like offside than on how the tech is actually used.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

As long as I live I'll never understand why people care who the referee is.

What/where in the OP is anything mentioned about caring who about the Referee,

In case you missed it,i was pointing out a "first" that happened at the weekend with this particular referee..

 

[Stevo]

The first referee in this Prem League to actually use the pitch side monitor to make a VAR desision (albeit in the FA Cup) upgrade a yellow card to a red card for a Palace player.

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Have we got one of these pitch side monitor's where is it hiding.

It's probably black and white with an aerial on top which the 4 th official will have to hold and move to get a decent picture

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

Used to go to school with a lad called Michael Oliver, mind that 65 or more years ago, so I doubt it's him...…..

 

[ThatJa]

I thought that he was only allowed to use the pitchside monitor as it was the FA Cup (FA's decision) and not the Premier League who have determined that pitchside monitors are not to be use in their competition.

Correct

 

[Geordie Blade]

They have no effect on the outcome of the game.

They're not biased and I genuinely believe they try their best at what is a very difficult job.

If we play well tomorrow we'll probably win, if we're crap we'll probably lose.

The referee is irrelevant.

In fact, they shouldn't even publish referee's names. They should be completely anonymous.

There are definitely differences between the refs. Perhaps not in terms of bias, but certainly in terms of how they interpret certain rules, and where their threshold is for yellow cards, etc. Professional teams would be mad not to do their homework on each ref to know how it might affect the flow of the game.

 

[davidblade]

I thought he was terrible when he started but he’s improved a lot and I think he’s a decent ref these days.

Really

 

[guancheblade]

Hopefully he'll be keen to do us a favour after his mistake at the Etihad.

Just call me Mystic Meg

 

[Bladesman]

Just call me Mystic Meg

Okay, Septic Peg.