Bit of fun on a Wednesday afternoon

[Ollessendro]

Are you suggesting that anyone wanting us to go to Hillsborough and win is short sighted?

It is never "for the best" for Sheffield United to lose, never mind to lose to our rivals. Yes all results have a cause and effect, that long term effect may end up being turned around and becoming a more positive outlook, but that doesn't make the cause "the best thing to happen".

You speak about the life of our club, what is this going to be if every time someone takes a dislike to one individual it is hoped that we perform as badly as possible?

Who will be the right manager? how will we all know when he's here? how long will he have to prove he's the right one?

Some wanted a change from Warnock, a change from Robson and now a change from Blackwell, how long will it continue or how far does the wanting us to lose stretch?

Would you take us going out of business or being relegated year on year until you get your man?

If we won and battered them, would you be happy and give Blackwell credit for the win, or annoyed that he may have extended his stay?

Lot of questions in there Foxy.

Nope. Of course I'm not implying that. Don't twist my words. I want us to win at Hillsborough. Remember this is hypothetical. But I honestly believe that losing a few games and getting rid of Blackwell would have a positive medium to long term benefit for the club.

Are you seriously supporting Blackwell? This is not just the case of me not liking KB. We've had polls on forums etc, you can chat to Blades, listen to praise or grumble etc and it seems clear that the vast majortiy of Blades want rid of Blackwell. In that case it seems best for the club to get rid of him. (if you are still behind KB then there is no point in us debating, as this is at the heart of my argument).

The righ manager is someone who has the ability to rebuild the team. He would ideally bring some passion to the role and also have some tactical nouss. Not saying he has to be Morihno or Wenger, just get them playing a bit of football. We'll all have our opinions about how good he is, but you would expect most Blades to be happy with us signing him. How long? How long is a piece of string. If he cmomes out and asks for patience, instills some passion, makes the right signings and gets us playing a bit better then 2, or 3 seasons. Why not? It took Warnock time to build a squad.

Don't understand your next question, but most want a change from KB. Most wanted a change from Robbo and it happened.

Of course not. Don't be ridiculous. There is a huge difference between losing one game and the drastic cenarios you dreamed up.

Yes I'd give him credit. I don't hate him. I just think he is a poor manager. I thank him for what he did for the club (up to the end of last season). He did a good job for a while. I'd happlily swallow my words if he proved me wrong. When we win I give him credit (of he deserves it). I would do the same if he (by a miracle) was to get us promoted or whatever. I hope you're not catagorising me as a KB hater or knocker. I want rid of him because I think it is best for SUFC, not because it's a personal vendetta. People are always quick to judge and automatically assume that anyone who posts criticising Blackwell is anbother Micalijo.

 

[smithy1987]

the idea of losing at the sty isnt fun IMO

 

[Ollessendro]

To be fair Ollie, you don't live in Sheffield and so don't have to put up with grunters in every day life as many of us do. So it is a little easier for you to hold your opinion, which I respect, than it is for those of us who suffered from their double over us last season.

You can take a pigs relegation out of the equation for me; I NEVER want us to lose against them under ANY circumstances. And if winning against them resulted in KB keeping his job, then so be it.

Yes this is possibly a major factor. Thanks Nick.

If only some could debate, criticise or whatever without getting insultive and personal.

People who can't spell are actually the idoits. Unlucky darling

I can handle the fact that other people have different opinions other than my own, I was merely pointing out that yours is one that lacks credibility by saying you would happily lose 5-0 to Wedneday.

Feel free to call me arrogant or a fascist though, if indeed you can spell them correctly, it really does not bother me in the slightest.

As for your statement that this is supposed to be a bit of fun. Is this the same fun in which your letter was apparently wrote after you received a lot of criticism?

Kettle and black and all that. I would have thought that you would have proof read a post in which you call someone an idiot for not spelling things correctly. Personally I don't care. I type fast and I don't proof read the posts, so what? (oh and I spell checked this one just for you!!?)

I didn't actually call you a fascist. I will call you arrogant though, as that is pretty clear.

Your last line makes little sense to me. But then if it is the same vain as the rest of the stuff you write then that might be for the best. I don't mind taking a bit of stick any how. If you post something controversial then you are likely to take a bit of flack. Still personal insults are a bit pathetic. No problem though, as it is the insulter who looks like the plank.

 

[smithy1987]

so for the record, if Cresswell scores in the 5th minute, will you be jumping for joy at taking the lead at the sty or will you be in despair at blackwell keeping his job?

 

[Micalijo]

Im sorry I just cannot see how anyone would want to lose to wednesday. Sending wendy down would go down in history as one of the greatest days in my time of been a blade. Seeing the wendys crying on the pitch after getting relegated would be a million times better than seeing blackwell get the sack.


Considering the player departures, the lack of funds to replace these players he has done well. Blackwell In!!! and Wednesday Down!!!

'Lack of funds'? Nice try. Obviously we couldn't replace like for like but he's had millions to spend. Alot more than sides above us in league and every side in the division plays better football than us. It really pains me that people still have the sympathy vote for Blackwell but that's life.

I'm greedy. I want us to beat Wendy and for McCabe to issue Blackwell his P45 upon returning to the changing room, saying 'bye, bye and good riddance.'

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

so for the record, if Cresswell scores in the 5th minute, will you be jumping for joy at taking the lead at the sty or will you be in despair at blackwell keeping his job?

Not really fair, as the original question was that defeat would mean Blackwell is out on his bike. If we lose that isn't going to be the case so I would think Ollie would want a win.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

So basically, what Olessendro is saying is that while ever Sheffield United lose under Kevin Blackwell he is happy.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

So basically, what Olessendro is saying is that while ever Sheffield United lose under Kevin Blackwell he is happy.

Only if it guaranteed that the manager would be sacked at the end of this season.
C'mon guys I don't agree with the sentiment but lets not start being silly.
Anyway I've heard he drown cute kittens in his spare time and was chief nose measurer for Hitler in his youth.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

'you'd have sacked him for losing both games to Wednesday'

That would have been getting off lightly. If I were McC. I'd have had him hung from the roof of the south stand and left him there as a reminder to all future managers not to screw up against the un-clean.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

One thing on this topic had me wondering about how fans would actually react to someone like SoD. He would have the same philosophy as Robson whereby the derby would just be another game he isn't a tub thumper like Warnock who gets the players wound up before the kick off. How would some of you lot react to a manager treating it like any other game?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Only if it guaranteed that the manager would be sacked at the end of this season.

But losing to Wednesday won't guarantee Blackwell's departure.

 

[JJ Sefton]

But losing to Wednesday won't guarantee Blackwell's departure.

In this hypothetical example it does.

 

[jacknat]

it's nearly teatime, so will the fun be finishing now

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

But losing to Wednesday won't guarantee Blackwell's departure.

Exactly therefore you can't take his answer to the original question.
In the original question it was a definite, lose to Wendy Blackie on his bike.

Losing every game till the end of the season isn't likely to force any hands on Blackwell so to use these comments to make a serious point are rather mute.

 

[Coily]

I wouldn't want us to lose to anyone for any reason (well... if it were to send those twats down then maybe), but I simply don't understand how any Blade would actually be happy to lose to W*******y.

 

[smithy1987]

One thing on this topic had me wondering about how fans would actually react to someone like SoD. He would have the same philosophy as Robson whereby the derby would just be another game he isn't a tub thumper like Warnock who gets the players wound up before the kick off. How would some of you lot react to a manager treating it like any other game?

the majority of our fans are not clued up enough on football to have a manager like SOD, i can imagine his first game, Quinn goes down the wing turns round and plays it back to Morgan, the moans and groans from the Kop will be deafening. We claim to want football but we are brought up on blood, thunder and hoofing it forward. A footballing manager wont last two minutes here.

 

[Bramley]

Stupid question. Wednesday down.

 

[Mousey]

If only some could debate, criticise or whatever without getting insultive and personal.




I didn't actually call you a fascist. I will call you arrogant though, as that is pretty clear.

First point, it was never personal. It was a generalisation that I think any United fan who would happily lose to them lot to remove KB from his position is an idiot. And I stand by that.

Second point, if you knew me, you'd realise why baby

 

[Ollessendro]

so for the record, if Cresswell scores in the 5th minute, will you be jumping for joy at taking the lead at the sty or will you be in despair at blackwell keeping his job?

do you really need me to answer this one?

I'll be jumping for joy of course. I want to stuff Wednesday just as much as you do (believe it or not).

However, if kevin McCbae came out and said 'Kevin, this is your last chance. Lose and your out on your ear' then I'd be grimacing. I could never cheer or get excited at the pigs scoring, or us conceding, but I'd be a tad upset if we were to stuff em and he kept his job. BUT, McCabe will not say this. Nor will the derby game outcome affect Blackwells future. hence this is HYPOTHETICAL!

LET ME MAKE ONE THING CLEAR. I DON'T WANT US TO LOSE AT HILLSBOROUGH. I WANT RID OF KB, BUT I'M NOT DAFT. I WAS SPEAKING HYPOETHICALLY (AS STATED 20 TIMES). IT WILL HURT ME IF WE LOSE TO WEDNESDAY. IT ALWAYS DOES. However, I stand by my original statement. if it meant KB getting sacked then I'd take a defeat. But before the barrage of abuse it does NOT mean i want us to lose!

 

[BarcaBlade]

Would a draw be enough to get the pigs down and a change of manager as well?
Just a thought.

 

[Foxy]

Nope. Of course I'm not implying that. Don't twist my words. I want us to win at Hillsborough. Remember this is hypothetical. But I honestly believe that losing a few games and getting rid of Blackwell would have a positive medium to long term benefit for the club.

I wasn't attempting to twist anything, you mentioned Mousey being short sighted and then went on to type a paragraph about how the long term could be better if we lost. I was just seeking clarification as to whether or not that is what you meant.

Are you seriously supporting Blackwell? This is not just the case of me not liking KB. We've had polls on forums etc, you can chat to Blades, listen to praise or grumble etc and it seems clear that the vast majortiy of Blades want rid of Blackwell. In that case it seems best for the club to get rid of him. (if you are still behind KB then there is no point in us debating, as this is at the heart of my argument).

The righ manager is someone who has the ability to rebuild the team. He would ideally bring some passion to the role and also have some tactical nouss. Not saying he has to be Morihno or Wenger, just get them playing a bit of football. We'll all have our opinions about how good he is, but you would expect most Blades to be happy with us signing him. How long? How long is a piece of string. If he cmomes out and asks for patience, instills some passion, makes the right signings and gets us playing a bit better then 2, or 3 seasons. Why not? It took Warnock time to build a squad.

Nope, I didn't even hint that I was supporting Blackwell. Part of the problem with us debating however is that certain people will have already assumed that I am due to the black & white polarisation people insist on (we'll not get into that debate again).

The points you make about what attributes we need are all factors that like it or not, the chairman would probably see Blackwell as possessing. He knows the job at hand and what we need, he has passion for the club and at the very least on paper he has tactical nouss.

Managers/chairman asking for time is a very fine line between them being critisised for having no ambition and people not noticing their pleas, we've been told time and time again that we have a reprofiling job on our hands, budgets need to be cut and have we cut any more slack? I wouldn't say so myself.

The question you don't understand - I was asking how long the cycle would continue. It happened with Warnock, Robson and now Blackwell, why will another change suddenly bring patience and guarentee a drastically positive shift?

Added to that, I was asking how far wanting us to lose to rid ourselves of a manager would last. It's okay saying my scenario's are dreamed up, but we are discussing a made up scenario in the first place!
Apologies for being "ridiculous", for me it is a logical progression, we could lose to Wednesday and start next season with Blackwell in charge, how many matches would then be realistically hoped that we'd lose in order to continue the quest of getting rid of him?

Yes I'd give him credit. I don't hate him. I just think he is a poor manager. I thank him for what he did for the club (up to the end of last season). He did a good job for a while. I'd happlily swallow my words if he proved me wrong. When we win I give him credit (of he deserves it). I would do the same if he (by a miracle) was to get us promoted or whatever. I hope you're not catagorising me as a KB hater or knocker. I want rid of him because I think it is best for SUFC, not because it's a personal vendetta. People are always quick to judge and automatically assume that anyone who posts criticising Blackwell is anbother Micalijo.

I wasn't suggesting you did hate him or that it was a personal vendetta (although actually, in my opinion, picking the scenario of us losing to Wednesday puts you towards that territory), I was merely asking as it wasn't clear from what you were saying.

I wasn't judging, I was asking further questions to guage just how far you'd take the prefered scenario and why.

 

[FlyingFjortoft]

I hope you're not catagorising me as a KB hater or knocker.

This is an absolute classic.

I hope you're not categorising me as someone who liked Jan Aage Fjortoft.

 

[Zlatan]

How could anyone actually want us to lose to the great unwashed just to get rid of Blackwell? Them 7 people want to have a look at themselves.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I'm looking. And i'm liking what i'm seeing.

 

[smithy1987]

if the question was would you lose to wednesday if you got to sleep with Strappons wife, then id say vote for us to lose, not because strappons lass is nice, just because it would leave him heartbroken and he would have to turn to food through depression and fingers crossed he will snap his gastric band.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I think you're right although if the appointment is seen as a positive by the fans and the new man is welcome unlike Robbo then I do feel that he would be given time.

Robbo was never going to last and correctly so.

Still can't believe he got the job, find myself shaking my head every time I think about it.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

if the question was would you lose to wednesday if you got to sleep with Strappons wife, then id say vote for us to lose, not because strappons lass is nice, just because it would leave him heartbroken and he would have to turn to food through depression and fingers crossed he will snap his gastric band.

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[Ollessendro]

This is an absolute classic.

I hope you're not categorising me as someone who liked Jan Aage Fjortoft.

Another fantastic contribution. I don't hate KB. I feel sorry for him in a way. He is completely out of his depth and is in denial. He is a failure as a player and a failure as a manager. Still he is ruining this beautiful club and hence I want him sacked.

 

[Ollessendro]

The points you make about what attributes we need are all factors that like it or not, the chairman would probably see Blackwell as possessing. He knows the job at hand and what we need, he has passion for the club and at the very least on paper he has tactical nouss.

Managers/chairman asking for time is a very fine line between them being critisised for having no ambition and people not noticing their pleas, we've been told time and time again that we have a reprofiling job on our hands, budgets need to be cut and have we cut any more slack? I wouldn't say so myself.

The question you don't understand - I was asking how long the cycle would continue. It happened with Warnock, Robson and now Blackwell, why will another change suddenly bring patience and guarentee a drastically positive shift?

Added to that, I was asking how far wanting us to lose to rid ourselves of a manager would last. It's okay saying my scenario's are dreamed up, but we are discussing a made up scenario in the first place!
Apologies for being "ridiculous", for me it is a logical progression, we could lose to Wednesday and start next season with Blackwell in charge, how many matches would then be realistically hoped that we'd lose in order to continue the quest of getting rid of him?

Don't tsake my comments the wrong way. Neither am I judging you or having a go at you. Oh and the 'vendetta' comment was a general one, not aimed at you.

I agree that the chairman is happy with Blackwell, but not for the reasons you state. I think it's more becuase hew is a yea man. Blackwell just sits there while McCabe seels his best players, gets rid of the high earners etc. The board are happy with Blackwell during this 'reprofiling' period. What is happening on the pitch obviously cvomes second to the financial situation. This all comes second to McCabe's proprty business.

To be fair Blackwell hasn't been given a lot of slack. I'll admit that. However he has shown very little signs he is the right man and this is why. His short term-ism, signing loan players, letting better players go, awful and negative tactics etc etc have meant that many have turned against him. Now I know we are a fickle lot, but if he was making decent singings and getting us playing a bit of football then I'm sure we'd cut him some slack. However he has shown nothing of the sort.

The question I didn't undertsand now makes a good point. It is imperative that we bring in the right person. Robson was not the right person and neither was Blackwell. I am not a fan of all these changes either. I am only calling for the head of KB because I am sure that he is not the right man to rebuild the squad and take us back to the prem (and keep us there).

MMMmmmm, how many more matches would I want us to lose to get rid of him? Well as little as possible of course. He might well lose against wednesday and start next season as boss. Being completely and uttelry convinced he is not up to the job I'd be (grudglingly) happy for us to keep losing (i.e. all the games) until he gets sacked.