Play to the whistle ....

[Rufus Smalls]

Nope, play to the whistle, but now ignore every flag till you hear the whistle..

I know the flag should only be up for a 100% offside so when it went up he should have whistled, but he didn’t, so play to the whistle and ignore all flags going forward..

When didsy scores the ball crossed a line and play stopped, that’s the difference btw..

I’ll try to get back to sleep now, funkin insomnia..

Same here mate !

UTB.

 

[PaulHalfway]

You would actually think that as soon as the ref sees the flag up he would blow his whistle, the Lino is clearly saying that he believes the forward is offside and he is in line
Why would the ref not whistle, that’s the bit I don’t really understand

 

[A Storm of Blades]

To show he has seen it? In the same way the ref acknowledges a foul but plays advantage. I’ve seen that but I’m playing on and I haven’t blown my whistle.

So, you think the officials were clear and there was no confusion? Then why did nearly everyone (including Newcastle players) stop??

 

[A Storm of Blades]

It’s pretty simple. If someone is bearing down on you with the ball, and the ref hasn't blown their whistle, assume the ball is live.

By “bearing down” I assume you mean “ambling at near walking pace, acting as though the ball was dead”?

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

So the ref actually told him this before the game. I wonder if he said the same to our forwards..

“Shelvey said: "The ref said to me if the linesman puts his flag up, play on.

"That is the benefit of VAR now”

Linesman are now totally redundant. That ref was shocking. He’d already decided to ignore the linesman’s flag instead just relying on VAR, adding confusion all around and helping destroy the game.

 

[Davalon]

I might stand corrected but one of the linesman last night looked suspiciously like the useless twat at Spurs

 

[Foxy]

VAR can’t check anything after the whistle has gone and play has been stopped.

Except for Sunday, when it did exactly that when Hendo carried on to try and stop the striker in a one on one.

 

[Mojo]

If im wilder im telling the boys now to play on no matter what dont stop for anything. Whats difference if didzy is played in down the wing, flag goes up and whistle blows. But VAR shows hes onside? Surely if he plays on and crosses it and we score VAR gives a goal even if everyone stops. So dont stop for anything.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

If im wilder im telling the boys now to play on no matter what dont stop for anything. Whats difference if didzy is played in down the wing, flag goes up and whistle blows. But VAR shows hes onside? Surely if he plays on and crosses it and we score VAR gives a goal even if everyone stops. So dont stop for anything.

Yes.
Lets take this one step further.

if we are winning 1-0 away (or even drawing against a tough side) and want to run down the clock, may as well keep a player right up the pitch - no better still, player in each corner, and get Norwood to launch the ball at them from our half.

They can then stand on the ball until a defender comes back, try to get round them, maybe even attempt to score, maybe even score.
If they score, it needs a VAR check - that should waste a bit more time.

As soon as we get the ball again, launch it at the player 50 yards off side by the corner flag & repeat. Based on yesterday - why not?

 

[Dkc]

Makes you wonder why they didn't give VAR a trial season in a lower league first.

 

[Foxy]

watch the replay. Atwell did not blow his whistle.

It didn't say I was sure he did, but a lot in the ground were. There was absolutely no question in a lot of minds that play had been stopped. People were talking and demanding he be booked for timewasting... Not worried the goal was going to be given.

Like I said earlier... I felt it necessary, at the time the ref stopped chasing Shelvey, to turn round to the lads behind and say that if he VARs to check a goal, he'll give a goal, as Carroll was onside from my view. There was no need to even suggest that if it was even a suggestion he'd played on at the time, everyone thought he was chasing him to bring play back and was more concerned he definitely booked him rather than worrying in the slightest it'd count as a goal.

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

It didn't say I was sure he did, but a lot in the ground were. There was absolutely no question in a lot of minds that play had been stopped. People were talking and demanding he be booked for timewasting... Not worried the goal was going to be given.

Like I said earlier... I felt it necessary, at the time the ref stopped chasing Shelvey, to turn round to the lads behind and say that if he VARs to check a goal, he'll give a goal, as Carroll was onside from my view. There was no need to even suggest that if it was even a suggestion he'd played on at the time, everyone thought he was chasing him to bring play back and was more concerned he definitely booked him rather than worrying in the slightest it'd count as a goal.

So the ref was correct to ignore the linesman’s advice.

 

[Foxy]

So the ref was correct to ignore the linesman’s advice.

I've never questioned that, as I say, at the time I said it was onside, however, to all intents and purposes everyone thought it had been given, a decent number thought he had whistled. The linesman did what he's not supposed to do and flagged and stopped, the ref didn't clearly wave play on, merely pointed at the lineman while chasing Shelvey.

Their reaction to it hitting the back of the net tells you all you need to know about the feeling of the entire stadium at that moment.

The linesman has performed the action they pretty much said they wouldn't until the decision was given, the ref appears to have given it to the majority of the stadium, including the press box who also had the TV feeds.

We shouldn't be in that situation whether the decision was right or wrong... When Sharp went down, the ref made a CLEAR gesture that his take was there was nothing to give... Why not repeat that action instead of pointing at the lino? He didn't wave play on, he pointed at the lino, that's why most thought he was chasing Shelvey to bring play back in the ground.

We should have defended it better and in retrospect Hendo should have played on... But last week, he did that when unsure and they VAR checked a pen, what's he to do? If he thinks it's been stopped, he's not going to risk a pen / card.

The officials don't drop a bollock, we contest it and he quite possibly scores anyway, but it takes away any cause and effect of the confusion caused by a referees assistant mistake and a misinterpretation of the referees actions.

Right decision, utter clusterfuck of reaching it, potentially effecting the outcome, but also ruining the rest of the game.

 

[Oldun]

By “bearing down” I assume you mean “ambling at near walking pace, acting as though the ball was dead”?

Have you watched the replay?

 

[ucandomagic]

We lost the game because we had no plan B, and couldn’t break them down with plan A.

We defended a cross weakly for their goal.

Their keeper played well on the 2 occasions when we did get a decent cross in.

VAR didn’t beat us, let’s not hide from what we should really be looking at.

 

[Brian Blessed]

Why don't we just accept that the lino fucked up,the ref overruled him and said play on, VAR then confirmed it wasn't offside. Bit farcical but we'd be saying it was the right decision if it was at the other end. Naive of Hendo to relax when Shelvey was clearly going to try and stick it in anyway because he knew he himself was miles onside from the flick on

End of the day it wasnt the winning goal so Let's get over it move on but LEARN FROM IT

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Should the referee ever be blowing for an offside again now?

 

[RealMcCoy]

Interesting that Wilder has clearly been “upset” by what happened. He seems to be genuinely angry about VAR decisions after last night. First time I think I’ve seen him like this.
Hope he can rise above it all as we go forward. It’s been one of his defining attributes that he takes every setback/disappointment on board (almost philosophically) and just gets on with winning. I know we all feel the apparent injustice of events like last night, but important the team doesn’t dwell on the negativity.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

As has already been said....
For decades, referees have always gone with the linesmans flag, ALWAYS. We're now asking players for the first time in their lives, to now ignore linesmans flags for offside when it's been instilled into them from 5 years old that it's offside.

I've said already, what if there's a clear offside, lino flags, but play continues and in the resultant play a player is seriously injured. It's a ridiculous concept and should be changed now.

 

[Paulus]

On the one hand you’ve got the ongoing issue of the way players interact with match officials, they daren’t mike up refs like they do in Rugby which would go some way to improving the situation in stadiums yet on the other hand they are basically telling players that of the 3 blokes running on to a pitch dressed up as officials you have to ignore the two idiots with flags. Respect, don’t make laugh.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Can anyone tell me when was the last time when a referee over ruled a lino? The last time I can remember was the infamous Leeds West brom match nearly 50 years ago. A referee over ruling the lino from that position would be similar to being given out lbw from square leg. As others have said why was there a whistle on every other offside? What happens if the referee has whistled but the attacker uses the old I didn't hear it excuse and scores,then is found to be onside? Presumably VAR would overrule the refs decision

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Have you watched the replay?

Yes thanks.

 

[Oldun]

Yes thanks.

Do you have eyes?

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Do you have eyes?

Settle down sweetheart

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Do you have eyes?

Does Wilder have eyes?

“We were told at the start of the season, the linesman will not put his flag up. He put his flag up. Everyone stopped. I have looked back at it and Jonjo Shelvey nonchalantly went up and put it away, I didn’t get the impression that he thought he was in and one-on-one with Dean (Henderson). It was a token finish”

 

[Oldun]

Does Wilder have eyes?

“We were told at the start of the season, the linesman will not put his flag up. He put his flag up. Everyone stopped. I have looked back at it and Jonjo Shelvey nonchalantly went up and put it away, I didn’t get the impression that he thought he was in and one-on-one with Dean (Henderson). It was a token finish”

Watch the reply and tell me that’s nonchalant! He knew what he was doing. Hendo on the other hand......

 

[jono_t2000]

Can anyone tell me when was the last time when a referee over ruled a lino? The last time I can remember was the infamous Leeds West brom match nearly 50 years ago. A referee over ruling the lino from that position would be similar to being given out lbw from square leg. As others have said why was there a whistle on every other offside? What happens if the referee has whistled but the attacker uses the old I didn't hear it excuse and scores,then is found to be onside? Presumably VAR would overrule the refs decision

I think the last one that stands out to me was at the world cup. South Korea Vs Germany. Lino put flag up for offside but ref thought it was defenders foot who actually kicked it into path of striker and so didn't whistle. VAR confirmed defender had last touch and goal stood.