Wilder to west ham, obviously

[Greenwich Blade]

I tend to agree, though even if we get a "very good" replacement, they will have extremely big boots to fill.

My biggest worry is that we have to change our style of play. For that reason, the best option may be to go for someone within the club (an ex player who has just began coaching possibly) who is familiar with the system, and can emulate Wilder's approach - that would be a huge gamble though.

Big boots and already inside the club? Lunny it is then!

 

[tincan]

Wilder might do a Warnock to West Ham. Sign a 5yrcontract at £20m a season, then buy the biggest set of wasters the cockney wide boys have ever seen so they go to the 3rd division for 6yrs. However Pellegrini has beaten him to it.......

 

[BushBlade]

I tend to agree, though even if we get a "very good" replacement, they will have extremely big boots to fill.

My biggest worry is that we have to change our style of play. For that reason, the best option may be to go for someone within the club (an ex player who has just began coaching possibly) who is familiar with the system, and can emulate Wilder's approach - that would be a huge gamble though.

Styles of play come and go and sooner or later we’ll change it anyway because managers will work it out. Wilder isn’t the first manager to get a team playing attractive football on a limited budget and he won’t be the last. His greatest talent is to have done so at a club that was very difficult to manage. We’re not the club we were five years ago.
I’m not saying it’s going to be easy but it doesn’t have be the end of the world. Right now, we need him. In two years time, he should have us in a good shape and if he got offered the England job, a manager of PL ability shouldn’t find it too hard to manage us.

 

[GymClassHero]

The job I would worry about him being offered and probably take would be the England one, Southgate doing well and long may it continue but if Wilder keeps going for the next two and a half years in the premier league and the job became available (which it obviously will do) he will tick most of the boxes and as proud of him as we all would be it is the one I think he would,obviously, have to accept.

Plus I feel the crop of England players would excel under Wilders tactics.

 

[Kanye]

Styles of play come and go and sooner or later we’ll change it anyway because managers will work it out. Wilder isn’t the first manager to get a team playing attractive football on a limited budget and he won’t be the last. His greatest talent is to have done so at a club that was very difficult to manage. We’re not the club we were five years ago.
I’m not saying it’s going to be easy but it doesn’t have be the end of the world. Right now, we need him. In two years time, he should have us in a good shape and if he got offered the England job, a manager of PL ability shouldn’t find it too hard to manage us.

Styles of play definitely come and go, and whoever manages us (Wilder or otherwise) will have to adapt over time, evolving the tactics. However, I do see our current approach as more than just the flavour of the month.

Seeing how capable and threatening we look against some of the best teams in the division, while having a modest squad makes me think that Wilder and Knill are on to something big. Maybe it's just our players playing out of their skins, just a purple patch, but if it's more than that we may have stumbled across the next Gegenpress, Tiki-Taka or Total Football.

The above might be a bit of an exaggeration, or a case of me wearing rose-tinted specs, but I still have faith that there's plenty of longevity in the approach and even if teams begin to "figure us out" or emulate us, we still have the head start.

Also, Wilder's approach to man-managent, his standards/expectations and his ability to motivate aren't as common as the should be at the top level. I feel that an understudy to him, someone who's experienced playing for him may have a better chance of maintaining these standards if he left, rather than a completely new face with a new approach.


Long story short: Chris Wilder is the next Cruyff, and we're the next Barcelona.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I feel that an understudy to him, someone who's experienced playing for him may have a better chance of maintaining these standards if he left, rather than a completely new face with a new approach

There may be reasons, other than just playing, as to why Jagielka returned.

 

[Kanye]

There may be reasons, other than just playing, as to why Jagielka returned.

Quite possibly.

Whether or not he has any coaching ability remains to be seen. But from what I've seen and heard from him, he's obviously intelligent and professional, which is a good start.

 

[BushBlade]

Styles of play definitely come and go, and whoever manages us (Wilder or otherwise) will have to adapt over time, evolving the tactics. However, I do see our current approach as more than just the flavour of the month.

Seeing how capable and threatening we look against some of the best teams in the division, while having a modest squad makes me think that Wilder and Knill are on to something big. Maybe it's just our players playing out of their skins, just a purple patch, but if it's more than that we may have stumbled across the next Gegenpress, Tiki-Taka or Total Football.

The above might be a bit of an exaggeration, or a case of me wearing rose-tinted specs, but I still have faith that there's plenty of longevity in the approach and even if teams begin to "figure us out" or emulate us, we still have the head start.

Also, Wilder's approach to man-managent, his standards/expectations and his ability to motivate aren't as common as the should be at the top level. I feel that an understudy to him, someone who's experienced playing for him may have a better chance of maintaining these standards if he left, rather than a completely new face with a new approach.


Long story short: Chris Wilder is the next Cruyff, and we're the next Barcelona.

Long story short;
Last time I recall a successful understudy was when Joe Fagan took over from Paisley. You can’t teach what Wilder’s got. If any of his former players want to be managers then they’d better go out and get some experience first.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Styles of play come and go and sooner or later we’ll change it anyway because managers will work it out. Wilder isn’t the first manager to get a team playing attractive football on a limited budget and he won’t be the last. His greatest talent is to have done so at a club that was very difficult to manage. We’re not the club we were five years ago.
I’m not saying it’s going to be easy but it doesn’t have be the end of the world. Right now, we need him. In two years time, he should have us in a good shape and if he got offered the England job, a manager of PL ability shouldn’t find it too hard to manage us.

More or less agree with those perspectives BB. Since Wilder took control amazing things have happened at this club. On the most basic of budgets we've stolen a march on many other, better financed, clubs.

What Wilder has done is turn his nose up to the received wisdom that it's only by spending big that you'll achieve success. Wilder has used his carefully honed antennae to establish who is fit for purpose. Of course he's not always got it right, but the fact that we're where we are is testimony to his approach.

How many other clubs could do with CW's common sense game plan when it comes to recognising the wasted potential that can be found at the lower divisions? No wonder those that manage to achieve promotion often squander the levels of funding that are meant to establish their chances of remaining in the higher echelons. So far we've spent healthy chunks, but nothing comparable to Villa levels of spending, and even then most of our current team comprise of players who have been with us for 2-3 seasons. It's the fact that Wilder has an unorthodox approach that baffles many other clubs, but it's a proven approach, one that has done wonders for this club.....long may it continue.

 

[BushBlade]

More or less agree with those perspectives BB. Since Wilder took control amazing things have happened at this club. On the most basic of budgets we've stolen a march on many other, better financed, clubs.

What Wilder has done is turn his nose up to the received wisdom that it's only by spending big that you'll achieve success. Wilder has used his carefully honed antennae to establish who is fit for purpose. Of course he's not always got it right, but the fact that we're where we are is testimony to his approach.

How many other clubs could do with CW's common sense game plan when it comes to recognising the wasted potential that can be found at the lower divisions? No wonder those that manage to achieve promotion often squander the levels of funding that are meant to establish their chances of remaining in the higher echelons. So far we've spent healthy chunks, but nothing comparable to Villa levels of spending, and even then most of our current team comprise of players who have been with us for 2-3 seasons. It's the fact that Wilder has an unorthodox approach that baffles many other clubs, but it's a proven approach, one that has done wonders for this club.....long may it continue.

And exactly the opposite of what West Ham have done.

 

[Davalon]

Pundit suggests Wilder isn't at the top table and doesn't lavish him with praise, he's a cunt.

Pundit lavishes Wilder with praise and suggests he could be a great option for a bigger club more established in the PL, he's a cunt.

Disclaimer: I'm in no way suggesting he should go to West Ham or that it would be a good move for him. Substitute West Ham for Everton etc.

 

[itsinyerblood]

And exactly the opposite of what West Ham have done.

Agree mate. Amongst London's top teams West Ham have always been viewed as a lesser option, one of those clubs that cannot compete financially.

In recent years they's splashed out but to very little benefit. Sure, they've had good players, but as a club they fail to compete at the highest level. All Wilder will have, if he were to manage WH, is more money to spend. Maybe he could change their culture, but it's a big 'if', and whether the gamble would be enough for him to want to take that risk, well that's currently in the lap of the gods.

I'm taking a big leap of faith, but if Wilder is given both moral as well as financial support I suspect he'll do far more of worth and value as the Blades' manager than moping to a completely alien environment where, at best, he'd have 1-2 years to prove his worth. There's a relationship between manager and crowd at the Blades that is rare, and it allows Wilder to do things at his pace. He's ambitious, and so our board should wish to follow his lead. Support Wilder and success will follow, period! UTMB!

 

[Kanye]

Long story short;
Last time I recall a successful understudy was when Joe Fagan took over from Paisley. You can’t teach what Wilder’s got. If any of his former players want to be managers then they’d better go out and get some experience first.

Point taken, but what about Pep at Barca?

 

[Kanye]

Poch is a successful Bielsa understudy too, but it's a bit different.

 

[BushBlade]

Point taken, but what about Pep at Barca?

Barca are structured completely differently to United (people like this behind the scenes (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Txiki_Begiristain), he was able to have experience managing in a lower league with the B team before he took over the first team and he completely revolutionised the way they played.
I don’t see any similarity with your idea of having an understudy to Wilder so that we can continue to play the same way.

 

[BushBlade]

Poch is a successful Bielsa understudy too, but it's a bit different.

Everybody is someone’s understudy. Did Poch ever coach under Bielsa? He played for him as a youth player and then a senior in Argentina.
I’m not against the idea of someone working under Wilder but not to take over from him directly after just being his assistant.

 

[Kanye]

Barca are structured completely differently to United (people like this behind the scenes (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Txiki_Begiristain), he was able to have experience managing in a lower league with the B team before he took over the first team and he completely revolutionised the way they played.
I don’t see any similarity with your idea of having an understudy to Wilder so that we can continue to play the same way.

Forgot that the B team play in the proper league system, you're right.

Maybe Billy or Jags will have to slog it out in L2 for a year or 2 before taking the hot seat.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Long story short;
Last time I recall a successful understudy was when Joe Fagan took over from Paisley. You can’t teach what Wilder’s got. If any of his former players want to be managers then they’d better go out and get some experience first.

and Paisley from Shankly

 

[BushBlade]

and Paisley from Shankly

Indeed but Fagan was the last time it happened successfully. (Although I suppose there’s an argument that Dalglish was, but he didn’t really have an ‘understudy’ period).

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Indeed but Fagan was the last time it happened successfully. (Although I suppose there’s an argument that Dalglish was, but he didn’t really have an ‘understudy’ period).

Sorry, misread your post. You’re 100% correct.

Ronnie Moran dipped in and out as caretaker a couple of times if my memory serves me correctly.

 

[bromtom]

I don't mind Merson, he's just doing his job, and there's obviously some jealousy from the point of view of a supporter of Arsenal. Arsenal, and West Ham, are poorly coached, we're well coached so yeah, 2+2=Wilder to wherever, but I do wish pundits would give talented managers a chance to turn the job they're in into the "big job" they're always on about.

They seem to think Leicester isn't a big job, won the Premier League a couple of years ago, exciting young team, plenty of money, Top 4 team almost guaranteed given how far back one of last season's top 4 is.

It is a big job.

Tottenham is seen as a big job, but that's quite recent. Top half occasionally qualifying for the Europa League job until a few years back as Man U and Arsenal started to fall away.

I'm not saying that United will be in the Champions League final and spend a billion quid on Bramall Lane in the next 6 or 7 years, but why not give us a chance instead of trying to asset strip us every night on Sky?

 

[Captain Obvious]

"Deserves a big job" - I'm fed up of being patronised by pundits. He's talking about West Ham being a huge step up from us...I see them as a sideways step, they're hardly one of the giants of English football. If he was talking about Man Utd or Liverpool I'd say fair enough...but West Ham? Fuck off.

 

[Blend-it-like-Harris]

West Chuffin' Ham for Christ's sake - might as well imagine him managing the Wendy's whilst we're at it.

 

[Stretch]

There is one major reason that should put any football person off joining West Ham.

The absolute bag of shit that is The London Stadium.

Followed by Karen Brady and the Dildo Brothers.

 

[Groucho Blade]

Wet Sham will appoint someone like Rafa Benitez when they get rid of Pellegrini. Our Chris won’t even be up for discussion.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

If it ever came to it then it would be interesting to see Eddie Howe and Chris Wilder as co-England managers. Together they have all the right attributes.

 

[HammerInPeace]

The absolute bag of shit that is The London Stadium.

It's not that good..