Anyone rate Henderson?

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Yes, I rate him. Better than he's given credit for. Good in the air but very good at chesting it and getting it down to feet. Perfect target man, plays well with the right partner and scores goals too. Also a threat at set pieces and good at defending them.

Just a pity he's got a temper!
 



It makes me laugh all this hanging Henderson out to dry ,by people who haven't seen it ,most probably weren't even there. The same people were probably the ones on Morgans case after the Barnsley incident.
Henderson was getting pushed ,pulled, fouled and dragged all over the other night and when he stood his ground the cock of a referee gave Forest the free-kicks.The incident itself was caused by Anderson deliberately stopping Henderson going forward off the ball, admitted by Forest. Henderson was trying to free himself and how he can do that without movement of his arm is beyond me.
The guy is our top goalscorer ,we need him for the run in , would probably be in the Premiership if he hadn't got injured at the end of last season ,lets support him and get behind him instead of bowing down to the shitty tactics of a loathsome second rate manager and club like Forest.
 
I would love to see Darius Henderson in a Blades side that regularly played like they did against Bristol City and Palace. I know what the OP means when he links Hendo with Blackwell's hoof tactic but that is not Henderson's fault. He has to do a job he is told to by his manager. The sending off's he has had suggest that Hendo gets a frustrated with that tactic as we do. He also gets a very raw deal from the officials IMO who see him as a dirty rather than physical player. I've no issue with his physicality and it's tame in comparison to the treatment he gets from CB. The difference is that CB get away with it.

His hold-up play can be excellent and we should be looking to use him for that rather than to hoof the ball to. Yes, the hoof would retain place (if we're losing late on) and Henderson would remain an effective tool for that ploy. Using it less though would get him using his strength in a more effective and positive sense to bring the likes of Camara, Evans, Ward, Yeates, Willo into play and result in a downturn in the number of silly free-kicks and bookings that go against him.

I'd use him with one tactic in mind: get the ball into him (not by hoofing) so he can hold it up and lay it off to one of the other four attacking players (i.e. partner Evans/Camara, Willo in CM or Ward/Yeates on the wings) and then spin and get in the box. Let the other four get the ball wide and do their job and get across the defender to get headers at goal. Just as he did against Bristol for the second goal. Simple.

In my opinion if you're playing strikers like Ward and Camara (or Billy Sharp) you don't need a striker that's going to hold the ball up because of the runs they make. You need somebody with good vision who's going to release it quickly into space behind the defenders, something Henderson rarely does. I don't rate him but thought he had a very good game against Bristol, other than the shocking miss in the first half. How much of this was down to poor defenders I don't know, but the amount of good games I've seen him have are few and far between. I prefer a footballer to concentrate on the football not on the defender.
 
In my opinion if you're playing strikers like Ward and Camara (or Billy Sharp) you don't need a striker that's going to hold the ball up because of the runs they make. You need somebody with good vision who's going to release it quickly into space behind the defenders, something Henderson rarely does. I don't rate him but thought he had a very good game against Bristol, other than the shocking miss in the first half. How much of this was down to poor defenders I don't know, but the amount of good games I've seen him have are few and far between. I prefer a footballer to concentrate on the football not on the defender.

Whilst I agree with your sentiments, thats a bit of an idealistic view of football. I'd love to see the likes of Sharp/Ward/Camara making runs and getting through balls knocked in to their path but there are two glaring issues with that.

1. We haven't got anybody (and neither really have most other CCC clubs) who can thread a ball like that through to those strikers;

2. The likes of Camara/Ward/Sharp are easy prey for the typical CCC clogger at the back to whack early and scare them out of the game.

With the passing ability we have in our midfield (limited), we need a Henderson or a new midfield. A new midfield of the calibre needed would be expensive, more expensive than Henderson. Hence what we have.

And whatever team you are, you need a physical presence up front. Even the top sides have it: Carroll, Bednar, Bothroyd etc ...
 
He's rubbish. We're so much better when our £3m goal machine plays why Blackie can't see it I'll never know.
How many goals had Hendo at this stage of last season, more or less than Ched?
This while actually getting more than 60 mins every home match and in a consistent run of games.

Good to see you've inflated Ched price back to £3 Million as well Len.

To answer the original question I think Henderson is a much better player than we get to see. Ironically I think we would see a better side to him if we kept it on the floor more.
 
It makes me laugh all this hanging Henderson out to dry ,by people who haven't seen it ,most probably weren't even there. The same people were probably the ones on Morgans case after the Barnsley incident.

It amazes me that you seem to need to invent characteristics for anyone who has a different opinion to you. For what it's worth I was at Forest and I didn't criticised Morgs over the Barnsley business. I don't think the criticism did Morgan any harm anyway, in fact he has played the best football of his time with us in the 18 months since that happened. If you seriously think that Henderson is totally the innocent party in the various battles he has with centre halfs your Blades tinted glasses must be a hell of a lot stronger than mine.
 
How many goals had Hendo at this stage of last season, more or less than Ched?
This while actually getting more than 60 mins every home match and in a consistent run of games.

How do we offer a more consistent run of games to an overpaid striker who scores one goal in ten? Pick him regardless and hope for the best?

ALL our other options score more regularly.

Our objective isn't to test Evans' worth, it's to get promotion.

UTB
 
It amazes me that you seem to need to invent characteristics for anyone who has a different opinion to you. For what it's worth I was at Forest and I didn't criticised Morgs over the Barnsley business. I don't think the criticism did Morgan any harm anyway, in fact he has played the best football of his time with us in the 18 months since that happened. If you seriously think that Henderson is totally the innocent party in the various battles he has with centre halfs your Blades tinted glasses must be a hell of a lot stronger than mine.

He isn't always the innocent party your quite right but half the time the lad gets some stupid shit decisions go against him. He gets battered every game just about, but gets little and usually gets fouls given against him for alot less than happens to him. Can't comment on what happened Tuesday, I wasn't there.

Personally I like him but it does frustrate me that we go for the simple option of trying to hit it long to him. He has a decent touch and holds play well, I'd say he tends to have a good shot on him and he can take a cracking penalty too. Though I don't want to see him get straight back in the team if his replacement is doing a good job this time round, I'd like to see him earn his spot.
 
He's strong I'll grant you that, strong shot? has he scored from outside the box this season? Not a bad header, OK and he isn't slow in the sense that a bowling ball trumbling down the lane isn't slow - just don't expect it to change direction too smartly!

Fair point - I don't know he wouldn't benefit from a change of tactics, he might do but... if you look at the Billy Sharp goal against Forest last weekend he got it because of very clever movement - I haven't seen a lot that from him.

Who was that bloke impersonating him who got in front of his man to head the 2nd against Bristol?
Or was that 'unclever' movement?
 
It amazes me that you seem to need to invent characteristics for anyone who has a different opinion to you. For what it's worth I was at Forest and I didn't criticised Morgs over the Barnsley business. I don't think the criticism did Morgan any harm anyway, in fact he has played the best football of his time with us in the 18 months since that happened. If you seriously think that Henderson is totally the innocent party in the various battles he has with centre halfs your Blades tinted glasses must be a hell of a lot stronger than mine.

You've just done the same to me ;-) I don't think he's totally innocent, in fact I've got a coach from Doncaster Rovers coaching with me at the moment and he's told me a story involving Hendo and a certain Donny player at the Lane this season which is scary. But as he tells me Henderson is targetted not because of his temper but because of his size and the reliance that we put on him in a game. He rates him as the best striker in the division with Sharp close behind him ,he reckons Sharps personality and ability are the main reason they are where they are.. Apparently Henderson knows plenty of the Donny set up and is well liked up there ,but they have a lad called John Oster who despite being a good player could start a fight in an empty room.
 
How many goals had Hendo at this stage of last season, more or less than Ched?
This while actually getting more than 60 mins every home match and in a consistent run of games.

Good to see you've inflated Ched price back to £3 Million as well Len.

To answer the original question I think Henderson is a much better player than we get to see. Ironically I think we would see a better side to him if we kept it on the floor more.

I absolutely love the 60 minute excuse.
Apparently because he's shyte for an hour and taken off we've missed that critical 30 minutes when he would magically transform into 'Super Ched: Goal Machine'.
 
I absolutely love the 60 minute excuse.
Apparently because he's shyte for an hour and taken off we've missed that critical 30 minutes when he would magically transform into 'Super Ched: Goal Machine'.

I see you've failed to actually answer the question Len.

How many goals had Hendo scored at this stage of last season?
 
How many goals had Hendo scored at this stage of last season?

3 in the league, same as Evans. he'd also got 1 in the league cup.

Incidentally, Evans has now made 20 consecutive league and Cup appearances without scoring.
 
Consecutive? He has made 20 appearances without scoring but he hasn't started 20 consecutive games and failed to score.


So basically Hendo has scored exactly the same amount of goal last season at this stage despite starting every match (when fit) and not being dropped for away matches.
Wow, who'd of thunked it.
 
In answer to the original question;

1) Top scorer
2) Dominant in the air
3) Passionate
4) Scores with shit service
5) We lack physical presence up top without him

Ive played against a lot of very good centre forwards. Many you will have heard of, who still play at a high level. Trust me, he's as good a target man as you will find outside the top flight.

If you dont rate him I suggest you watch him more closely in future as youre not watching close enough.
 



Hendo is the perfect example of fans using goals to solely define a forwards worth and lots are doing exactly the same with Ched. Hendo this season seems to have been promoted to almost godlike status because they goals have started to come yet last season he was just shit, total waste of money etc etc.

Fickle, fickle fans.
 
Consecutive? He has made 20 appearances without scoring but he hasn't started 20 consecutive games and failed to score.

No, and I didn't say he had. All I meant is that he has not scored in his last 20 matches.

Incidentally, for the sake of comparison, here's what we've had out of Henderson in league games in the last 1 and bit seasons for our 2 million:

47 starts, 10 sub appearances, 18 goals (including 3 penalties)

Whereas Evans and Sharp combined have done this in the last 2 and a bit seasons for between 3 and 5 million quid:

57 starts, 22 sub appearances, 11 goals

So basically Hendo has scored exactly the same amount of goal last season at this stage despite starting every match (when fit) and not being dropped for away matches.
Wow, who'd of thunked it.


Henderson had played in 19 games to Ched's 28 at that point.
 
Dont like him and I think £2 million is a massive waste of money.

Although scores goals and with how shit the team seems to be I guess its good he can grab some goals.
 
Consecutive? He has made 20 appearances without scoring but he hasn't started 20 consecutive games and failed to score.

No, and I didn't say he had. All I meant is that he has not scored in his last 20 matches.

Incidentally, for the sake of comparison, here's what we've had out of Henderson in league games in the last 1 and bit seasons for our 2 million:

47 starts, 10 sub appearances, 18 goals (including 3 penalties)

Whereas Evans and Sharp combined have done this in the last 2 and a bit seasons for between 3 and 5 million quid:

57 starts, 22 sub appearances, 11 goals

But I'm comparing début seasons; Hendo got 6 goals and was being played every match and wasn't being brought off after 60 mins.

Just wanting a fair comparison.
 
So the appearances aren't consecutive unless he starts??

Another way to look at it would be to say he hasn't scored for 125 days, we were still in BST. Whilst I fully take your point about his lack of starts it's sort of understadable don't you think?
 
Hendo is the perfect example of fans using goals to solely define a forwards worth and lots are doing exactly the same with Ched. Hendo this season seems to have been promoted to almost godlike status because they goals have started to come yet last season he was just shit, total waste of money etc etc.

Fickle, fickle fans.

He wasnt shit. His problem last season was that when he wasnt getting himself sent off, he was getting injured instead. That is his main downfall. When youre out for a while (even if you come back for 6 consecutive games) it takes you a while to build some momentum and get your form back.

If you look at the runs his scored his goals in this season, its when he's had a significant number of games to build up his form. Thats why its different this time around. I am not saying Darius is a top drawer striker because I dont think he is but he is a very good Championship forward.

With the piss poor service he gets I'm amazed he scores any goals at all. If he could stop smacking opposition players in the face he would score 20+ a season at this level. He lets himself down with that.

I rated him before he came to the Lane and I rate him now.
 
I like Henderson, but he is extremely frustrating at times, particularly with his ill discipline at times. In that regard he reminds me of Morgan, in the early days. I think it was a match away to someone like Gillingham where he was red carded in a completely foolish manner - it was somewhat of a turning point for Morgs, he seemed to make a real effort to restrain himself after that. Hopefully the same attitude can be applied to Hendo.

If we turn back to summer 2008, I wouldn't have ditched Hulse for Hendo so quickly, as I said at the time. We brought him back mid-season (no pre-season training to get him up to speed), and whilst his performances had not been of the standard we saw pre-injury, I felt he was getting progressively better as the season wore on, and with a pre-season behind him would have been more like his old self. Had Blackwell been manager in summer 2005, he'd have probably sold Steven Kabba based on his performances coming back from injury.
 
Hendo is the perfect example of fans using goals to solely define a forwards worth and lots are doing exactly the same with Ched.

My take on Hendo, and on strikers in general, brings this issue into play.

I will accept that goals are not the be all and end all of a forward's role. There are other things that forwards can do - most notably, bring other players into the game and lay on goals for their colleagues.

With that qualification, however:

(1) someone who scored less than, say, once every 5 games in a top 10 team better be bringing a lot to the table in terms of assists and approach play, or he should be left out for a more regular scorer; and

(2) Somebody has to score the goals. In this regard, I think that many people underrate players who "do nothing but score". Andy Gray was someone described like this. So was James Beattie (which was unfair in his case). I think this is because people have too high standards as a result of watching the PL and expect everyone to have a skill set like Wayne Rooney. In my book, if a player is putting the ball in the net regularly (ie anything over 15 goal a season pace), he's worth his place irrespective of what else he does.

I am of the school of thought that Hendo is a dirty player who deserves a good 75% or more of the fouls given against him (it is worthy of note, in this regard, that all 3 of his sendings off have been 100% justified) and doesn't help the team as much as some people maintain. He doesn't hold the ball up well with any regularity and his presence encourages the big hoof (admittedly that's not his fault personally). Given these views, I did not think he did well last year and there were times I would not have picked him. This year, though, he has put the ball in the net a lot more often in open play. I still think his game has flaws, but on the basis someone has to score, I'd have him in the team at present when not suspended.

Evans, on the other hand, neither scores or contributes in other meaningful ways. Waste of a place.
 
But I'm comparing début seasons; Hendo got 6 goals and was being played every match and wasn't being brought off after 60 mins.

Just wanting a fair comparison.

Compare what you like. All I did was present the stats as they are. I wasn't making any particular point.

I would take issue with you saying Hendo played every match, though. That's not true. He missed 9 or 10 and certainly did not start every one.
 
Compare what you like. All I did was present the stats as they are. I wasn't making any particular point.

I would take issue with you saying Hendo played every match, though. That's not true. He missed 9 or 10 and certainly did not start every one.

He missed a lot of games. He hardly ever played when Beattie was fit and at the club. He was injured for a while just after the new year and got injured towards the end of the season as well.

Apart from that I think he got himself sent off twice as well, missing another 6 games. I would like to see the stats but I cant imagine he played more than 50% of games last season!
 
Apart from that I think he got himself sent off twice as well, missing another 6 games. I would like to see the stats but I cant imagine he played more than 50% of games last season!

I've checked and he played 32 league games, scoring 6 times.

Sam Ellis said that Hendo will have missed 11 games due to suspensions after his latest ban. That's a very poor record.
 
Let's be honest, this isn't a thread about Henderson, it's a thread about how far we've slipped in our expectations. In the same way some of you've fallen in love with Monty, you now defend a footballing neanderthal who just about sums up our limitatons. If you like him, and you like his destroying game then good for you, personally I hate it. He isn't victimised by referees, he's so dumb he can't disguise his fouling game, which amounts to a large percentage of what he has to offer.

As was so eloquently aluded to by young Latters earlier, his hold up play isn't good, his mobility is piss poor and his lack of vision is plain to see. He's nothing more than a battering ram, a tactless oaf who gives more stick than he takes, and who fits perfectly into our skill less, talentless, attritional style.

Like I said, if you like Henderson and you like the style of football we play then enjoy it, they do tend to go hand in hand whereas me, I'd rather watch concrete set.

:gallop:
 
I take your point, Mart. It is an indictment on the way the club has been run over the last 3 years that there are good arguments for playing Henderson over other forwards. Unfortunately, he is arguably the best of a bad bunch. As you say, how far we've fallen.


I like Henderson, but he is extremely frustrating at times, particularly with his ill discipline at times. In that regard he reminds me of Morgan, in the early days. I think it was a match away to someone like Gillingham where he was red carded in a completely foolish manner - it was somewhat of a turning point for Morgs, he seemed to make a real effort to restrain himself after that. Hopefully the same attitude can be applied to Hendo.

Didn't Morgs get this red card for an assault on none other than Darius Henderson?
 
No I don't rate him.

I well remember the game at Gillingham where he fouled Morgan constantly throughout the game and eventually got him sent of. I was apopleptic with rage at his blatant fouling all the game.
He is still at it only, now, he is being "victimised by referees" according to some. He's dirty and I don't enjoy watching him play.
 



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