Liverpool Fans

[west_yorks_blade]

Do you have a link to that fact?

And of course a link to the fact that the manufacturers knew they were going to be used for that purpose.

 

[wizadry]

I don’t agree with the ‘acoustics’ argument, I sat on the Kop and they were heard loud and clear after the goal, I couldn’t hear them before this point due to them being very quiet, it had nothing to do with the ‘acoustics’.

 

[Brownieblade]

I disagree with some of that based on my own experiences but I can't claim to have anything like your knowledge of the city and it's people. Also, I left Sheffield because I didn't particularly like living there so

I think a lit of people's issues, at least around my age (38) is the Liverpool fans who aren't from the town. In Carlton there are about 40 of them, whenever Liverpool are on the telly you see them. And growing up, nothing was more insufferable than a Liverpoolfan from the Manor Top!

Without doubt mate, that’s why I don’t read newspapers or FB comments or listen to fan calls ins anymore, the main teams who seem to have fans from all over the country are as bad as each other and Liverpool fans may even be worse in that sense depending on the personal viewpoint

And yeh it’s different experiences, as much as I enjoyed living there some might have hated it and left as quickly as they arrived

I guess my issue is more the posters and those who see the club and fan base having a problem yet decide to use that to target scousers themselves, yeh they dislike the whole fan base and what happened at Hillsborough/Heysel and whatever but they seem to want to target the scousers, as in yeh there may have been fans from other parts of the country there but it was the scousers themselves that did

Not suggesting that’s what your saying BTW, just trying to talk in general etc, but yeh totally get why other fans would hate them if you have 20/30 posts from Ireland/Wales/Essex and Norway saying we’re great and your shit because you haven’t won this or that

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

And of course a link to the fact that the manufacturers knew they were going to be used for that purpose.

I’m no expert, but as far as I was aware, Sheffield wasn’t involved in this aspect of the trade. The chains were made in the West Midlands or nearer the ports.

Sheffield had involvement in the manufacturing of tools, some of which were used in the West Indies and items that were used by traders as gifts in Africa. Something that the Sheffield workers complained to parliament about in the late 1700’s.

Sheffield was an abolitionist stronghold and has always seemed to have a social conscience out of step with other cities.

 

[benn5712]

First few minutes they did the Champions of Europe song.

The Champions of League one was a proper retort (reyt word?).
Excellent banter. Needs to become a Blades anthem.

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

I never did have a soft spot for the scouser fuckers.
UTB

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

I’m no expert, but as far as I was aware, Sheffield wasn’t involved in this aspect of the trade. The chains were made in the West Midlands or nearer the ports.

Sheffield had involvement in the manufacturing of tools, some of which were used in the West Indies and items that were used by traders as gifts in Africa. Something that the Sheffield workers complained to parliament about in the late 1700’s.

Sheffield was an abolitionist stronghold and has always seemed to have a social conscience out of step with other cities.

I think the bulk of the chains and manillas were made by Abraham Darby in Bristol and Coalbrookdale.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

My personal experience of scousers is that they are the friendliest people I've ever met and certainly don't hold prejudices against certain sections of society that some sheffielders do

Love the way they stick up for themselves and don't take any shit

 

[RealMcCoy]

My personal experience of scousers is that they are the friendliest people I've ever met and certainly don't hold prejudices against certain sections of society that some sheffielders do

Love the way they stick up for themselves and don't take any shit

Perfect! I was trying to work out an appropriate response to all the bollocks. You’ve done it perfectly.

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

That’s fair enough mate, as I said my intention wasn’t to come across as the bigger man or something similar, every big city is going to have its fair share of dickheads and I’m not naive enough to think that just because I had no issues that was the same for everyone else, even scousers themselves

As for Hillsborough without doubt there probably was some jolly fans who were in pub till to late, or acting up or whatever etc, I’m not sure I have ever heard anyone say they were all Saints etc. I think though part of the problem, just an observation so I could be wrong, to many people were ready to just assume that everything happened as was widely accepted to have happened before the court cases, just because it was scousers and therefore it wouldn’t have happened to their club because they weren’t scousers, if that makes sense

I doubt very much there was a big well supported club who before that day didn’t have quite a few fans who would turn up last minute from pubs trying to get in, or during the 60/70/80 when you had hooliganism quite prevalent back then who were happy to try and jump turnstiles and not pay etc

As for Heysel, yeh completely get why people dislike them because it got clubs banned, what I personally don’t get, again same with Hillsborough, is why 91 other clubs act like it would never have been them if they were there instead of Liverpool. I have seen over my time lots of written stuff in Liverpool about what happened then. What’s often missed by people is that Liverpool fans had spent the entire day, some more than that, in town centre mixing and drinking with Juve fans without a hint of trouble. Unfortunately In the stadium someone started a rumour some kids had been attacked and it all went sour from there

Which leads me onto my own personal gripe at tanked up England fans abroad, most of them probably blame scousers for killing Juve fans yet they go over to somewhere, get tanked up and then get into some trouble, no doubt some will be innocent targets who got attacked or caught up etc but likely quite a lot aren’t, just makes me despair if people ever learn yet they will then blame scousers or millwall as always trouble

Those dickheads in Barcelona, yeh goes back to start of my post, obviously I still keep in touch with a quite a few from there and they were just as pissed off with them as everyone else because they no more than most how it would be viewed. Same with the Man City bus incident

Thanks Brownie. You've made me think and consider my views, which is always a good thing, especially in these rather "heated" times! Cheers.

 

[super_pig]

I think the “no Liverpool fans in Liverpool “ put around by Evertonians is the same as the claim there’s no Manchester United fans in Manchester put about by their blue neighbours - banter and not really based on much fact.
I for one know lots of scousers and the vast majority are reds not blues

i know a few all from Liverpool and they are all reds

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Do you have a link to that fact?

As far as I know chain making was a Black Country (no pun intended) speciality, and it's likely most of them were made there. Just to avoid controversy, that doesn't make our modern West Midlands mates any more racist than us or anyone else!

 

[Brownieblade]

Thanks Brownie. You've made me think and consider my views, which is always a good thing, especially in these rather "heated" times! Cheers.

No probs mate, you should have seen me last week on here In a Brexit debate, I was going off on one, throwing generalisations out as it got heated lol, wasn’t until someone pointed out how I was acting etc made me realise what I was doing

Not that I’m saying that’s what you were doing as well lol, just wanted to put a different experience on it

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

No probs mate, you should have seen me last week on here In a Brexit debate, I was going off on one, throwing generalisations out as it got heated lol, wasn’t until someone pointed out how I was acting etc made me realise what I was doing

Not that I’m saying that’s what you were doing as well lol, just wanted to put a different experience on it

Cheers, that's fine. I've deliberately avoided Brexit on here for that very reason!

 

[Brownieblade]

Cheers, that's fine. I've deliberately avoided Brexit on here for that very reason!

Your a smarter man than me lol