CONFIRMED Duffy joins Stoke City on loan

[I should coco]

It was Jerusalem last time I checked.

You didn't check very well then. How do you start a crusade in a city occupied by your enemies?

I presume the "Free the Duffy one march will start from the city hall steps tomorrow?

 

[RavBlade]

Wouldn't be the first time he's underestimated his importance to the team.

I really wish this situation hadn't panned out the way it has. Because experience tells us that this season there would have been every chance that the new CAMs would start as CW's favourites (much like Carruthers, Woodburn, et al) but wouldn't settle in as Wilder would have hoped and Duffy would be brought back into the starting XI to improve the team.

What's Plan B now if our attacking game doesn't click first few games?

Plan B is dropping Didzy deep same as last season remember. Plan C could be Robinson in there if we get Mcburnie, and if Ravel is as good as made out , could be a plan D. In short, we arent as stuck as we once was. And no I dont want Duffy to go, but he"s been a silly boy.

 

[Razor_Blade]

Yes, that's exactly how I read it. He asked for a pay rise, then got ostracised for his troubles. Its this bit that bothers me.

You was probably a Victorian mill owner in a previous incarnation.

He got a pay rise, then asked for another without even kicking a ball imbetween. Taking the piss if you ask me. He agreed a deal then hes basically said I want more without proving he's worthy of more....

 

[snootyfenooty]

I presume the "Free the Duffy one march will start from the city hall steps tomorrow?

I won't be expecting you, you'll be preoccupied soon with the "Save McCabe" march.

 

[Addison]

“He came to see my on Thursday, I think it was, and talked about a new contract,” the 51-year-old told the Sheffield Star. “I reminded him that he signed one 18 months back and got a rise to Premier League money.

“He won’t dictate to me when he signed a new contract and neither will his agent. It’s as simple as that.

“We told him that and he wanted to pursue different options. He wanted to do that and I gave him the weekend off to do that.”

Appreciate you're quoting from the Stir but CW's verbal account to Giddings differs. I prefer to go with the actual words from CW's mouth than the Stir which seems to have sensationalised the story and that hasn't helped matters.

What CW said was that Duffy signed the contract 18 months ago with the rise. There was no reference to him saying he reminded Duffy of that point.

CW said the money in his budget was primarily for new signings. He said he'll be the one who decides when contract offers are made to existing players not agents and players. Significant he said agents first.

CW said the conversation was brief and Duffy felt he needed to look elsewhere and secure his future. That indicates its about contract length and not additional money.

CW said he gave Mark the week end off to decide what he wanted to do. He then came to see him and wanted to look elsewhere. That suggests CW was hoping Duffy would have a re think over the week end and come back and say I'm staying. He didn't it may be at that point he indicated he'd got other offers so it looks like he's off.

Listening to that interview the only time CW comes across as annoyed is when he mentions he will decide when contract discussions take place not agents. Otherwise its a reasoned interview and not the picture the Stir is trying to create.

Logic suggests Duffy is not the only existing player who has recently knocked on CW's door in the last year of their contract. Baldock would seem to be one bearing in mind the stories about Celtics interest. IMO Duffy has got his timing wrong no doubt influenced by his agent. Its gone pear shaped and it sounds like the position is not recoverable.

Securing a longer contract is probably very important to Duffy. Ensuring we maximise the budget is very important to CW. Disagreements happen in football and both parties will move on. Duffy for me was one of our technically most gifted players. He will go with my best wishes and I will not fall into the trap of demonising a player who gave me the second best moment of my time watching Sheffield United.

 

[coolhandluke]

Yeah I read that too and it sounds all so mundane to me. Employee asks for pay rise, gets told to get lost etc. blah blah. Its the bit that comes after which I keep going on about, i.e., the ostracisation of the guy and the lemmings on here who are slavishly joining the hanging party. My take on it is that Wilder reckons he's got a replacement for Duffy at last and as they've never seen eye to eye he sees it as an opportunity to finally fuck him off, after about four failed attempts previously (Holmes, Evans, Carruthers, Dowell). Personally I wouldn't be so hasty on this given past events.

I'll refer you to a post I made earlier on this situation .

I genuinely don't believe that's something Wilder would even contemplate doing . Luke Freeman has been brought in to replace Duffy and I feel Wilder would have been more than happy to see Freeman starting with Duffy as back up .

Now if Duffys done what its alleged hes done I think hes well and truly shot himself in the foot with this one .

It's a real shame this as both parties lose out . Duffy will probably struggle to find any other club who will match his wages whilst we on the other hand have to pay his wages .

What a shit state of affairs for a brilliant servant to the Club .

Basically I think your reasoning on the part of Wilders motivation in all of this is miles away from what's actually happened .

I also believe your views of Duffys " ostracisation " by fans " slavishly " following Wilders lead on this is miles out . No one on here, or otherwise, has dismissed the role Duffy has played in our resurgence . But what everyone seems to share in this is a feeling of deep disappointment .

 

[snootyfenooty]

He got a pay rise, then asked for another without even kicking a ball imbetween. Taking the piss if you ask me. He agreed a deal then hes basically said I want more without proving he's worthy of more....

Yeah I agree. So Wilder says "you're taking the piss, fuck off" and thats the end of it. Except it wasn't, it got put in the public domain with no small amount of spin imparted upon it and the result is Duffy becoming toast as far as SUFC are concerned. Hmm, can't see that approach flying if Corbyn & co ever get to grips with industrial relations.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

It is just sad if it ends this way, whatever the rights and wrongs, just sad.

Thank you Mark Bounce Slaying Legend, for the enjoyment of the last 3 seasons

 

[guancheblade]

No one’s paying that for a 33 year old

How old was Cristiano Ronaldo when he moved to Juventus for £105M?

 

[snootyfenooty]

I'll refer you to a post I made earlier on this situation .

Rather than engage in sensible debate with you I'll refer you to the reply you made to one of my posts earlier:

I switched off there

You can't have it both ways pal.

 

[guancheblade]

Appreciate you're quoting from the Stir but CW's verbal account to Giddings differs. I prefer to go with the actual words from CW's mouth than the Stir which seems to have sensationalised the story and that hasn't helped matters.

What CW said was that Duffy signed the contract 18 months ago with the rise. There was no reference to him saying he reminded Duffy of that point.

CW said the money in his budget was primarily for new signings. He said he'll be the one who decides when contract offers are made to existing players not agents and players. Significant he said agents first.

CW said the conversation was brief and Duffy felt he needed to look elsewhere and secure his future. That indicates its about contract length and not additional money.

CW said he gave Mark the week end off to decide what he wanted to do. He then came to see him and wanted to look elsewhere. That suggests CW was hoping Duffy would have a re think over the week end and come back and say I'm staying. He didn't it may be at that point he indicated he'd got other offers so it looks like he's off.

Listening to that interview the only time CW comes across as annoyed is when he mentions he will decide when contract discussions take place not agents. Otherwise its a reasoned interview and not the picture the Stir is trying to create.

Logic suggests Duffy is not the only existing player who has recently knocked on CW's door in the last year of their contract. Baldock would seem to be one bearing in mind the stories about Celtics interest. IMO Duffy has got his timing wrong no doubt influenced by his agent. Its gone pear shaped and it sounds like the position is not recoverable.

Securing a longer contract is probably very important to Duffy. Ensuring we maximise the budget is very important to CW. Disagreements happen in football and both parties will move on. Duffy for me was one of our technically most gifted players. He will go with my best wishes and I will not fall into the trap of demonising a player who gave me the second best moment of my time watching Sheffield United.

Out of curiosity, what was your best moment watching the Blades?

 

[coolhandluke]

Rather than engage in sensible debate with you I'll refer you to the reply you made to one of my posts earlier:



You can't have it both ways pal.

Finally, you've admitted you're wrong . Well done .

 

[Addison]

Out of curiosity, what was your best moment watching the Blades?

Bobby Davison Double Day. In the top flight, the Pigs had a very good team then and they thought victory was a formality. Blades all over the ground.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Finally, you've admitted you're wrong . Well done .

Aye if you say so. Nearly time for your cocoa isn't it?

 

[Razor_Blade]

Yeah I agree. So Wilder says "you're taking the piss, fuck off" and thats the end of it. Except it wasn't, it got put in the public domain with no small amount of spin imparted upon it and the result is Duffy becoming toast as far as SUFC are concerned. Hmm, can't see that approach flying if Corbyn & co ever get to grips with industrial relations.

That's not how it happened though is it, he asked for time away to go explore other options, ads he tried to force wilder with there are other interested party's line. Annoyed by this Wilder gave him the go ahead.

All this came out because wilder was asked why duffy was omitted from the squad. Do you expect wilder to lie and say he's got flu?

NO player is bigger than the club.

 

[I should coco]

I won't be expecting you, you'll be preoccupied soon with the "Save McCabe" march.

Do you want another shovel passing down into that hole, as the first one must have nearly worn out by now?

 

[guancheblade]

All this came out because wilder was asked why duffy was omitted from the squad. Do you expect wilder to lie and say he's got flu?

Well it wouldn't be the first time the Club fed us that line now would it?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Bobby Davison Double Day. In the top flight, the Pigs had a very good team then and they thought victory was a formality. Blades all over the ground.

Your top two moments are both famous victories at the Rustbucket, both games our neighbours were telling us we did not stand a chance, dismissing our team as inferior/pub team, gloating how many they would put past us, as they romped to victory.

 

[bornablade]

Sir Alex Ferguson had to deal with bigger personalities and better players than Mark Duffy. If any player tried crossing that line, no matter how good they were then Sir Alex showed them the door.

If we want Chris Wilder to build a dynasty at the Lane then he needs to approach it in exactly the same way.

If on the other hand our ambitions stretch to seeing Mark Duffy play at Anfield then it's thanks and cheerio to Chris Wilder.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Given the lack of high quality transfer activity so far we really ought to be trying to keep the Duff, at least until January.

 

[snootyfenooty]

That's not how it happened though is it, he asked for time away to go explore other options, ads he tried to force wilder with there are other interested party's line. Annoyed by this Wilder gave him the go ahead.

All this came out because wilder was asked why duffy was omitted from the squad. Do you expect wilder to lie and say he's got flu?

NO player is bigger than the club.

As I mentioned earlier, Duffy's probably not the brightest kid on the block and Wilder probably found it easy meat dealing with him. The reporter could easily have been told that Duffy had been a bit of a twat (I think "contractual dispute" is the official term for this) and it was now in the process of being resolved. That Wilder saw fit to put a finality on all of this on what seemed to be a spur of the moment doesn't resonate with me.

 

[Boxer Blade]

The one area where Wilder has consistently failed is replacing Duffy. Dumping him without finding out if his replacements are up to the job would be complete madness and put unnecessary pressure on the newbies. Not giving him a longer contract at the moment is fair enough.

Bobby Davison Double Day. In the top flight, the Pigs had a very good team then and they thought victory was a formality. Blades all over the ground.

And mine, took my son for his first away match, away end upper tier, poor old dooley had to pack in his pre match pitch side interview with radio hallam because the blades fans were constantly chanting about beating the scum 2-0 very loudly, as you say blades packed in everywhere, can't see it being beaten although a certain match two years ago pushes it close!
P. S. By the end of the game "We beat the scum 5-1" was reverberating around the ground, brilliant memory, it's why we are football fans (any football fans)

 

[snootyfenooty]

Do you want another shovel passing down into that hole, as the first one must have nearly worn out by now?

Tsk, a fairly stock response in an attempt to convince readers that you are winning an argument when the opposite is usually the case. Try debating the point I have made rather than wimping out like that.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Given the lack of high quality transfer activity so far we really ought to be trying to keep the Duff, at least until January.

You should give Adrian Durham a ring Len.

 

[I should coco]

Tsk, a fairly stock response in an attempt to convince readers that you are winning an argument when the opposite is usually the case. Try debating the point I have made rather than wimping out like that.

What point did you actually make?

You seem to have parked your tanks on Wilder's lawn and are defending Duffy to the death.

It seems to me you are arguing a lost cause for the sake of buggeration, rather making any particular point.

 

[snootyfenooty]

What point did you actually make?

You seem to have parked your tanks on Wilder's lawn and are defending Duffy to the death.

It seems to me you are arguing a lost cause for the sake of buggeration, rather making any particular point.

Well, i'll quote my original post which kicked this all off. I made an observation, fairly innocuous at that, which got a few of the usual suspects frothing at the mouth as it was perceived as a hate crime against Wilder which seems to be the usual outcome now if you are mildly critical of anything at the Lane these days.

If I've read this thread correctly then there's been a whole load of invective heaped on Duffy and he's been hung out to dry for, erm, asking for a pay rise. Shame on him, remember that folks before you go knocking on your bosses door ever again. I also think that Wilder could have handled this better rather than turning Duffy into some kind of pariah.

And yes, I will defend Duffy to the death because if it wasn't for him and the other 4 stalwarts I mentioned earlier we'd still be arguing the toss whether it should be McEveley or Collins in the starting line up.

 

[COME BACK CHED]

I get your sentiment but we didn't "rescue" him.
He had just been promoted with Burton to the Championship and was offered a deal by them but he chose to come to us (in a lower league) over them.

Nobody could've predicted the 3 years that followed. It all just fellinto place for both Duffy and SUFC. He could've had 2 seasons in the Champ with Burton and then who knows where he would be now - We didn't rescue him

He was on loan at Burton ,as he could not make the Birmingham team , if Burton did offer him a contract it may have been a poor one ,

 

[Joeblades1]

I get your sentiment but we didn't "rescue" him.
He had just been promoted with Burton to the Championship and was offered a deal by them but he chose to come to us (in a lower league) over them.

Nobody could've predicted the 3 years that followed. It all just fellinto place for both Duffy and SUFC. He could've had 2 seasons in the Champ with Burton and then who knows where he would be now - We didn't rescue him

He wasnt offered a deal by Burton he was a free agent

 

[I should coco]

Well, i'll quote my original post which kicked this all off

Count me out then.

Once was more than enough.

 

[Harrisblade]

Yeah I read that too and it sounds all so mundane to me. Employee asks for pay rise, gets told to get lost etc. blah blah. Its the bit that comes after which I keep going on about, i.e., the ostracisation of the guy and the lemmings on here who are slavishly joining the hanging party. My take on it is that Wilder reckons he's got a replacement for Duffy at last and as they've never seen eye to eye he sees it as an opportunity to finally fuck him off, after about four failed attempts previously (Holmes, Evans, Carruthers, Dowell). Personally I wouldn't be so hasty on this given past events.

Nobody wants to 'hang' Mark Duffy.
That's just you being a drama queen.
Everyone was wondering why he wasn't playing and now we know.
MD (or his agent) played his hand and played it badly.
Not many players manage to walk into a managers office and ask to change a contract halfway through it.
I don't think any of us want to see him go before he's kicked a ball in the PL and I hope he has the good sense to apologise and hopefully see out the season.
I think most of us just think the manager has to have the final say - especially one that's done such good for the club.