Leeds manager more sour grapes

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I agree.

If Billy Sharp thought he had a chance of scoring he doesn't go down. There were 2 defenders covering. Yellow card for me.

Read the history books, its a red.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Muppet. Like he can stay on his feet when the keepers took them from under him!

Classy.

 

[grafikhaus]

So he's ahead of both defenders at all times and if he rounds the keeper he has a free shot on an open net and there's nothing either can do about it - apart from one defender who could lunge in from behind.

...or their number 6 suddenly becomes Usain Bolt to get back and cover the line. Can't believe we're even discussing whether it was a red or yellow, Leeds have been bending the rules for decades so fuck 'em.

More sour grapes from Patrick Bamford:

‘Hearing the Sheffield boys, it was as if they think they are already up. Eight games to go is a lot of points to play for and nothing is written in stone yet,’ Bamford said.

 

[Dalelane01]

To me its got to be a red card.the goalkeeper comes out of his area to commit a blatant proffessional foul on billy .bringing him down stopping a clear goalscoring chance.if the shoe had been on the other foot .i would have expected ur keeper to have been sent off

 

[blade too long]

I agree.

If Billy Sharp thought he had a chance of scoring he doesn't go down. There were 2 defenders covering. Yellow card for me.

Hard not to go down with a goal keeper clinging on to your leg
Ref on sky today said as red as red gets

 

[Broomhall Blade]

The Leeds manager has a point. Oh, hang on. He doesn't, because THEY LOST.

Lol. and indeed, more lol.

Let's face it, Flecky getting his early bath, Kilgallon vs the pigs and countless outh 'what's THAT for' moments where you've seen Blades players trudging off suddenly get their payback.

Leeds wanker can say what he likes. They'd have still lost.

pommpey

Stick to Brexit mate

 

[Karaoke Blade]

Here's the still frames:

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And the video:

The Leeds commentators say it's a red but i still think one of those defenders would've caught him and sent him wide

If he rounds the keeper , it's an open goal .Give it up.

 

[grafikhaus]

To me its got to be a red card.the goalkeeper comes out of his area to commit a blatant proffessional foul on billy .bringing him down stopping a clear goalscoring chance.if the shoe had been on the other foot .i would have expected our keeper to have been sent off

I largely agree. It seems the 'Was it a red/yellow?' argument seems to have polarised into a 'Would Billy have scored or not?' debate. When Rotherham's Vaulks and United's Madine were sent off, both incidents were near the halfway line so not 'preventing a goal'. All three incidents come under 'Professional foul' or 'Violent conduct'. Having a 14- 15-stone goalie flying into you could have seriously injured Billy and threatened to derail our season. Or maybe that was the plan?

 

[mattbianco1]

I largely agree. It seems the 'Was it a red/yellow?' argument seems to have polarised into a 'Would Billy have scored or not?' debate. When Rotherham's Vaulks and United's Madine were sent off, both incidents were near the halfway line so not 'preventing a goal'. All three incidents come under 'Professional foul' or 'Violent conduct'. Having a 14- 15-stone goalie flying into you could have seriously injured Billy and threatened to derail our season. Or maybe that was the plan?

That makes more sense when you put it like that.

 

[tincan]

Its fantastic play by Billy, take a foul and a keeper red card all-day long with 90seconds left.
We won, Bielsa s reputation is gone, flapper in the net for friendly Millwall.. far better than a 2 0

 

[PokerBlade]

Long thread, lots of ideas, so let's go to the actual laws of the game:

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:

• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
• denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)

DENYING A GOAL OR AN OBVIOUS GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY

Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a deliberate handball offence the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs.

Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.

A player, sent off player, substitute or substituted player who enters the field of play without the required referee's permission and interferes with play or an opponent and denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity is guilty of a sending-off offence

The following must be considered:

• distance between the offence and the goal
• general direction of the play
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
• location and number of defenders

Important to note is that the words "last man" have never actually appeared in the rules. That's an interpretation used to clarify "location and number of defenders".

But the key point is whether it's an obvious goal-scoring opportunity.

It's entirely possible that Sharp rounds the keeper, one defender closes him down, the other drops to cover the goal, and Sharp misses or has his shot blocked. That doesn't matter! It's whether it's an "obvious goal-scoring opportunity".

The points for consideration are the general things that indicate whether it's an opportunity or not. For instance, Sharp isn't turning back to face his own goal, he's heading around the keeper. He's heading, if not directly towards their goal, in that general direction. There's only two defenders back and the keeper would be completely out of the play. Sharp has the ball under control as he rounds the keeper.

By none of the criteria above, or even just by a general observation, would anyone unbiased argue this isn't a clear opportunity for Sharp to score. That makes it a red.

 

[Tezza1889]

The keeper doesn’t bring him down he scores there, it’s a red, you won’t have it will you but billy would have been quicker than the defenders and shooting at an empty net... he would have scored with his eyes closed..

It’s a red, the goalkeeper can not bring the striker down and deny a clear goal scoring opportunity that’s what he did, and that’s why it’s a red..

 

[SUFC Guy]

One goes to Sharp, other covers the line.

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I don't why Billy just didn't head it in from that point. Looks a cert goal to me

 

[Sheffsteel]

He’s right. There were 2 covering defenders so it wasn’t last man and should have only been a yellow.

Wrong, without the foul he would have scored into an empty net, cynical foul by the goalie.

 

[Sheffsteel]

mattbianco1, have you listened to Billy Sharp's post-match comments? I'd never expect him to admit to drawing contact, but he made a point of saying that he always wants to score in that situation and that was his intention. And knowing him, I believe him.

If it is in the penalty area and Sharp isn’t confident then he might choose to go down on contact
But Sharp will have known it was outside with little to gain from going down.
It also happened in the 90th minute so Leeds didn’t suffer being down to 10 men for long, their goalie will have known this and just wanted to keep the score down, just in case goal difference becomes vital.

 

[Topplayersleave]

I agree.

If Billy Sharp thought he had a chance of scoring he doesn't go down. There were 2 defenders covering. Yellow card for me.

Two defenders covering ????????
WHAT????

Two defenders were covering when Sharp was on the floor......Yes
If he'd gone around the keeper they'd have been nowhere near him

 

[itsinyerblood]

What on earth is wrong with acting like fully formed grown-ups and admitting that you performed a foul?

It's like a playground where small tribal gangs persist in the lie that they're never responsible for any wrong-doing.

Of course Leeds aren't alone in this nonsense. Wenger, when Arsenal's manager, was renowned as never having witnessed a single bad tackle or sly act by his side, quite possibly someone who shoulda gone to spec savers!

But on this occasion, let's call it what it is, a stupid, ill-judged foul. Maybe not on the scale of a Norman "bite yer legs" Hunter, but still full of dubious intent when under threat of conceding a goal. So come on Bielsa, in many ways you've lit up a sport that doesn't have too many genuine personalities, and we're better for it. But just this once, would it harm to say, "Yeah, my guy the goalie, he fucked up royally". You'd gain far more kudos and approval from those of us who were already warming to your very individual take on what it takes to be a football manager.

 

[mattbianco1]

Long thread, lots of ideas, so let's go to the actual laws of the game:

Important to note is that the words "last man" have never actually appeared in the rules. That's an interpretation used to clarify "location and number of defenders".

But the key point is whether it's an obvious goal-scoring opportunity.

It's entirely possible that Sharp rounds the keeper, one defender closes him down, the other drops to cover the goal, and Sharp misses or has his shot blocked. That doesn't matter! It's whether it's an "obvious goal-scoring opportunity".

The points for consideration are the general things that indicate whether it's an opportunity or not. For instance, Sharp isn't turning back to face his own goal, he's heading around the keeper. He's heading, if not directly towards their goal, in that general direction. There's only two defenders back and the keeper would be completely out of the play. Sharp has the ball under control as he rounds the keeper.

By none of the criteria above, or even just by a general observation, would anyone unbiased argue this isn't a clear opportunity for Sharp to score. That makes it a red.

But, apart from all that...

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

It looks like Bielsa is a troubled man clutching at straws, while Bamford has been sucking lemons.

 

[Karaoke Blade]

He seems to think their keeper should not have got a red card as other players around him. What an absolute tool he is as everyone can see Billy was about to pull the trigger into an empty net. He is bad loser of the first order. Here’s the link if you can put up with hearing him

If he feels so strong he ought to appeal. The FA should then double the length of the ban.

 

[BushBlade]

It was a red. Ref gave it. If Bielsa doesn’t like it he can appeal it. It didn’t cost them the game. Stop bending over backwards to be ‘reasonable’ about every decision given that in any way favours us and support your fucking team.

 

[pommpey]

What should happen is that the FA should listen to Balsa and look at the video. Then they should decide that in fact, he's right, the ref did send off Casilla wrongly and the match should be replayed, preferably with Billy suspended because quite obviously, he dived like fuck and bought the red card for their keeper. We should also play the game with no away supporters there and at a time and place of Leeds's deciding, with six minutes notice. We should also have our goals twice as big and twice as wide and theirs half as much in both dimensions, and their team to have fifteen on. Whatever the result, any goals we have won't count or better still, are actually Leeds United goals instead. And all our players should play with both legs tied together too. And all dressed in full scuba gear, tanks, masks, flippers, the fucking ish.

Yeah, that.

pommpey

 

[Topplayersleave]

What should happen is that the FA should listen to Balsa and look at the video. Then they should decide that in fact, he's right, the ref did send off Casilla wrongly and the match should be replayed, preferably with Billy suspended because quite obviously, he dived like fuck and bought the red card for their keeper. We should also play the game with no away supporters there and at a time and place of Leeds's deciding, with six minutes notice. We should also have our goals twice as big and twice as wide and theirs half as much in both dimensions, and their team to have fifteen on. Whatever the result, any goals we have won't count or better still, are actually Leeds United goals instead. And all our players should play with both legs tied together too. And all dressed in full scuba gear, tanks, masks, flippers, the fucking ish.

Yeah, that.

pommpey

I fucking hate it when we play for a draw

 

[TCsLoveChild]

I hope he does appeal as they may lengthen the ban . Personally I don't think Goalies should be allowed out of the box at all, they get enough advantage as it is. UTB

 

[ThatJa]

I guess they'll win the appeal they will 100% be submitting then, right?

 

[Weasel]

It's a sending off everyday of the week and 16 times this side of Sunday.

Nailed on red.

Any one who thinks otherwise should lay off the drink for a bit.

 

[pommpey]

It's a sending off everyday of the week and 16 times this side of Sunday.

Nailed on red.

Any one who thinks otherwise should lay off the drink for a bit.

I think you're not looking at it like Balsa

He's completely right when he says that the other two Leeds players were practically in their six yard box and facing Billy when he accidentally tripped over Casilla's outstretched arm which itself had hold of the ball in both hands, possibly in their area. The ref couldn't see because Balsa was closer to the play than the ref. Billy knew he couldn't score and was beaten to the ball, and whilst he did that nutted Jannsen AGAIN in the face so it should have been a ten match ten point ban and a billion pound fine.

Football is SO unfair to Leeds.

pommpey

 

[Ecco1889]

 

[coreyrhodes_89]

Thought he was quite upset

 

[Toronto Blade]

I don't know why anyone would listen to anything Bielsa says he is a proven cheat,that is all you need to know.
That rugby keeper walked off with a big smile on his face he knew exactly what he was doing and he expected what he got ! His only regret would be not injuring Sharp.