Duffy tweet

[LJBlade]

As I say, it’s there. Others HAVE picked this up (and on this thread if you would care to read it). Choose to ignore it if you must !

My opinion, as I have expressly stated, as is the opinion of a few others, is that POTENTIALLY, the tweet is EXACTLY what you suggest it is not. I might be wrong. I might not. Again, based on the evidence you choose to ignore, it raises suspicion.

No I don’t. But the consistency in which he is hooked raises suspicion. As has been said, there may be sound reasons as to why this is so. Based on the habitual nature of the substitutions, it raises suspicions that it is not all about runnIng out of gas. Duffy himself is quick to point out this is CATEGORICALLY not the case. Do you doubt what he states ?

I might be wrong. I might not. I might be reading too much in to it (as are others).

Time will tell !

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I’ve read the thread. There’s absolutely no evidence been provided that Duffy is having a dig at Wilder for always being substituted. The tweet in the OP isn’t even about him being substituted.

Do you truly believe that if Duffy has an issue with Wilder he would choose to talk about it on twitter, where Wilder isn’t likely to see it, instead of actually going to talk to Wilder in person, like a grown up?

I don’t doubt Duffy when he says that he’s capable of playing the full 90 but that only adds support to my argument. If Duffy isn’t tired then why would Wilder think he is. Wilder has all of the evidence available to him. Is it not possible that subbing Duffy is actually a tactical move by Wilder, considering he plays in the position where a change is likely to bring about the biggest effect?

If there was any evidence that Duffy is having a dig at Wilder you would be talking about, rather than skirting the issue.

Don’t forget that a lot of your ‘hunches’ have been way wide of the mark in the past, it’s not like you have a good eye for these sort of things.

 

[DronnieBlade]

I’ve read the thread. There’s absolutely no evidence been provided that Duffy is having a dig at Wilder for always being substituted. The tweet in the OP isn’t even about him being substituted.

Do you truly believe that if Duffy has an issue with Wilder he would choose to talk about it on twitter, where Wilder isn’t likely to see it, instead of actually going to talk to Wilder in person, like a grown up?

I don’t doubt Duffy when he says that he’s capable of playing the full 90 but that only adds support to my argument. If Duffy isn’t tired then why would Wilder think he is. Wilder has all of the evidence available to him. Is it not possible that subbing Duffy is actually a tactical move by Wilder, considering he plays in the position where a change is likely to bring about the biggest effect?

If there was any evidence that Duffy is having a dig at Wilder you would be talking about, rather than skirting the issue.

Don’t forget that a lot of your ‘hunches’ have been way wide of the mark in the past, it’s not like you have a good eye for these sort of things.

See post #42 for an example of what I state.

It is the opinion of what another poster actually saw. I can also confirm I have seen this.

Others, like myself, have speculated that there may be more to the tweet than you suggest. Again, ignore what is in front of you if you prefer.

As I have been at pains, times many, to explain, I might be wrong.

You prepared to admit the same ?

Also, please enlighten me as to what hunches have been WAY wide of the mark in the past. I’d be more than interested

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[Sean Thornton]

I don’t blame him for being fed up at getting subbed every game after an hour. It happens too often I think. Let somebody else have a rest. Whilever he’s on the pitch we’ve got a chance of creating something. You can almost set your watch to know when he’s going to be subbed. Can’t be reight all the time surely?

I’ve read the thread. There’s absolutely no evidence been provided that Duffy is having a dig at Wilder for always being substituted. The tweet in the OP isn’t even about him being substituted.

Do you truly believe that if Duffy has an issue with Wilder he would choose to talk about it on twitter, where Wilder isn’t likely to see it, instead of actually going to talk to Wilder in person, like a grown up?

I don’t doubt Duffy when he says that he’s capable of playing the full 90 but that only adds support to my argument. If Duffy isn’t tired then why would Wilder think he is. Wilder has all of the evidence available to him. Is it not possible that subbing Duffy is actually a tactical move by Wilder, considering he plays in the position where a change is likely to bring about the biggest effect?

If there was any evidence that Duffy is having a dig at Wilder you would be talking about, rather than skirting the issue.

Don’t forget that a lot of your ‘hunches’ have been way wide of the mark in the past, it’s not like you have a good eye for these sort of things.

I have no idea who Duffy having a go at. I will point out however that he’s not nineteen years old.

I have no idea if Wilder doesn’t like him either. Very few people would know that.

 

[LJBlade]

See post #42 for an example of what I state.

It is the opinion of what another poster actually saw. I can also confirm I have seen this.

Others, like myself, have speculated that there may be more to the tweet than you suggest. Again, ignore what is in front of you if you prefer.

As I have been at pains, times many, to explain, I might be wrong.

You prepared to admit the same ?

Also, please enlighten me as to what hunches have been WAY wide of the mark in the past. I’d be more than interested

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But that’s not evidence, it’s just speculation.

There’s nothing in front of me to ignore. You’ve not presented an argument based on anything solid.

I could be very wrong and I’d be more than happy to agree with you but that’s my point. I can’t agree with you unless you give me a reason to.

Can you not remember your ‘hunch’ that Wilder didn’t want Sharp and would therefore not be giving him a new contract?

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I think a big part of why we’ve seen him taken off on 60/70 mins in the past is the amount of ground he covers and the physical effort to get into certain areas and create space for that final ball. It’s one of the most difficult jobs on the field.

Our coaching team (like any other at our level) will underake statistical analysis of everything from what happens in certain areas of the pitch to energy levels of certain players and the ground that they have covered. Like every other player they will see what Duffy has been doing in recent games and will manage his playing time in accordance with that. I think it’s more a reflection of what he does, rather than how fit he is.

I have no doubts over Duffy’s professionalism and fitness. He’s one of our best players and deserves respect.

 

[diode_blade]

Chuffin nora, watch him sprint back from inside the swansea half when they broke in 1st half (i think) and allowed others to get back,,,wish i could have done that at the same age....
he was like a goddam sidewinder missile,,,we know he will tire but to get some of the flack he is now is sad.
Duffy the bounce killer.

 

[DronnieBlade]

But that’s not evidence, it’s just speculation.

There’s nothing in front of me to ignore. You’ve not presented an argument based on anything solid.

I could be very wrong and I’d be more than happy to agree with you but that’s my point. I can’t agree with you unless you give me a reason to.

Can you not remember your ‘hunch’ that Wilder didn’t want Sharp and would therefore not be giving him a new contract?

It’s not evidence you say. It’s speculation. Righdo. I whole heartedly disagree and that might be the thrust of it.

Good that you can admit you might be wrong. Noted. Many others posters seem incapable !

The whole Sharp contract thing has been blown out of all proportion. If you want me to admit I had this wrong, then I will happily do so. I would however point out I was, at the time, completely unaware (as it would appear others were) that Sharp had an “auto” contract extension clause that was just about to trigger. It was odd to me that, unaware of the contract clause, we appeared to be allowing the divisions top scorers contract to run down, with just a few months left.

Just pleased that Bill will (most likely and outside of any unexpected transfer) finish his career with us.

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[Sean Thornton]

It’s not evidence you say. It’s speculation. Righdo. I whole heartedly disagree and that might be the thrust of it.

Good that you can admit you might be wrong. Noted. Many others posters seem incapable !

The whole Sharp contract thing has been blown out of all proportion. If you want me to admit I had this wrong, then I will happily do so. I would however point out I was, at the time, completely unaware (as it would appear others were) that Sharp had an “auto” contract extension clause that was just about to trigger. It was odd to me that, unaware of the contract clause, we appeared to be allowing the divisions top scorers contract to run down, with just a few months left.

Just pleased that Bill will (most likely and outside of any unexpected transfer) finish his career with us.

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Aware or not, wasn’t your point Wilder doesn’t like him and that’s why his contract was being allowed to wind down?

 

[DronnieBlade]

Aware or not, wasn’t your point Wilder doesn’t like him and that’s why his contract was being allowed to wind down?

May I politely suggest that what you state above, is massively wide of the mark.

Read what I have put. Don’t twist it to suit an agenda. It’s so transparent, and I suspect we both know the reasons as to why

God I’m on fire at rubbing up folks the wrong way toneet

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[Sean Thornton]

May I politely suggest that what you state above, is massively wide of the mark.

Read what I have put. Don’t twist it to suit an agenda. It’s so transparent, and I suspect we both know the reasons as to why

God I’m on fire at rubbing up folks the wrong way toneet

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Is doesn’t rate him more accurate?

 

[Sean Thornton]

“Sharp - He will want to PLAY under someone. And play regularly. It would appear, increasingly, that this isn’t under Wilder”

 

[Rob86]

This has escalated ! My thoughts are that it’s in response to the fans reaction to yesterday’s defeat on twatter.

He often comes off but I think it’s done when we need to preserve him, change tactics, shore things up or if he’s shit. Basically the way you would normally sub an attacking player. If he is playing well and we need a goal he stays on longer.

 

[Stretch]

Wilder has gone on record numerous times to state his admiration of Duffy and what a fantastic signing he was for the club. Just last week he also spoke to RS about how he had 'mastered' the no 10 role and how hard Dowell would have to work to displace him.

Then last night Higginbotham stated on the Sky commentary that Wilder sat down with Dowell after he signed and made him watch videos of Duffy play, saying 'look at what he does, this is how good you need to be'.

It would be somewhat strange of Wilder to be saying and doing these things if there was some kind of rift. More likely he would be trying to shift him out rather than using him as the bar for a young talented PL loanee to aspire to.

I did see the incident in question when Duffy got subbed and looked annoyed, in fact it has happened a few times this season but we see that up and down the land when players get hooked. It's called pride and professionalism and Duffy certainly has that in bundles. But he doesn't seem like one to a) sulk about it [as alluded to in his matchday programme comments] or b) risk his career at the biggest club he is ever likely to play for by spitting his dummy out on twitter towards the manager.

A few idiots giving him stick because we lost has caused this, nothing more.

 

[LS16Blade]

Swansea started subbed off at 66 mins
QPR started subbed off at 68 mins
Wigan started subbed off at 66 mins
Blackburn started subbed off at 56 mins
Derby started subbed off at 80 mins
Ipswich started played 90 mins
WBA started subbed off at 77 mins
Reading didn't start subbed on at 46 mins
Leeds started subbed off at 62 mins
Brentford didn't start, didn't get on
Rotherham started subbed off at 80 mins
Wednesday started played 90 mins
Stoke started subbed off at 86 mins
Derby started subbed off at 65 mins
Hull City started subbed of at 66 mins
Blackburn started subbed off at 74 mins
Millwall started subbed off at 90 mins
Preston started subbed off 85 mins
Birmingham started subbed off at 77 mins
Bristol started subbed off at 68 mins
Villa started subbed off at 72 mins
Bolton started subbed off at 69 mins
QPR started subbed off at 70 mins
Boro didn't start subbed on at 69 mins
Swansea didn't start subbed on at 87 mins

Without wanting to get into Bielsa-type depths of analysis, in the majority of these games, the state of the match didn't change i.e. where we were winning, we won or where we were losing, we lost.

The games in which the state of the match changed after Duffy was substituted, however, lend weight to the argument that taking Duffy off the pitch is more likely to harm us and cost us points rather than help us.

There have been 2 games (Stoke and Rotherham) where we were leading when Duffy was substituted, but ended up drawing.

There have also been 3 games (Bristol City, Derby (A), and Leeds) where we were drawing when Duffy was substituted, but went on to lose.

In addition, at Reading, of course, we were level and labouring until Duffy was brought on and we went on to win.

There have been just 3 games all season where, after Duffy was taken off, the state of the match changed for the better: PNE when Duff went off at 2-2 and we got a late winner; Hull when Duffy went off at 0-0 before we got the match-winning penalty; and Blackburn at home when Duffy went off at 0-0 after Bash was sent off, before we went on to win.

 

[LJBlade]

“Sharp - He will want to PLAY under someone. And play regularly. It would appear, increasingly, that this isn’t under Wilder”

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/outs.68415/page-3#post-1892607

“I have always maintained that Wilder does not really rate him”. Post #48.

 

[LJBlade]

It’s not evidence you say. It’s speculation. Righdo. I whole heartedly disagree and that might be the thrust of it.

Good that you can admit you might be wrong. Noted. Many others posters seem incapable !

The whole Sharp contract thing has been blown out of all proportion. If you want me to admit I had this wrong, then I will happily do so. I would however point out I was, at the time, completely unaware (as it would appear others were) that Sharp had an “auto” contract extension clause that was just about to trigger. It was odd to me that, unaware of the contract clause, we appeared to be allowing the divisions top scorers contract to run down, with just a few months left.

Just pleased that Bill will (most likely and outside of any unexpected transfer) finish his career with us.

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Yep, it’s speculation, not evidence. If you disagree then I suggest you get yourself a dictionary and look up the word ‘evidence’.

Duffy’s tweet was aimed at fans on twitter. Nothing more. If you want to start believing in something that isn’t there then feel free.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Yep, it’s speculation, not evidence. If you disagree then I suggest you get yourself a dictionary and look up the word ‘evidence’.

Duffy’s tweet was aimed at fans on twitter. Nothing more. If you want to start believing in something that isn’t there then feel free.

Righdo.

That’s me told !

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P.S. don’t let the Fact that multiple observers claim, on this very thread,to have seen what happened happened, that you, apparently did not, cloud your judgement

 

[LJBlade]

Righdo.

That’s me told !

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P.S. don’t let the Fact that multiple observers claim, on this very thread,to have seen what happened happened, that you, apparently did not, cloud your judgement

What happened exactly? Did Duffy say “that Wilder is completely pissing me off, he’s always saying I’m not fit enough to play the full 90 minutes. I’m going write a very angry tweet about this” or something along those lines? Because if he didn’t then I’m not sure exactly what your point is.

 

[DronnieBlade]

“Sharp - He will want to PLAY under someone. And play regularly. It would appear, increasingly, that this isn’t under Wilder”

Right.

Context.

This is a quote, attributable to myself, that relates DIRECTLY, to the view I have ( and still have) that there have been times in the Wilder years that he has “favoured” Clarke over Sharp. A subject to which you are acutely aware.

Nothing more.

If it suits your purpose to score “points”, as is abundantly clear with your being very quick to jump on the thread about me getting the Sharp contract issue wrong, to which I have freely admitted, than good on ya. Well played !

I’ll have to console myself with the fact my getting this wrong WONT end up costing me 20 quid

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[DronnieBlade]

What happened exactly? Did Duffy say “that Wilder is completely pissing me off, he’s always saying I’m not fit enough to play the full 90 minutes. I’m going write a very angry tweet about this” or something along those lines? Because if he didn’t then I’m not sure exactly what your point is.

“Not sure exactly what your point is”

I can live with that.

Sorry. I must have read too much in to this. Seeing as you, apparently, have carte Blanche on what runs through Mark Duffys mind. FACT

Are you Duffy in disguise ?

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[LJBlade]

“Not sure exactly what your point is”

I can live with that.

Sorry. I must have read too much in to this. Seeing as you, apparently, have carte Blanche on what runs through Mark Duffys mind. FACT

Are you Duffy in disguise ?

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Sorry, I should have said, I’m not sure you have much of a point.

I don’t have carte blanche on what runs through Mark Duffy’s mind but once again that supports my argument. Neither do you and unless you can show absolute evidence to suggest that Duffy is annoyed with Wilder because Wilder doesn’t think he can play 90 minutes then I have to disagree with your speculation. Strange that you’re taking the word of some posters on this thread but not those who point out how positive Wilder is when talking about Duffy.

Anyway, this is getting dull. When you’ve got something of substance to support your claims, let me know. Until then I’ll just file this one away with all the other times you’ve been way wide of the mark.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Sorry, I should have said, I’m not sure you have much of a point.

I don’t have carte blanche on what runs through Mark Duffy’s mind but once again that supports my argument. Neither do you and unless you can show absolute evidence to suggest that Duffy is annoyed with Wilder because Wilder doesn’t think he can play 90 minutes then I have to disagree with your speculation. Strange that you’re taking the word of some posters on this thread but not those who point out how positive Wilder is when talking about Duffy.

Anyway, this is getting dull. When you’ve got something of substance to support your claims, let me know. Until then I’ll just file this one away with all the other times you’ve been way wide of the mark.

It’s just getting interesting sat in my Perch !

Rhetorical question. Have I somehow managed to get under your Skin ?

And not just on this topic ?

If you can admit, privately to yourself, that this “might” be the case, then you have fallen foul to the classic playing the poster, not the post.

I’m used to it. And you are welcome

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[Sean Thornton]

Right.

Context.

This is a quote, attributable to myself, that relates DIRECTLY, to the view I have ( and still have) that there have been times in the Wilder years that he has “favoured” Clarke over Sharp. A subject to which you are acutely aware.

Nothing more.

If it suits your purpose to score “points”, as is abundantly clear with your being very quick to jump on the thread about me getting the Sharp contract issue wrong, to which I have freely admitted, than good on ya. Well played !

I’ll have to console myself with the fact my getting this wrong WONT end up costing me 20 quid

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I have already admitted your call Re Billy/Leon goals was correct and l was therefore wrong.

Thats a fact, while your comments on what Wilder “thinks” are mere opinions. Such as the Sharp contract issue. As with Duffy’s meaning in his tweet. You don’t know. The people who agree with you don’t know, yet you tell LJBlade he’s wrong, with no evidence whatsoever.

Maybe like the Sharp contract issue, you could be wrong again?

Like when you wrongly claimed you had never said Clarke was shite?

 

[Sean Thornton]

It’s just getting interesting sat in my Perch !

Rhetorical question. Have I somehow managed to get under your Skin ?

And not just on this topic ?

If you can admit, privately to yourself, that this “might” be the case, then you have fallen foul to the classic playing the poster, not the post.

I’m used to it. And you are welcome

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Swerve.

 

[metalblade]

Maybe if he is going to react and get upset by a few negative tweets he should stay away from social media, just a thought. A shame really when 99% of tweets support his efforts.

 

[boo radley]

Has anyone considered, it might just be his Mum calling him in for Tea? Good lad that Mark Duffy, always does what his Mum says. Never wipes his nose on his shirt unlike that Van Aken kid. Just be thankful its not his ball we're playing with or we would be stuffed.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I said on shoutbox the other night that Duffy was pissed off when he was subbed on Saturday.

From this I feel the next stage is a training ground scrap involving Wilder, Duffy and Billy (he hates Wilder remember). Madine will probably be involved as well just because.

 

[Dnblade]

I think Duffy gets subbed a lot when we want to change things..like on Saturday when we went 433 ...easy to sacrifice Duffy in the 10 role and play 3 strikers when we are chasing the game,or it's not quite working and we need to change things in the final 3rd of the pitch.

 

[Jehovah]

I think Duffy gets subbed a lot when we want to change things..like on Saturday when we went 433 ...easy to sacrifice Duffy in the 10 role and play 3 strikers when we are chasing the game,or it's not quite working and we need to change things in the final 3rd of the pitch.

Trouble is we then create naff all. Dowell came on and needed a simple pass to Clarke and put far too much on it.

 

[LJBlade]

It’s just getting interesting sat in my Perch !

Rhetorical question. Have I somehow managed to get under your Skin ?

And not just on this topic ?

If you can admit, privately to yourself, that this “might” be the case, then you have fallen foul to the classic playing the poster, not the post.

I’m used to it. And you are welcome

UTB

Nice swerve away from the topic . I often find that people change the subject when they realise they've backed themselves into a corner.