Lengthy absence for Monty?

[raul]

I'd say a fair barometer of the direction the club is taking is illustrated in this thread. It usually only takes one or two games for Monty to become the focal point of our limitations. This year, it's taken ten.:gallop::gallop:

 

[shorehamview]

I wish people would see him for what he is and stop loving him for being a shit tryer.

I wish people would see him for what he is and stop hating him for not being Zinedine Zidane. He is a very good defensive midfield player. If you actually watch him during a match you will come to see this, instead of getting on his back because he doesn't spray accurate passes around like David Beckham, all day every day.

......seems to get a bit carried away and think he is a footballer

He is employed by Sheffield United Football Club as a footballer, so I guess that means he thinks he is a footballer because he is one.

I'd say a fair barometer of the direction the club is taking is illustrated in this thread. It usually only takes one or two games for Monty to become the focal point of our limitations. This year, it's taken ten.

Exactly. Why do some of our fans hate Monty for being what he is, rather than what they want him to be? You can wish that he played like any number of creative midfielders, like TC, Hoddle and the like, but the plain fact is that Monty isn't and never will be a player like that. He is however a damned good defensive midfielder, one who even Patrick Vieira thought was a good player a few years ago, and he's improved since then.
And how inspiring can it be for any player for his fans to be singing "he's got a touch like a rapist"?

Do you hate a dog for not being a cat?

 

[stinkyblade]

Spot on SV

People don't realise what he does for us in a game, yet one stray pass is met with a chorus of moans and groans, but Evans puts a foot wrong well it's unlucky Ched etc.

Feel for Monty at times, we know he isn't technically a fantastic player, but what he does he does well. Heart on sleeve, all that matters for me.

 

[judge]

I wish people would see him for what he is and stop hating him for not being Zinedine Zidane. He is a very good defensive midfield player. If you actually watch him during a match you will come to see this, instead of getting on his back because he doesn't spray accurate passes around like David Beckham, all day every day.


He is employed by Sheffield United Football Club as a footballer, so I guess that means he thinks he is a footballer because he is one.



Exactly. Why do some of our fans hate Monty for being what he is, rather than what they want him to be? You can wish that he played like any number of creative midfielders, like TC, Hoddle and the like, but the plain fact is that Monty isn't and never will be a player like that. He is however a damned good defensive midfielder, one who even Patrick Vieira thought was a good player a few years ago, and he's improved since then.
And how inspiring can it be for any player for his fans to be singing "he's got a touch like a rapist"?

Do you hate a dog for not being a cat?

did you actually read my post ?

to quote one bit of it out of context and then tell me to watch him play means to me you obviously didnt

first of all i dont hate the lad

and secondly i have watched and have just wasted 2 fucking posts explaining that and where i think his shortfalls are

thirdly (hope your reading this and not just looking for a bit to quote to make me look bad )

i think you know full well what i meant when i stated "thinks hes a footballer "

 

[ken shabby]

Good at: Running lots, 100 % committed, pressurising, occasional tackle, very occasionally gets a pass off to a team mate.

Faults: shooting crap, passing usually crap, usually just thumps it anywhere, gives away silly free kicks by trying too hard & diving in early, can not cross a ball, heading suspect.

Can`t think of any other midfielder we`ve ever had with so many limitations, a friend tried to change my thinking by stating some of the fine passes monty gave last season, outside of foot v. brum, & cross-field v. preston etc. trouble is you can just about rememebr every single one they were so infrequent. Whereas monty gives 10 splendid passes a season , a proper midfielder does that in one or 2 games.

A grand 4th div footballer if long ball is your bag.

I like his commitment, that `s about it.

 

[Micalijo]

You are wasting your time Judge.

My take on this is that his passing and touch in key areas (and he gets forward far more than I would call normal for a defensive midfielder) is atrocious and detrimental to any prospect of retaining possession and creating chances. I don't see any other 'defensive midfielder' in CCC so bad in possession.

Opposition sides know it and can let Monty have possession all day long - let him run with the ball all day long.

CooperBlade will slate me for saying he can't play in a 442 and use Fulham game as evidence but I am adamant that is the case. Watching De Jong last night, he literally sits in front of back 4 and lets the front 4 or 5 get on with it. They don't play 442 and can fit someone like him in. Should we build our side around Monty - no way. I assume people think he is our version of De Jong? Well they play in different positions.

What I will say is that the forthcoming appearances of Ryan France will make all of Monty's faults pale into insignificance. This bloke is a seriously bad player in top CCC terms, believe me. And before you say he did OK on Saturday, anyone could have done a job against that pathetic Donny side - I think he was poor and totally ineffective. Ignoring the away games for now, against Cardiff and Newcastle it will be humiliation in midfield.

 

[Revolution]

What I will say is that the forthcoming appearances of Ryan France will make all of Monty's faults pale into insiginificance. This bloke is a seriously bad player in top CCC terms, believe me.

I must admit this worries me too.

Our best hope is that Harper re-appears in time for the next game and he's in the middle with Quinn, I suppose.

 

[Kev Gee]

I know ive been a critic of Monty in the past but i hope he gets better ASAP!

 

[SBSP]

I don't think it is important that Monty gets back to fitness as quick as possible - he can be easily replaced.

All you need is somone fit enough to run for 90mins who supports united and wants to do well for them.

Footballing ability is NOT required.

I'm sure quite a lot of people could play the 'Monty' role.

 

[sitwell]

Occasional tackle ? Try watching and realising football is a team game made up of 11 different components. Concentrate on what he can do rather than what he can't do.

 

[SBSP]

Occasional tackle ? Try watching and realising football is a team game made up of 11 different components. Concentrate on what he can do rather than what he can't do.

That won't take long!

 

[Woodwaaard]

He's excellent at what he can do but, as others have said, he simply doesn't have enough of a "complete game" to be considered as a CCC midfielder.

It isn't enough to concentrate on what he does well when his other deficiencies are so blindly obvious. I pointed out in an earlier post that other managers don't ever appear to want to buy Monty from this "selling club". There must be a good reason for this.

 

[Darthblade]

I thought that France did ok in the second half against Donny. Certainly looked better in centre mid than he does at fullback.

 

[Bladesway]

You are wasting your time Judge.

My take on this is that his passing and touch in key areas (and he gets forward far more than I would call normal for a defensive midfielder) is atrocious and detrimental to any prospect of retaining possession and creating chances. I don't see any other 'defensive midfielder' in CCC so bad in possession.

Opposition sides know it and can let Monty have possession all day long - let him run with the ball all day long.

CooperBlade will slate me for saying he can't play in a 442 and use Fulham game as evidence but I am adamant that is the case. Watching De Jong last night, he literally sits in front of back 4 and lets the front 4 or 5 get on with it. They don't play 442 and can fit someone like him in. Should we build our side around Monty - no way. I assume people think he is our version of De Jong? Well they play in different positions.

What I will say is that the forthcoming appearances of Ryan France will make all of Monty's faults pale into insignificance. This bloke is a seriously bad player in top CCC terms, believe me. And before you say he did OK on Saturday, anyone could have done a job against that pathetic Donny side - I think he was poor and totally ineffective. Ignoring the away games for now, against Cardiff and Newcastle it will be humiliation in midfield.

Do you have any positive things to say about any of the players at the club. What about the management and the board? In fact do you have a single positive thing to say about anything related to SUFC in any shape or form? I don't see it in your posts. Why do you bother?

 

[Isiah]

Medial ligament apparently, out for eight weeks.

 

[TonyAgana]

Medial ligament apparently, out for eight weeks.

Not too bad then - good news. GWS Monty!

 

[Micalijo]

Do you have any positive things to say about any of the players at the club. What about the management and the board? In fact do you have a single positive thing to say about anything related to SUFC in any shape or form? I don't see it in your posts. Why do you bother?

Yes - Ward is one of the most exciting talents in the division and I really enjoy watching him play. Morgan is outstanding. Other than that I really am struggling. Treacy looks like a talented lad but isn't ours - same with Walker.

Management and Board - hard for me to say anything positive about them at present. We have a great ground and huge respect for legal victory in Tevez case.

More than happy watching mid-table CCC football in long-term if it is accompanied with a bit of spark, zest and skill. Not sure we have that but I have said on here that I think the games have been better to watch than last term.

Why do I bother - because it is in my blood and I like drinking. The good times are so sweet with SUFC and you have to endure to fully enjoy.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Yes - Ward is one of the most exciting talents in the division and I really enjoy watching him play. Morgan is outstanding. Other than that I really am struggling. Treacy looks like a talented lad but isn't ours - same with Walker.

Management and Board - hard for me to say anything positive about them at present. We have a great ground and huge respect for legal victory in Tevez case.

More than happy watching mid-table CCC football in long-term if it is accompanied with a bit of spark, zest and skill. Not sure we have that but I have said on here that I think the games have been better to watch than last term.

Why do I bother - because it is in my blood and I like drinking. The good times are so sweet with SUFC and you have to endure to fully enjoy.

Well said Macalijo although I would describe Morgam more solid and dependable than outstanding and I endorse your comments re; Ward
I believe the board has lost its way somewhat and caught between developing the stadium for premiership and world cup football and developing the football team to compete in the premiership if we ever get there!
We are making ground improvements to increase capacity yet our on the field performances looks miles away at present.
There doesn't appear to be any long term plans as regards the development of the team and Blackwell / McCabe believe that loan players are the answer. Loan players very rarely show the commitment and effort of club players (eg Monty) and usually their main aim is to get match fit as they have not played regularly.
I would prefer to see some kind of development plan, structured team building and a positive way forward rather than just lurching from crisis to crisis as we appear to be doing at present - and before anyone else say we're 6th look at the points 1 less and we could be a lot lot lower it is that tight - I refer to 5 points out of the last 15

 

[Bladesman]

I wouldn't care that much if it wasn't for the fact Williamson is injured aswell.

 

[Trevor Hockey]

All developments at the lane are double edged - they improve the stadium and are accompanied by income generating facilities ( see the office block as an eg.). The same happens at Shirecliffe which now pays for itself.

Once the income streams come in the benefit goes toward the team on the pitch. Doing it this way means the structure of the club is sound. It is also important to realise that banks and finance houses are NOT lending money for players and haven't been for some time - not just to the Blades but all clubs.

Therefore developing the club / ground / team in this way is prudent and sensible. Its why so many other clubs refer to United as the model to follow.

 

[Trevor Hockey]

oops - sorry - that was for Fiery to his point about the club developing the stadium before the team !

(TH goes and stands in corner )

 

[shorehamview]

did you actually read my post ?

Yes. Otherwise I wouldn't have selected a bit to quote, I'd have just quoted the lot.

to quote one bit of it out of context and then tell me to watch him play means to me you obviously didnt

I really did. I quoted the bit where you said this, to save quoting the whole lot and to save people reading the whole lot again.

...seems to get a bit carried away and think he is a footballer

That's why there was just a bit of it, and not the whole post. I did read it, honestly.

first of all i dont hate the lad

and secondly i have watched and have just wasted 2 fucking posts explaining that and where i think his shortfalls are

thirdly (hope your reading this and not just looking for a bit to quote to make me look bad )

i think you know full well what i meant when i stated "thinks hes a footballer "

Third, the bit where you say you think I know full well what you mean, well let's just assume that I'm not capable of reading your mind, or indeed anybody else's shall we? Rather than you predicting that I can read minds let's take it as read that I'm not Derren Brown, and that I didn't know what you meant when you posted this

...seems to get a bit carried away and think he is a footballer

He's not a lion tamer, is he? A lost brickie who somehow managed to get a game for the local pub side? A wandering vagabond? No. He's a footballer. Dresses like a footballer every Saturday, runs about on the pitch, kicks the ball now and again, tackles and even sometimes passes to a team-mate. yep, that seems to tick all the boxes for "footballer" for me.

If you meant "he thinks he is a creative midfield maestro" then fair enough, because he isn't. But he is definitely as footballer. Unless he's Derren Brown, in which case he really is good.

 

[thorpe hesley]

Hes on Radio Sheffield now.

 

[Liaminho9]

who does everyone think would play well in the defensive midfielder role?

me personally, killa

granted, he's the best defender in the division, but he could do well in CDM.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

But he can't split a defence open, or cross a ball with consistency, or play a good one-two on the run. And some people expect more.

Just as an aside - can anyone remember when we last played regular one-two on the run around the box to create a goal, or work through the midfield?

 

[Micalijo]

I think that both Preston matches contained some excellent, incisive, creative football. Can't remember any classic one-twos but there was really decent movement.

No idea what happened in those 2 games but it was good to watch.

 

[judge]

Yes. Otherwise I wouldn't have selected a bit to quote, I'd have just quoted the lot.

I really did. I quoted the bit where you said this, to save quoting the whole lot and to save people reading the whole lot again.

That's why there was just a bit of it, and not the whole post. I did read it, honestly.



Third, the bit where you say you think I know full well what you mean, well let's just assume that I'm not capable of reading your mind, or indeed anybody else's shall we? Rather than you predicting that I can read minds let's take it as read that I'm not Derren Brown, and that I didn't know what you meant when you posted this


He's not a lion tamer, is he? A lost brickie who somehow managed to get a game for the local pub side? A wandering vagabond? No. He's a footballer. Dresses like a footballer every Saturday, runs about on the pitch, kicks the ball now and again, tackles and even sometimes passes to a team-mate. yep, that seems to tick all the boxes for "footballer" for me.

If you meant "he thinks he is a creative midfield maestro" then fair enough, because he isn't. But he is definitely as footballer. Unless he's Derren Brown, in which case he really is good.

he is not a footballer

footballers play football ,monty runs about a lot

 

[shorehamview]

he is not a footballer

footballers play football ,monty runs about a lot

He plays football for Sheffield United. So what is his job then? His official, tells it to the taxman, says it on his passport job? I bet you a quid it's footballer.

 

[judge]

he cant play football

 

[shorehamview]

260+ appearances for Sheffield United would seem to dispel the myth that Monty can't play football. Unless of course he's simply wandered into the dressing room by mistake more than two hundred and sixty times. Hmmmm.....