Q for the stattos

[vas borbokis]

Do the stattos think goals per minute of possession is or could be an informative thing to look at?
I suspect we'd be near the bottom of such a table when in and out of posession. I.e low goals (for) per minute when in posession and high goals (against) per minute when out of posession.
We could also look at chances created and xg in the same way.
I suspect this analysis would reveal a real lack of urgency in creating chances.
I do enjoy watching us move the ball round the pitch but am sure our rather ponderous approach allows opposition defences far too much time and opportunity to negate our threat. Conversely we concede because we are not afforded much time to get ourselves defensively organised by our opponents, leading to goals like Rotherham's second on Saturday where we are stretching to get back in shape.
Thoughts anyone?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Do the stattos think goals per minute of possession is or could be an informative thing to look at?
I suspect we'd be near the bottom of such a table when in and out of posession. I.e low goals (for) per minute when in posession and high goals (against) per minute when out of posession.
We could also look at chances created and xg in the same way.
I suspect this analysis would reveal a real lack of urgency in creating chances.
I do enjoy watching us move the ball round the pitch but am sure our rather ponderous approach allows opposition defences far too much time and opportunity to negate our threat. Conversely we concede because we are not afforded much time to get ourselves defensively organised by our opponents, leading to goals like Rotherham's second on Saturday where we are stretching to get back in shape.
Thoughts anyone?

I think you can bend stats to make them prove whatever you're looking for but I'm pretty sure the coaching staff are on top of all that, Tufty himself has mentioned it a few times. At the end of the day, all the stats in the world don't help missed penalties, not scoring from 2 yards out and defenders deflecting blocks into striker's paths.

 

[Billyblade]

I was speaking to an amateur manager the other day who likes to play the same way. Lots of possession and passing with a team full of players that are comfortable on the ball.
He was saying that occasionally they come up against teams that are very adept at negating this tactic. It can be a very long frustrating game as the opposition very often defend very deep in 2 banks. He counters by telling his team to back off and allow the opposition to come onto them. This allows space to open up behind which his team can exploit with their slick passing game and pace. I think therein lies the problem. We still lack pace particularly in the final third and our wing backs are not penetrating as well and as often as they should.

 

[Geordie Blade]

I'm quite a big fan of 'goals scored' as a summary stat.

 

[beatific blade]

Blades Analytics one for you Jay?

 

[COME BACK CHED]

I Like the stat " mind the gap " . not original for us , but good . I think it was started in the suburbs of Stocksbridge

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I'm quite a big fan of 'goals scored' as a summary stat.

Me too.

I was pretty fed up of our rubbish possession football by the end of last season, I'm downright sick of it now.

I'd much rather let the opposition have all of the ball but score more goals than them.

 

[Grecian2000]

Question 2.

Do you think you'd enjoy the game more by just watching it and not worrying about numbers?

Can't think of any game I've ever watched that has been enhanced afterward by reading any "statistics". I've either enjoyed it or not, nowt changes that.

 

[Sheffsteel]

We could also look at chances created and xg in the same way.
I suspect this analysis would reveal a real lack of urgency in creating chances.
I do enjoy watching us move the ball round the pitch but am sure our rather ponderous approach allows opposition defences far too much time and opportunity to negate our threat?

Swings and roundabouts.

Suspect that the top Italian and Spanish teams have a worse chance creation compared to possesion than us.
Never heard anyone complaining that those clubs lack urgency, it’s their accepted style of play.

It’s mainly about educating fans and what fans find entertaining.
Some will accept any style as long as it’s successful, however even then it’s not exactly accurate.
Take Middlesbro, they are having a great season but their fans are disallusioned because the negative hoofball is so poor to watch under Pulis. Personally I prefer our more patient style under Wilder. I usually enjoy watching United even if we draw or lose.

 

[BushBlade]

Do the stattos think goals per minute of possession is or could be an informative thing to look at?
I suspect we'd be near the bottom of such a table when in and out of posession. I.e low goals (for) per minute when in posession and high goals (against) per minute when out of posession.
We could also look at chances created and xg in the same way.
I suspect this analysis would reveal a real lack of urgency in creating chances.
I do enjoy watching us move the ball round the pitch but am sure our rather ponderous approach allows opposition defences far too much time and opportunity to negate our threat. Conversely we concede because we are not afforded much time to get ourselves defensively organised by our opponents, leading to goals like Rotherham's second on Saturday where we are stretching to get back in shape.
Thoughts anyone?

How would a stat help? We can all see our deficiencies without having to put a metric to it, I’m pretty sure if you can see it and I can see it, Wilder can.

 

[Sheffsteel]

He counters by telling his team to back off and allow the opposition to come onto them. This allows space to open up behind which his team can exploit with their slick passing game and pace. I think therein lies the problem. We still lack pace particularly in the final third and our wing backs are not penetrating as well and as often as they should.

Interesting plan B.
I’ve heard this theory before, when teams park the bus the trick is to deliberately let them have the ball so they push up and then pounce on them on the break. However as said we do lack pace for the counter attack.

You can be sure that Wilder and Knill are well aware of our strengths and weaknesses and are working on a plan B and plan C.
Remember Wilder is still a novice at Championship level and he’s still learning his trade at this level.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Duffy's goal against Rotherham was only the second in nine games which came about at a time when the opposition team did not have plenty of men behind the ball, waiting for us.

I think this is something we should look at improving. We need to punish teams more when they're vulnerable and have few players behind the ball.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

and........we're 6th in the table based on goals scored and equal 5th on conceded so about where we should be

 

[vas borbokis]

Question 2.

Do you think you'd enjoy the game more by just watching it and not worrying about numbers?

Can't think of any game I've ever watched that has been enhanced afterward by reading any "statistics". I've either enjoyed it or not, nowt changes that.

Well if the stat was subsequently acted upon by the manager and coaching staff to work out where we can change the team ethic to create a little more havoc, and to add more goals to our posession, then I think I'd be well pleased the stats had been useful/instrumental in bringing anout the required change.
It would mean I'd be likely enjoy the subsequent games even more, where we are hopefully more of a goal threat (per minute).