Ex Pig talking sense

[Davalon]

Just watched the game on tv after being at the Lane last night. You always see things you didn't whilst at the game.

However it was Andy Hinchcliffe who pleased me the most. I agreed with everything he said and as he said, if our board can't see the opportunity now, they never will.

The time is now. If we build more gradually then we will need even more as some players get too old and others are inevitably sold.

Hang in around where we are until January and the chance is there to be taken.

Over to you warring owners. We have the manager, we have most of the players. This is surely the opportunity you've been waiting for to get any money back.

 

[Maidenhead]

Just watched the game on tv after being at the Lane last night. You always see things you didn't whilst at the game.

However it was Andy Hinchcliffe who pleased me the most. I agreed with everything he said and as he said, if our board can't see the opportunity now, they never will.

The time is now. If we build more gradually then we will need even more as some players get too old and others are inevitably sold.

Hang in around where we are until January and the chance is there to be taken.

Over to you warring owners. We have the manager, we have most of the players. This is surely the opportunity you've been waiting for to get any money back.

Or piss even more up the wall if the gamble doesn't pay off, and it is a gamble, there are no guarantees in football.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Just watched the game on tv after being at the Lane last night. You always see things you didn't whilst at the game.

However it was Andy Hinchcliffe who pleased me the most. I agreed with everything he said and as he said, if our board can't see the opportunity now, they never will.

The time is now. If we build more gradually then we will need even more as some players get too old and others are inevitably sold.

Hang in around where we are until January and the chance is there to be taken.

Over to you warring owners. We have the manager, we have most of the players. This is surely the opportunity you've been waiting for to get any money back.

I just can't see how there will be any funds available. HRH is on record saying he thinks enough money has been spent and McCabe won't stump up unless he matches it.

Also they don't even communicate, except through lawyers.

 

[Stretch]

Just watched the game on tv after being at the Lane last night. You always see things you didn't whilst at the game.

However it was Andy Hinchcliffe who pleased me the most. I agreed with everything he said and as he said, if our board can't see the opportunity now, they never will.

The time is now. If we build more gradually then we will need even more as some players get too old and others are inevitably sold.

Hang in around where we are until January and the chance is there to be taken.

Over to you warring owners. We have the manager, we have most of the players. This is surely the opportunity you've been waiting for to get any money back.

Or piss even more up the wall if the gamble doesn't pay off, and it is a gamble, there are no guarantees in football.

Much less of a gamble now though, and we have NOT spent the Brooks money yet, at least on transfers anyway.

Anyone can see that we are a whisker away from being the team who could smash this league to pieces in the second half of the season. One or two quality additions needed, and that's it.

 

[Maidenhead]

Much less of a gamble now though, and we have NOT spent the Brooks money yet, at least on transfers anyway.

Anyone can see that we are a whisker away from being the team who could smash this league to pieces in the second half of the season. One or two quality additions needed, and that's it.

For one of them it will be cash that they will never get back if they lose the ownership battle.

Do you think either of them will risk millions on that?

The Brooks money has gone in running costs for the same reason, neither of them is going to bet substantial money on the decision of the judge.

 

[Rodley]

For one of them it will be cash that they will never get back if they lose the ownership battle.

Do you think either of them will risk millions on that?

The Brooks money has gone in running costs for the same reason, neither of them is going to bet substantial money on the decision of the judge.

If we get up, either of them will get a better receipt from being bought out by the other. And whoever retains ownership gets the riches of the Premier League and a possible big money sale to another party. There’s plenty of incentive to push on.

 

[Maidenhead]

If we get up, either of them will get a better receipt from being bought out by the other. And whoever retains ownership gets the riches of the Premier League and a possible big money sale to another party. There’s plenty of incentive to push on.

I don't think so.

As I understand it the price has been determined by McCabe's offer to buy the Prince out.

The argument is all about the real estate.

In that scenario the only winner will be the one that ultimately ends up with the shares.

 

[Stretch]

For one of them it will be cash that they will never get back if they lose the ownership battle.

Do you think either of them will risk millions on that?

The Brooks money has gone in running costs for the same reason, neither of them is going to bet substantial money on the decision of the judge.

Well if that's the case then we better hope to god that a Leeds, Forest, Boro.. whoever don't tire of their current manager any time soon. Because I am telling you now that Wider would get any of those teams out of this league at a canter, and on 3 times his current salary as well.

And if the majority of the Brooks money has disappeared into a black hole, before we have a decent replacement, then it's scandalous.

 

[SUFC Guy]

I think the court stuff will run into next summer. Who would dump their stake in the club before we know where we might end up?

Speculate to accumulate!

 

[finlaytheblade]

Well if that's the case then we better hope to god that a Leeds, Forest, Boro.. whoever don't tire of their current manager any time soon. Because I am telling you now that Wider would get any of those teams out of this league at a canter, and on 3 times his current salary as well.

And if the majority of the Brooks money has disappeared into a black hole, before we have a decent replacement, then it's scandalous.

Don't think Wilder would hold back, he's got backing of the fans so would tell if the owners withdrew the money in his budget as it stands.More is needed to bring in the quality needed ,we will see,

 

[Davalon]

Or piss even more up the wall if the gamble doesn't pay off, and it is a gamble, there are no guarantees in football.

McCabe wants to get as much money back as he can. The Prince was always about making a profit by getting the club to the PL.

What's the better option for them?

 

[Maidenhead]

McCabe wants to get as much money back as he can. The Prince was always about making a profit by getting the club to the PL.

What's the better option for them?

And if we spend and don't go up how do they recover their stake that they don't want to inject in the first place?

Unfortunately the team is not currently the first priority of either party.

 

[Maidenhead]

And if the majority of the Brooks money has disappeared into a black hole, before we have a decent replacement, then it's scandalous.

Why is it scandalous?

It costs a.lot of money to run a football club and we've been selling players to pay our way for longer than the 50 years I've been a follower.

Neither owner wants to put any more cash in so where else are the funds going to come from?

The owners are the custodians of the club on behalf of the supporters but that doesn't come with an obligation to spend spend spend their own money ad infinitum.

The sooner some people, and I'm not saying you, understand that and get a grip on reality the sooner they will stop trying to spend other peoples money to brighten their own existence.

 

[Stretch]

Why is it scandalous?

It costs a.lot of money to run a football club and we've been selling players to pay our way for longer than the 50 years I've been a follower.

Neither owner wants to put any more cash in so where else are the funds going to come from?

The owners are the custodians of the club on behalf of the supporters but that doesn't come with an obligation to spend spend spend their own money ad infinitum.

The sooner some people, and I'm not saying you, understand that and get a grip on reality the sooner they will stop trying to spend other peoples money to brighten their own existence.

Look I am normally something of a clapper when it comes to SUFC, but..

It's scandalous because we were told that we no longer need to sell our talented young players to be sustainable, granted that was a few seasons back but still. If Brooks didn't fall into that category then I don't know who does.

None of us want to see us spend irresponsibly, a glance over the city shows how that can turn out. But we made a huge profit on Brooks and it seems to have been held back by our 'custodians' for what? Legal costs, to reduce their personal losses, or for day to day running costs that they should be putting in anyway?

If they don't back Wilder sufficiently they will rue it, because somebody else will.

All that being said, we are still in a fantastic position, but I can see us scrimping and saving in January when what we need is one last shot in the arm to take us to the next level.

If I am proven wrong, then I am happy to come on here in February and eat my words.

 

[Maidenhead]

Look I am normally something of a clapper when it comes to SUFC, but..

It's scandalous because we were told that we no longer need to sell our talented young players to be sustainable, granted that was a few seasons back but still. If Brooks didn't fall into that category then I don't know who does.

None of us want to see us spend irresponsibly, a glance over the city shows how that can turn out. But we made a huge profit on Brooks and it seems to have been held back by our 'custodians' for what? Legal costs, to reduce their personal losses, or for day to day running costs that they should be putting in anyway?

If they don't back Wilder sufficiently they will rue it, because somebody else will.

All that being said, we are still in a fantastic position, but I can see us scrimping and saving in January when what we need is one last shot in the arm to take us to the next level.

If I am proven wrong, then I am happy to come on here in February and eat my words.

I share all your frustrations but I fear that until the ownership situation is sorted out then we are where we are.

It's not what you, me, or anybody else wants but I have accepted that it is what it is, and if I'm wrong and we get that "shot in the arm" I might be in for a pleasant surprise, but in the meantime I won't be agonising over matters that I can't influence.

UTB

 

[SwissBlade]

Just watched the game on tv after being at the Lane last night. You always see things you didn't whilst at the game.

However it was Andy Hinchcliffe who pleased me the most. I agreed with everything he said and as he said, if our board can't see the opportunity now, they never will.

The time is now. If we build more gradually then we will need even more as some players get too old and others are inevitably sold.

Hang in around where we are until January and the chance is there to be taken.

Over to you warring owners. We have the manager, we have most of the players. This is surely the opportunity you've been waiting for to get any money back.

Wilder is getting backed with the money that the owners can afford and this summer alone we've brought in quality:
- England u21 Goalkeeper
- £2 Million on Norwood
- £4 Million on Egan
- McG on a free, arguably the best business this club has done in years

Money is available for a Striker, we had bids in but it makes no sense to bust the bank for a player like Waghorn that clearly isn't worth the 8 Million that Derby apparently paid. We have to be patient and trust that what we're getting is what we want.

I'm sure that Wilder would love to be able to pick up his top targets on Day 1 of the Transfer window, but it's not so simple when players like Rhodes and Waghorn are getting purchased for way over their value.

 

[Stretch]

I share all your frustrations but I fear that until the ownership situation is sorted out then we are where we are.

It's not what you, me, or anybody else wants but I have accepted that it is what it is, and if I'm wrong and we get that "shot in the arm" I might be in for a pleasant surprise, but in the meantime I won't be agonising over matters that I can't influence.

UTB

Fair enough. It's just a massive shame off the field matters can't align with those in it.

 

[Davalon]

And if we spend and don't go up how do they recover their stake that they don't want to inject in the first place?

Unfortunately the team is not currently the first priority of either party.

The risk element of spending goes without saying.

It doesn't answer the question of if they aren't willing to spend a little more now in this position, what can they possibly hope to achieve.

Waste an opportunity, fund more losses, risk losing the manager and better players?

The MO is obviously to get up spending as little as possible, and clearly we've got limited funds but I don't believe Wilder's stance will be we don't need to strengthen come January.

I just hope they see the opportunity to support him realistically and provide the missing link.

 

[TintwistleS2]

Just watched the game on tv after being at the Lane last night. You always see things you didn't whilst at the game.

However it was Andy Hinchcliffe who pleased me the most. I agreed with everything he said and as he said, if our board can't see the opportunity now, they never will.

The time is now. If we build more gradually then we will need even more as some players get too old and others are inevitably sold.

Hang in around where we are until January and the chance is there to be taken.

Over to you warring owners. We have the manager, we have most of the players. This is surely the opportunity you've been waiting for to get any money back.

Before the game its how many the Blades score after its cant score against a crap team! But for the owls its gives a breathing space for their manager. P&G will be cant wait for all our injured players to come back etc Hinchliffe waiting for another 8 weeks then the transfer window but will the owls be so far behind would it be worth it.
Wilder will be planning for Jan hopefully still in top 6 . Think I know where I like to be in Jan

 

[WalkelyFan]

Look I am normally something of a clapper when it comes to SUFC, but..

It's scandalous because we were told that we no longer need to sell our talented young players to be sustainable, granted that was a few seasons back but still. If Brooks didn't fall into that category then I don't know who does.......

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He wanted to leave for a much bigger and better offer than we could pay. We have just seen what happens to a team that pays over the odds in an attempt to get out of the Championship. Aston Villa and Middlesboro and Derby will struggle with FFP.

I am happy to progress season by season - and no-one can deny that is what we are doing under Wilder. I do agree that we need some players. A young replacement for Duffy would be nice. A quality premier league loanee up front would be good. And for those screaming for a young fast striker - Man City are paying Sterling £300,000 A WEEK! That's one going rate!!

 

[Tom Bott]

And if the majority of the Brooks money has disappeared into a black hole, before we have a decent replacement, then it's scandalous.

Its called wages, if the team is promoted do you think they will be happy to stay on the same money as they are on now.

Every new contract agreement gives the player a huge wage increase, part of the incentive to stay.

£ 10 K per week is 1/2 million per year.

 

[metalblade]

It as always been the case at United for as long as I can remember we always just need that little bit extra but can't afford it John Harris put together a great team in the early 70's most of who ended up just a few points off the League winners but we had the south stand to pay for. Kendal put a great team out in the 90's who were playing some of the best football seen for years Spackman took it on then we sell Deane and Fjiortoft on the same day. Wilder has put a great team together now but we still need a bit of extra quality up front or in attacking midfield to win games like last night when teams park the bus, the infighting in the boardroom means it is very unlikely we will get any additions of the said quality.
Shit or bust this season if we don't manage to go up we will once again lose our best players and have to start over again possibly without Chris Wilder ....................... I don't think I could take that after all the years of going to the lane.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I don't think so.

As I understand it the price has been determined by McCabe's offer to buy the Prince out.

The argument is all about the real estate.

In that scenario the only winner will be the one that ultimately ends up with the shares.

If the offer - from either of them - has been rejected, isn't it off the table? That's basic contract law about offer and acceptance I believe.

 

[Maidenhead]

If the offer - from either of them - has been rejected, isn't it off the table? That's basic contract law about offer and acceptance I believe.

Short answer is that I don't know.

I guess it depends on the terms of their initial partnership agreement.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

He wanted to leave for a much bigger and better offer than we could pay. We have just seen what happens to a team that pays over the odds in an attempt to get out of the Championship. Aston Villa and Middlesboro and Derby will struggle with FFP.

I am happy to progress season by season - and no-one can deny that is what we are doing under Wilder. I do agree that we need some players. A young replacement for Duffy would be nice. A quality premier league loanee up front would be good. And for those screaming for a young fast striker - Man City are paying Sterling £300,000 A WEEK! That's one going rate!!

We'll risk Sterling on loan if Man City pay his wages, give 'em a chance to see if Wilders system suits them.

 

[I should coco]

£ 10 K per week is 1/2 million per year

The club has to pay employer's NI @ 13.8% and a pension contribution, so more like £750k per 'average' player on £10k.

It doesn't matter though as the experts on here know wages can always be ignored.

We don't have the 'Brooks money'. We took a dodgy loan against the future payments to fund current running costs.

As Maidenhead has patiently explained, the owners could lose whatever they put in in January, if they lose the court battle. They could of course make a separate agreement for the 'winner ' to refund the loser's share, but that looks highly unlikely as mediation has just broken down.

Expect SFA in January.