Wilder requests backing in January transfer window

[nopigfansintown]

100% correct mate
But I think the manager and FD should be at a bit of opposition in a nice way. One has to control the purse strings, whilst the other has to stretch them to bring success to his job description, ie promotion.
Hopefully that needle brings a meeting of minds with a combined success.
I would hate it if wilder asked for money, the bean counter said no and he just agreed!
Professional respect would only ensue if they argued a little at least?

I agree, it's in the football team's interests for him to push as much as possible and finish as high as possible. Since the summer Wilder has been outspoken about having "barely touched" the Brooks money. Now he's come out with this latest piece. Is it politics played out in public and a reacquaintance with last season's issues. I've no idea?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Doesn't look like the ownership issues are going to be resolved any time soon, so CW isn't going to have a huge amount to spend.
Does he gamble on one "marquee" signing that could fire us to promotion? What if he turns out to be crap? Or his wages alienate the other players? Plus we have to try to hang on to players like Fleck & JOC who will inevitably interest other teams. It's going to be a tricky balancing act.

I've never been a big fan of high cost loans. You have no asset and a big bill if you don't get promoted.An insignificant bill if you do.I wouldn't have been against us going for one player, instead of the four we did sign though.There are ways around the wage issues such as loan and signing on fees.

 

[Caseh]

I don't think his transfers last january were a failure in any sense of the word. He deemed the budget not suitable to make guaranteed improvements to the first team, so made gambles with squad builders and made money on them. I don't think you can expect any more from him than that.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I'm not sure any money will be spent in Jan. Potentially 2 loans. 1 to replace Woodburn and another forward. I just have no idea how we'd get funds together for anything else. The owners don't seem to communicate and both have made it clear they won't invest unless the other one matches it. Also, the 2 players he mentioned by name for Fulham were loans.

We had a sizable transfer surplus in September. Surely if we were going to spend, a manager who is notorious for wanting full value would have done it then.

 

[Dellas Cowboys]

Both.That's additions that would've guaranteed top six and a healthy balance sheet.We're in an extremely healthy position FFP wise and just need the right ownership to push on now.

megalomaniac, criminal or bit of both?

 

[nopigfansintown]

megalomaniac, criminal or bit of both?

The one with the readies.

 

[Worksop II]

1 to replace Woodburn

My dream of turning out for the Blades lives on .............

 

[Sheffsteel]

Everyones hoping the board need to back Wilder but no one has specified what that means.

I reckon being back would be 6 or 7 million.
The problem is that amount won’t buy us guaranteed top end players.
So even if we spend 7 million on a striker there will still be an element of risk.

Norwood wasn’t getting starting a game after Xmas at Fulham so was slightly under the radar.
I reckon Wilder will be using s similiar tactic to target players that were once highly rated but are currently out of favour at their club.

 

[bromtom]

I bet Emery, Silva etc will be saying similar, and they're at relatively rich Premier League teams.

Only the managers of the ridiculously wealthy clubs don't remind the board they want access to the chequebook a couple of months in advance.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Do you think Wilder hasn't expressed those views internally?

I’d say that the message is to the players - were top of the league but were still looking to improve so no time for sitting back

Of course wilder will have talked to the board.

It’s hardly a back me or sack me and it’s a long way away from his end of season toys out the pram from last season, so I guess it’s just a nice filler for sky sports

Of course he will have talked to the board but the key quote is:-

“We'll try and do that in our way. It's well-documented that we can't compete at the top end. We have to make sure we get it right if I'm allowed to."

“If i’m allowed to”. I don’t know how much more clearly he has to spell out that he doesn’t yet know if the board are willing to back him or not.

He understands that you have to use the media to get the required response sometimes. He’s done so before with success at both Northampton and United.


What would we call backing him?

Well, he got Norwood and Egan for a combined fee of £7M and we should have at least that still left from the Brooks sale (we apparently bid £5M for Waghorn which wasn’t spent).

So a long-term Duffy replacement/cover (Freeman/Powell) and a younger quality striker should be achievable with that sort of transfer budget.

£7M investment for a manager chasing a £200M jackpot. It’s not too much to ask is it? And Wilder has proved his signings usually increase in value even without promotion.

It should be a no-brainier for any shrewd Businessman, never mind two!

 

[bromtom]

Hopefully our market is Norwood land. Perpetually loaned out/ out of fabour Premier League players.

If you've heard of them, don't bother. We've no chance in hell of stealing anyone from another Championship club, like Freeman or Robinson because they're on their way to their highest value, whereas someone like Norwood can be had on a cut price deal because they're taking up space on a wage bill for a team that has no wish to play them and the big fee has already been paid and they'll never get their money back.

 

[SwissBlade]

Of course he will have talked to the board but the key quote is:-

“We'll try and do that in our way. It's well-documented that we can't compete at the top end. We have to make sure we get it right if I'm allowed to."

“If i’m allowed to”. I don’t know how much more clearly he has to spell out that he doesn’t yet know if the board are willing to back him or not.

He understands that you have to use the media to get the required response sometimes. He’s done so before with success at both Northampton and United.


What would we call backing him?

Well, he got Norwood and Egan for a combined fee of £7M and we should have at least that still left from the Brooks sale (we apparently bid £5M for Waghorn which wasn’t spent).

So a long-term Duffy replacement/cover (Freeman/Powell) and a younger quality striker should be achievable with that sort of transfer budget.

£7M investment for a manager chasing a £200M jackpot. It’s not too much to ask is it? And Wilder has proved his signings usually increase in value even without promotion.

It should be a no-brainier for any shrewd Businessman, never mind two!

Sounds like he’s covering all bases in those quotes

Can’t compete at the top end = message to fans: don’t get your hopes too high

If I’m allowed to = being respectful to the owners

As I said in my first post. There’s nothing new or sensational or political in this article. Just a standard, average, dull pre transfer window interview with the manager

Of course it’s all about interpretation. But we all know that wilder doesn’t do political. Except when he wanted a new contract in the summer and he threw the toys out of the pram

 

[nopigfansintown]

Sounds like he’s covering all bases in those quotes

Can’t compete at the top end = message to fans: don’t get your hopes too high

If I’m allowed to = being respectful to the owners

As I said in my first post. There’s nothing new or sensational or political in this article. Just a standard, average, dull pre transfer window interview with the manager

Of course it’s all about interpretation. But we all know that wilder doesn’t do political. Except when he wanted a new contract in the summer and he threw the toys out of the pram

Contract was offered at Christmas.

 

[Harrisblade]

Sounds like he’s covering all bases in those quotes

Can’t compete at the top end = message to fans: don’t get your hopes too high

If I’m allowed to = being respectful to the owners

As I said in my first post. There’s nothing new or sensational or political in this article. Just a standard, average, dull pre transfer window interview with the manager

Of course it’s all about interpretation. But we all know that wilder doesn’t do political. Except when he wanted a new contract in the summer and he threw the toys out of the pram

Except that you have no idea what was happening in the boardroom at that time.
Maybe Wilders 'throwing his toys out of the pram' got him enough funding to give him a chance of team improvement.
Obviously not great - but perhaps it was looking worse back then

 

[SwissBlade]

Except that you have no idea what was happening in the boardroom at that time.
Maybe Wilders 'throwing his toys out of the pram' got him enough funding to give him a chance of team improvement.
Obviously not great - but perhaps it was looking worse back then

For me, his bleating is the only blot on an otherwise perfect record.

You’re right, I don’t know what was happening. However, I like to keep things simple. Owners talk about ownership, not football. Managers talk football, not ownership or their employment contracts.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Managers talk football, not ownership or their employment contracts.

Ahem.

 

[super_pig]

https://www.skysports.com/football/...ter-window-moves-for-premier-league-promotion

Sheffield United boss Chris Wilder eyeing winter window moves for Premier League promotion

Sheffield United manager Chris Wilder wants the club to back him in the January transfer window to boost the Championship leaders hopes of promotion.
Sky Sports

Sheffield United Chris Wilder is already targeting the winter transfer window

The Blades are two points clear at the top and go to fellow promotion rivals Nottingham Forest on Saturday.

But Wilder is already planning for the winter transfer window and believes it will be key to his side's promotion challenge as they look to return to the Premier League for the first time since 2007.

Asked about January spending, he told Sky Sports News: "It's their [the board's] decision. I'm an employee of the football club but I will give my recommendations.

"As all managers will say, you want to improve and you're one player short of what we need.

"We felt we got value for money for what we brought in in the summer and hopefully we can push on in January.

"I do think sometimes the players need that extra boost but at the moment we've got a strong squad, stronger than we were last year but hopefully we can add in January although it is a notoriously different market to work in.

Wilder has been Sheffield United boss since May 2016

"You look at last year, possibly Fulham were the outstanding ones in terms of what they did bringing Matt Targett and Aleksandar Mitrovic.

"That gave them a big boost and fired them to promotion but I think all the teams will now be looking to do the same and obviously there's a small amount of players you can go for.

"We'll try and do that in our way. It's well-documented that we can't compete at the top end. We have to make sure we get it right if I'm allowed to."

he obviously has someone in mind already

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Any team in this divisions first choice striker.

I know Boro fans that hate Assombalonga for example. Imagine him in our team.. we need to literally go out and buy a championship striker, with cash, not £50k, like £6 or £7m

Quite possibly - depends whether anyone would sell - like Boro.

In the end it all depends what our fans think we need - personally I reckon all the elements of the team are good enough, but we do need luck with injuries and suspensions, but centre forward an absolute 100% need and will always be a gamble.

We should have got something from Bristol and Derby and more v Stoke at home, and to get more we need a centre forward. It might be harsh on Sharp, Clarke and McGoldrick, but for me it's not about personalities. Considering where we have been, last season was a once in a generation chance for us and I reckon we all know why we failed - we have been given yet another and better once in a generation chance, and hopefully the owners can find the investment to take it this time.

UTB

 

[Rusty view]

I think he's getting this in early to give a nudge to McCabe and Prince. And try and get some money put aside for January.

The snippets I hear is the relations ship is dead and buried between, our owners meaning the likely hood of funds in January.

I truly hope money is available as we don't want to waste the chance we have this year (given where we are right now). Fully appreciate things could take a dip before January, but equally we could find ourselves still around the top 2 or 3.

 

[Aston max]

If someone said to me we have sold none of the first 11 but we have added assombalonga and jota in January that would do me 15 million outlay with the best chance of a 200 million pay back job done

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

If someone said to me we have sold none of the first 11 but we have added assombalonga and jota in January that would do me 15 million outlay with the best chance of a 200 million pay back job done

Assombalonga is way overrated. Would hate to see us waste the readies on him.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Assombalonga is way overrated. Would hate to see us waste the readies on him.

Never been the same after that shocking injury he had.

 

[snootyfenooty]

But one impacts on the other, no? He's in charge of a budget, so player sales (and profits) will have an impact on his budget and whether he can push the team on. Fulham were shopping in a different market where they could cherry pick proven quality. Wilder has to make informed gambles, with an eye on successfully moving them on if they don't work out.

Fulham spent considerably less than us. They made a couple of judicious loans which paid off. They brought in Mitrovic and Targett on loan. We brought in Wilson on loan plus the terrible trio. Fulham went North, we went South.Their's was the informed gamble, ours wasn't, simple as that.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Fulham spent considerably less than us. They made a couple of judicious loans which paid off. They brought in Mitrovic and Targett on loan. We brought in Wilson on loan plus the terrible trio. Fulham went North, we went South.Their's was the informed gamble, ours wasn't, simple as that.

Considerably less with those loan fees plus wages? Highly dubious. I'd be suprised if the loan fee for Mitrovic alone didn't make up the vast majority of our spend.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Why do you think kept your tickets so cheap? If a business buys something and sells it for a profit it's usually deemed good business.

United's business is not trading players for a profit, it's trying to win football matches and the odd competition every 100 years give or take.

Listening to half the posters on here our ticket prices are anything but cheap. If I deemed the ticket prices as too expensive I would tell the club to stuff them and stop going. Its a free market.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Considerably less with those loan fees plus wages? Highly dubious. I'd be suprised if the loan fee for Mitrovic alone didn't make up the vast majority of our spend.

Mitrovic cost Fulham about £1m for the loan. Not much more than we paid for Wilson.

 

[nopigfansintown]

United's business is not trading players for a profit, it's trying to win football matches and the odd competition every 100 years give or take.

Listening to half the posters on here our ticket prices are anything but cheap. If I deemed the ticket prices as too expensive I would tell the club to stuff them and stop going. Its a free market.

I was being facetious.Should've put a smiley face or something.I do think trading players for a profit helps with winning football matches - if you do it right. That's been Wilder's MO since he got the job. The free maket and football fans are seldom bedmates.SUFC would've gone bust a long time ago if that was the case. Man City's an hour away, with comporable prices

 

[bertieblade]

United's business is not trading players for a profit, it's trying to win football matches and the odd competition every 100 years give or take.

Listening to half the posters on here our ticket prices are anything but cheap. If I deemed the ticket prices as too expensive I would tell the club to stuff them and stop going. Its a free market.

Surely if you trade players for a profit, it enhances your transfer kitty, subsequently enabling you to buy better players which give you a better chance of winning football matches.
Football is a business, I am sure that the Evans incoming deal deal was brokered with profit and a known admirer ( Wigan ) in mind.
You only have to look at the amount of players that Chelsea have out on loan to realise that football has moved on enormously into a very very big business which has to be run to do so much more than put eleven players onto the pitch on match days

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Mitrovic cost Fulham about £1m for the loan. Not much more than we paid for Wilson.

Where was that price confirmed and does the full cost ie wages etc? Sounds incredibly cheap if so.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Surely if you trade players for a profit, it enhances your transfer kitty, subsequently enabling you to buy better players which give you a better chance of winning football matches.
Football is a business, I am sure that the Evans incoming deal deal was brokered with profit and a known admirer ( Wigan ) in mind.
You only have to look at the amount of players that Chelsea have out on loan to realise that football has moved on enormously into a very very big business which has to be run to do so much more than put eleven players onto the pitch on match days

Trading players as far as United are concerned usually involves selling their best players. This doesn't give you a better chance of winning football matches.

The Evans and Leonard deals were flukes but I'm sure they will be cited as the masterpiece of United's transfer policy for years to come.