£7.5m bank loan

[Bert]

Sorry, but unlike you two, I'm unable to take a business negotiation between McCabe and Darius Henderson seriously. It would be like two of the Teletubbies poncing around.

You're right he's a proper dope that self made multi-millionaire McCabe.
He needs somebody like you advising him in his business deals.

 

[snootyfenooty]

You're right he's a proper dope that self made multi-millionaire McCabe.
He needs somebody like you advising him in his business deals.

No, I'd certainly like him to advise me on business deals. It's the football deals where he needs a bit of help.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You've just about proved my point there. As another poster has pointed out above and Adams, as you have admitted, has not pulled any trees up, is now worth not much less than what we sold Brooks for and 10x what we received for him. That tells you all you need to know about our boards ability to conduct a transfer negotiation to our advantage. Dunces.

Adams is worth £10m or so then? Would you want Wilder to pay that for him?

 

[snootyfenooty]

Adams is worth £10m or so then? Would you want Wilder to pay that for him?

Where did you get that notion from? I was using the illustration to prove my point that Brooks was undersold. Nicely dodged but you haven't challenged this I note.

 

[Bert]

Where did you get that notion from? I was using the illustration to prove my point that Brooks was undersold. Nicely dodged but you haven't challenged this I note.

Who bid higher and why did McCabe turn it down?

 

[Sean Thornton]

So, to sum up

Brooks would have gone for more if anyone else had bid for him.

Adams would be worth £10m if only anyone had paid that for him.

Harry Redknapp is to be believed only when his word appears to back up an argument.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Who bid higher and why did McCabe turn it down?

Another one dodging. You skipped post #152. One at a time please!

 

[Bert]

Another one dodging. You skipped post #152. One at a time please!

Skipped? More like laughed at it.

So who bid higher and why did McCabe turn it down?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Where did you get that notion from? I was using the illustration to prove my point that Brooks was undersold. Nicely dodged but you haven't challenged this I note.

I've repeatedly asked why no one else bid for him. You keep stating the fiction that McCabe took the first offer - which wasn't the case as others have said - which doesn't explain why no other club was linked with him at the time.

As "proof" you claim McCabe and the agent are dumb.

Using Adams as the illustration meant what then? What do you think he's worth, remember you've already suggested he's worth just a bit less than DB was sold for?

 

[Tom Bott]

That's why Waghorn's value went up from the £4m United were willing to pay at the time of the Brooks sale to £7m+ at the close of the window. This is just one example. Ipswich simply held their nerve, something we were unable to do.

Though I could interpret your post as.

The BDTBL board and Chris Wilder valued Martyn Waghorn at £ 4M and were happy to leave the over inflated figure of £ 7million that Derby County paid.

Since his move to Derby he has scored 1 goal in the championship and collected 3 yellow cards.
Though this may make him better value for money than Gary Madine who cost Cardiff City £ 6 M and scored no goals in the championship and no goals so far in the PL.
Or Jordan Rhodes.....

David McGoldrick on the other hand has scored 5 goals and cost little.

I would trust the judgement of CW and AK to decide which players to buy and at what cost more than those on this forum.

Is spending 'big money' a sign of intent or stupidity.

I believe in spending money wisely = Norwood and McGoldrick.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Skipped? More like laughed at it.

So who bid higher and why did McCabe turn it down?

Because despite being a very good property developer, when it comes to football McCabe always, always takes the first offer - in this case actually the second , now there's a point that's been dodged - rather than wait a few days for another £8m or so.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Skipped? More like laughed at it.

Since you're in a humorous mood today I hear the Chuckle Brothers have a vacancy. Good luck!

 

[snootyfenooty]

Because despite being a very good property developer, when it comes to football McCabe always, always takes the first offer - in this case actually the second , now there's a point that's been dodged - rather than wait a few days for another £8m or so.

Sean, you (and others) keep evading my key point: He was sold with a month to go in the window and this pre-empted any other offers coming in. The big bucks are flying around at the end of the window, not in the beginning or the middle of it.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Another one dodging. You skipped post #152. One at a time please!

Dodging?

Are you going to answer the point made by more than one poster that AFCB's first offer was turned down, making your claim somewhat redundant. Then maybe explain how all these clubs that never had the chance to bid, never picked up on that and were on the phone to Dopey Darius, cheque book at the ready?

 

[snootyfenooty]

Dodging?

Are you going to answer the point made by more than one poster that AFCB's first offer was turned down, making your claim somewhat redundant. Then maybe explain how all these clubs that never had the chance to bid, never picked up on that and were on the phone to Dopey Darius, cheque book at the ready?

Bloody hell, you're speaking for Bert, Bert's speaking for you, it's difficult enough trying to deal with you individually without you both going bi-polar on me!

 

[snootyfenooty]

Dodging?

Are you going to answer the point made by more than one poster that AFCB's first offer was turned down, making your claim somewhat redundant. Then maybe explain how all these clubs that never had the chance to bid, never picked up on that and were on the phone to Dopey Darius, cheque book at the ready?

See post #163. The main activity is at the end of the window. As Wilder said himself, it's not just about one transaction, there's a chain in place and the pieces don't link up until the deadline approaches. He could have been on half a dozen other clubs radar but we never got to the stage of finding out. As I said before, the early transaction was an opportunistic "cash and grab".

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sean, you (and others) keep evading my key point: He was sold with a month to go in the window and this pre-empted any other offers coming in. The big bucks are flying around at the end of the window, not in the beginning or the middle of it.

I'm not evading anything. If clubs really wanted him are you saying they ignored the fact that he was available? One offer had been turned down. Clubs knew that they would have to bid higher. Only one did.

Fred moved to Man. United in June.
Mahrez, Alisson and Jorghinio all moved ibefore the last two weeks of the window. They were all "big bucks".

 

[Sean Thornton]

Bloody hell, you're speaking for Bert, Bert's speaking for you, it's difficult enough trying to deal with you individually without you both going bi-polar on me!

It's actually the same point were making. The horse your trying to beat to death is running around the pasture, frolicking.

 

[I should coco]

The main activity is at the end of the window.

Let's say you were right and we'd hung on until 3/8 and got £16m.

We'd then be looking at Hull's new signing Norwood and Egan may well have been elsewhere. With rowing owners not prepared to put any more money into the club, this cash was vital and we may not even have had the finance to cover the Henderson / Woodman loans or sign McGoldrick.

I understand the point you are making, but there was no guarantee of a higher bidder and we'd have potentially shot ourselves in the foot for any incoming players.

Looks to me like you're just trying to find another stick to beat SUFC/McCabe with.

 

[itsinyerblood]

It's actually the same point were making. The horse your trying to beat to death is running around the pasture, frolicking.

Horses for course's, as my old nan used to say regularly

 

[I should coco]

Horses for course's, as my old nan used to say regularly

No she actually use to say:

You can take a horse to water but you can't make other clubs put a bid in for him.

 

[Sean Thornton]

See post #163. The main activity is at the end of the window. As Wilder said himself, it's not just about one transaction, there's a chain in place and the pieces don't link up until the deadline approaches. He could have been on half a dozen other clubs radar but we never got to the stage of finding out. As I said before, the early transaction was an opportunistic "cash and grab".

See post 167. They're the obvious ones. Generalising hasn't worked for you on this thread.

McCabe took the first offer - he didn't
The big deals are done at the end of the window - err, no.
Other clubs would have bid - who?
His agent is thick - he's a representative of Unique Sports Management (see the client list).
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/unique-sports-management/beraterfirma/berater/4142

 

[Sean Thornton]

Horses for course's, as my old nan used to say regularly

It was for the main course when I was a kid.

 

[itsinyerblood]

No she actually use to say:

You can take a horse to water but you can't make other clubs put a bid in for him.

It was for the main course when I was a kid.

Thought you looked a bit ragged around the edges if you knew my nan.

She was a game old girl, so it explains why she looked favourably upon you young Thornton.

 

[Sean Thornton]

No she actually use to say:

You can take a horse to water but you can't make other clubs put a bid in for him.

"The devil can cite scripture for his purpose"

 

[snootyfenooty]

I'll leave it at that. There's one or two of you willing to engage in a discussion but the rest just having a collective snipe, that being the limit of their debating skills. Couldn't be arsed with that.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I'll leave it at that. There's one or two of you willing to engage in a discussion but the rest just having a collective snipe, that being the limit of their debating skills. Couldn't be arsed with that.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I do not have an agenda against McCawber. I just happen to think we will never progress whilst he is at the helm and we will be better off when he fucks off. That's my opinion if it's allowed.

It’s a fully allowed opinion, however in this debate you are making yourself look a bit silly because you are using the Brooks deal as a stick to beat McCabe with and not really giving a convincing argument as to why £12m was a bad price apart from “I don’t think it was enough” and/or “someone else would have bid more”. Both arguments backed by nothing other you now being unwilling to get off your high horse and back down.

McCabe has done plenty of worse business deals during his tenure with the Blades than the Brooks deal so maybe use one of those examples instead.

 

[Bert]

Who bid higher and why did McCabe turn it down?

No point in asking him a third time Bert. He won't answer even though we all know the answer to your question.

 

[Sheff de party]

Let's say you were right and we'd hung on until 3/8 and got £16m.

We'd then be looking at Hull's new signing Norwood and Egan may well have been elsewhere. With rowing owners not prepared to put any more money into the club, this cash was vital and we may not even have had the finance to cover the Henderson / Woodman loans or sign McGoldrick.

I understand the point you are making, but there was no guarantee of a higher bidder and we'd have potentially shot ourselves in the foot for any incoming players.

Looks to me like you're just trying to find another stick to beat SUFC/McCabe with.

I agree with you.

If we were bottom with a shite team, Brooks looks like a bad decision. But we’re too with a really good team and signings like Egan and Norwood are central to how we play. And we have money left over.