Lundstram win ratio.

[Ricky]

Lundstram ticked a lot of boxes when he signed - age, appearances, fitness record, captain, 6 foot, two good feet, etc. Undoubtedly impressive on paper. That number of ticked boxes could possibly seduce managers into making a 'hopeful' signing and overlooking the most important thing - footballing ability. Since he's signed he's not shown signs of being anywhere near Coutts/Norwood standard in that rather large department.

 

[nopigfansintown]

We lost the midfield when Lundstram went off, after controlling it for the majority of the game.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Who would people rather have had replacing Fleck though? We don't have a replacement for Fleck and it's unlikely that we'll ever get one as why would a player good enough to replace Fleck want to come in and sit on the bench?

Lundstram will never be as good as Coutts/Norwood, Fleck or Duffy and we pretty much only seem to do well with that trio on the pitch. We played well enough to get at least a point yesterday and but for a bit of a crap goal to give away we would have got one.

We have a good first 11 and some good backup in some positions, we will never have great backup in some positions as it's too expensive to have 22 players with the same ability as well as keeping them all happy. It remains to be seen whether the strike force will give us enough goals this season but we've done what we can on that front in terms of who has been brought in, the rest were out of our league either in wages, transfer price or both.

Scapegoating the same 2 players constantly will get a bit tiresome and those that do need a bit of a reality check as to what our capabilities actually are.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Lundstram ticked a lot of boxes when he signed - age, appearances, fitness record, captain, 6 foot, two good feet, etc. Undoubtedly on paper. That number of ticked boxes could possibly seduce managers into making a 'hopeful' signing and overlooking the most important thing - footballing ability. Since he's signed he's not shown signs of being anywhere near Coutts/Norwood standard in that rather large department.

.......and four shit ones.

 

[Gimli]

That's the problem I have with the "Lunny Lovers". Decent isn't good enough. Can you imagine saying, Fleck was decent or Billy was decent? Decent is being used to say, "he was ok he didn't let us down". I don't want a player in the side who is an obvious reserve who will be doing his best but is decent. I want "fucking good". or at worst "didn't quite reach his usual standard". Apart from Stevens, who has really raised his game since Nosher put in that cross, there's nobody who we would refer to us "decent". I shall now retire to the ifollow replay and judge accordingly.

But he is a reserve for Fleck or Norwood or Coutts - yes he isn’t as good as those three but that’s why he isn’t first choice. In my opinion (and didn’t go to Bristol yesterday) Lundstram is a good back up and largely people have said it wasn’t his fault we lost.

If lundstram is starting, dare I question the logic in selling both Leonard and the perennially under-rated Evans?

Runs for cover...

I was at Griffin Park today and had the pleasure of watching the ‘perennially under-rated Evans’ - I can safely conclude that we are missing nothing. Lundstram would have had to have been absolutely awful today for him to have played worse than Evans did for Wigan. The sale of Evans, for a profit, was a great decision.

 

[Roygbiv]

4 wins in 23 with him in the side is a staggering stat really. Last season you could say it simply coincided with the fall off after November but he also played in 2 of the 4 games we lost prior to the Coutts injury and now this season every loss has come with him in the side.

There might be nothing in it and he might just be an unlucky son of a gun but I think it's natural people will question him given our record with him in the team

 

[RossingtonBlade]

Amazing how everyone is slating Stevens and Lunny for yesterday but everyone’s favourite Freeman was just as bad. All down to them not letting Stevens and freeman have time on the ball. Lunny saved us a goal yesterday but he just isn’t good enough to be an SUFC player. We have outgrown him and many other recent acquisitions.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

A couple of seasons back, everyone was happy to see Jake Wright in the team whether they thought he was good/average/steady/league 2 because we never lost with him in the starting line up. It's the same thing.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Amazing how everyone is slating Stevens and Lunny for yesterday but everyone’s favourite Freeman was just as bad. All down to them not letting Stevens and freeman have time on the ball. Lunny saved us a goal yesterday but he just isn’t good enough to be an SUFC player. We have outgrown him and many other recent acquisitions.

Always said that about Freeman, his defensive duties as a WB are suspect but he's OK up front. Baldock is the opposite. We could be missing a trick here, bring Baldock back as WB and stick Freeman into Lundstram's shoes if Fleck is still out.

 

[Snowman]

But he is a reserve for Fleck or Norwood or Coutts - yes he isn’t as good as those three but that’s why he isn’t first choice. In my opinion (and didn’t go to Bristol yesterday) Lundstram is a good back up and largely people have said it wasn’t his fault we lost.


You may be correct. It is after all a team game.

 

[bromtom]

With minimal time invested, and post midnight mathematics, based on these stats

Starts
P 22
W 4
D 6
L 12

Win percentage of 18%

Doesn't start
P 24
W 16
D 3
L 5

Win percentage 67%

22 starts - 4 wins - 1 game at Forest where Fleck kicked the ball straight to a striker in our box and we lost (surely that's not Lunny's fault too) that's 17 games where he's supposedly had a negative influence, so if he wasn't there we'd be around the 67% figure, which would mean an extra 34ish points last season.

Which would mean we'd have won the league by 4 points.

Somehow I don't think Lundstram is to blame. I think we just lose about the amount of games you'd expect us to lose playing the way we do, with the players we have on the books and he's unlucky enough to be on the teamsheet at the time.

 

[bromtom]

Just to add, he's not entirely blameless. He cocks up like everyone else, and he might have cost us points, but Bash cost us a fair few points last season, Fleck cost us at least 2 etc, and they don't get shat on constantly.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

With minimal time invested, and post midnight mathematics, based on these stats

Starts
P 22
W 4
D 6
L 12

Win percentage of 18%

Doesn't start
P 24
W 16
D 3
L 5

Win percentage 67%

22 starts - 4 wins - 1 game at Forest where Fleck kicked the ball straight to a striker in our box and we lost (surely that's not Lunny's fault too) that's 17 games where he's supposedly had a negative influence, so if he wasn't there we'd be around the 67% figure, which would mean an extra 34ish points last season.

Which would mean we'd have won the league by 4 points.

Somehow I don't think Lundstram is to blame. I think we just lose about the amount of games you'd expect us to lose playing the way we do, with the players we have on the books and he's unlucky enough to be on the teamsheet at the time.

Those stats are from August 14th 2018 as posted by blader
https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/lundstram-win-ratio.65711/page-3#post-1773136

 

[bromtom]

Those stats are from August 14th 2018 as posted by blader
https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/lundstram-win-ratio.65711/page-3#post-1773136

Fair enough, but even with this season removed that still leaves enough points for us to be well inside the playoffs if not in front of Cardiff.

 

[Champagneblade]

To me, Stearman is a safer pair of hands than Lundstram.

For whatever reason, the dynamic just doesn’t seem to work with him in the team.

In the absence of Coutts, I’d always be inclined to push Basham to midfield and Stearman into the back three.

It, in my view, just makes us harder to beat.

I admire Wilder for backing him, but he’s the last of the lower league punts that didn’t come of and won’t make the cut when the next squad reshape comes. In fact when Coutts is back he would be a good candidate for a January loan out.

 

[Bladethebrian]

To me, Stearman is a safer pair of hands than Lundstram.

For whatever reason, the dynamic just doesn’t seem to work with him in the team.

In the absence of Coutts, I’d always be inclined to push Basham to midfield and Stearman into the back three.

It, in my view, just makes us harder to beat.

I admire Wilder for backing him, but he’s the last of the lower league punts that didn’t come of and won’t make the cut when the next squad reshape comes. In fact when Coutts is back he would be a good candidate for a January loan out.

Totally agree with this. Bash in midfield makes us look a much stronger option than with Lunny in there, and Stearman at the back is a good swap.

 

[Worksop II]

Just think of Lundstram as Water, he dilutes the Midfield ....

 

[I should coco]

The honeymoon love in, following that tackle on Grealish didn't last very long.

We do have some short memoried impatient wanker fans.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Just think of Lundstram as Water, he dilutes the Midfield ....

Lundstram watered down

 

[Ginger Gnome]

The honeymoon love in, following that tackle on Grealish didn't last very long.

We do have some short memoried impatient wanker fans.

Maybe the overreaction to him doing one good tackle was a bit extreme and he actually falls somewhere in the middle of honeymoon love in and worst player ever.

Anyone who only rates him on that tackle rather than all his mediocrity before it must have a short memory.

Anyway, this is probably one of the least bashy threads there's ever been on Lundstram, most people acknowledge that he's an OK squad player, just that when he starts, we nearly always lose. That's probably something the manager should probably work on tactically, but we're not allowed to question his decisions either.

 

[I should coco]

Anyway, this is probably one of the least bashy threads there's ever been on Lundstram,

That's allright then.

Pol Pot didn't kill as many as Stalin, but I wouldn't ask him around ours for tea.

That's probably something the manager should probably work on tactically, but we're not allowed to question his decisions either.

Only if we can question decisions without the usually wanky scapegoating. I'm not particularly accusing you of that, but of course if the cap fits...
Many on here are incapable of doing that so Lunny, Clarke, Stevens etc have to get a kicking when we lose. It's the Bladesway.

 

[Ginger Gnome]

Frustration at certain players always getting hauled off (Sharp, Duffy) while others seem unsubbable (Stevens, Clarke), leads to the players themselves getting criticism and some people just get into a habit of picking on the same people as they're looking for their mistakes. As soon as Stevens started mixing up his play instead of always waiting for someone to overlap, he's had little criticism, and as soon as Leon starts scoring again he'll be fine.

Lundstram is unfortunate as he gets both sides of it, he made a lot of mistakes when he got a run in the side last season and at the start of this one (he was far from alone in that), so whenever he plays people are looking for fault, and unlike some of Wilder's other favourites, he isn't unsubbable and often gets taken off, even if he's not doing anything wrong (although if doesn't help that he's often not been a scapegoat, just genuinely the worst player on the pitch). He'll never be as good as Coutts or Fleck, but a few wins with him in the team would at least ease the amount of stick he gets as currently people associate Lundstram with a loss, even if he's not directly the cause of it.

 

[Bill Johnson]

We have seen Lafferty put into midfield off the bench few times. Don't remember a lot ending well on those occasions either. It's been said over and over our first choice midfield is the dogs. Bash has done well when utilised there but frankly nowt else has. Its about what our aspirations and expectations are. Minimum top 6 or anywhere else outside getting relegated. Hopefully Coutts will provide the 4th quality middy from which Wilder can choose from. It alleviates issues with injuries and suspensions as well.

 

[I should coco]

Lunny's biggest problem is not being Fleck or Coutts.

 

[super_pig]

we lost .. some poor sod was going to get it

 

[Grappler]

Just for the Grealish tackle alone, we should get off the lad's back