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- or rather lack of it.

Although Monty played well on Saturday in a Montyesque way, his inability to shoot when in a good position does my head in. Twice in the game the ball broke to him on the edge of the area, sat up nicely and was screaming out for a shot. On both occasions Monty took the ball on his instep and played it out wide to the wing.

Is it too much to ask that he devotes some time to shooting practice? He's got the fitness, hustling and tackling side of the of game completely sorted, his passing is better than it used to be so why not have half an hour every day practicing shooting from the edge of the area??

Can Ben Watson shoot??

End of mini-rant!
 



No rant at all Plan B.

A perfectly valid opinion. It's beyond a joke and as you say, it's not beyond the realms of possibility for him to spend half an hour a day practicising - assuming he doesn't do it already.

Mind you if my boss asked me to stay behind for half an hour each day I'd be very reluctant to do so, to put it mildly, and all Monty is doing is his job, just like we do. If I could guarantee the extra effort would improve my chances of earning more money then I'd be tempted and I think this is a clear case of a player realising himself, or being told by management, that he is very poor at a fundamental skill for someone who does find himself in plenty of good positions
 
We've been through tis a few times in the past

He's a defensive midfielder, he does his job excellently.
His lack of shooting ability doesn't affect his tackling and breaking up of play.

Why pick fault in something that doesn't need to be picked at.

Morgan can't shoot very well either, i don't see you slagging him off
 
Monty can barely pass I think it is far too much to ask for him to start shooting aswell.
 
An individual should be motivated to improve him or herself, for the benefit of their earning power. Maybe Monty is perfectly happy - and if so no problem as I tried to say above - it is up to him if he puts over-time in. He may do so already.

I obviously have no idea what Monty does in training but his shooting is so poor compared with his general excellence in most other areas of play, I think it would be worth his while to try and improve it. He earns a very decent living now, what a great way of trying to improve and prolong that - spending 30 minutes a day volleying and shooting. If Bennett is in net a few may go in as well to boost confidence.

I find it hard to believe that a Sensible Blade can find nothing to be concerned about in Monty's shooting.
 
We've been through tis a few times in the past

He's a defensive midfielder, he does his job excellently.
His lack of shooting ability doesn't affect his tackling and breaking up of play.

Why pick fault in something that doesn't need to be picked at.

Morgan can't shoot very well either, i don't see you slagging him off

I wasn't 'slagging him off '. I just think it's a pity that he can get himself into great positions to have a shot and then is so reluctant to have a go.
 
He will send it into row Z.

He has had a go before and 9 times out of 10 it knocks a Peters Pie out of someones hand.
 
We've been through tis a few times in the past

He's a defensive midfielder, he does his job excellently.
His lack of shooting ability doesn't affect his tackling and breaking up of play.

Why pick fault in something that doesn't need to be picked at.

Morgan can't shoot very well either, i don't see you slagging him off

To be fair, I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest a central midfield player should be able to have a decent shot once every while.
 
He's a defensive midfielder, he does his job excellently.

When Monty first burst onto the scene it was on the back of several goal scoring performances in the reserves. I think it was our Neil that probably turned him into the defensive player he is now.

I can remember him scroing a late winner away at a freezing Crewe about 5 years ago and in that 4-0 away at Leeds, has he scored since ?
 
Monty hit the crossbar against Leicester...

Do you mean in the first half? That was Henderson (Although the BBC Reporter on the highlights said it was Monty!)

I'm not saying Monty's shots are always poor. Just as a general rule I don't think it's unreasonable for a central midfielder to be able to have a shot from 25 yards.
 
When Monty first burst onto the scene it was on the back of several goal scoring performances in the reserves. I think it was our Neil that probably turned him into the defensive player he is now.

I can remember him scroing a late winner away at a freezing Crewe about 5 years ago and in that 4-0 away at Leeds, has he scored since ?


Great game that one at Crewe, battered them all game with 10 men, the 'Sheff United' chant went all game.

Think he bobbled one in against Stoke in the promotion season and he scored against Birmingham in the Cup, other than that I think that's it.
 
Also scored against Walsall and Burnley in 03/04. Wycome in the cup the year before, and Portsmouth at home around that time.
 
Didn't he score again Birmingham in cup a few seasons ago and he was captain that night too if i remember!
 



We've been through tis a few times in the past

He's a defensive midfielder, he does his job excellently.
His lack of shooting ability doesn't affect his tackling and breaking up of play.

Why pick fault in something that doesn't need to be picked at.

Morgan can't shoot very well either, i don't see you slagging him off

I think you are SOOOOOOOO wrong with this one - of course it matters.

Despite the solid chacteristics Monty has, his workrate, his loyalty(?), his tackling etc. he is a highly one-dimensional player and this is at the heart of why we haven't progressed in recent seasons. Playing in central midfield demands more from a player than any other position; they have to be athletes, they typically cover more distance during a match than any other position, they have to be able to tackle, they need to be mobile and they need to win the ball, they need to read the game quickly and have a great positional sense in terms of their own game but especially in relation to their central midfielder partner. They need a great first touch, the ability to pass, short and long and the ability to shoot.

All good teams have good central midfielders.

At the moment (and for as long back as I care to remember, certainly since Brown and McCall) we have had a severely handicapped central midfield.

Essentially at the moment Monty does the graft and either Quinn or Howard is expected to provide the creativity because as we all know neither of them is much kop at doing the spoiling work - But this is so weak and limiting - it doesn't work. Good midfield players are versatile, they can do it all and when you have this the whole team looks better balanced. They create space for each other, they can pick teams open, creating chances for themselves and others, they cover for each other. None of this happens very often for us at the moment, in reality we have 2 half players in central midfield and until we replace both of them we ain't going anywhere.

The best defensive midfielder playing in England at the moment is Essien, he's got it all and it's laughable to suggest that it would not be important to Chelsea if he couldn't pass, had a crap first touch and couldn't shoot. If he sees an opportunity to attack he will take it, forcing the opposition to close him down thus creating space for Lampard, Ballack etc. safe in the knowledge that they can also cover him if things break down.

When Monty gets the ball, far to often he will either play a poor ball and lose possession or he passes about 5 yards to (usually) Quinn or Howard, they are closed down at once and the quality of ball that is delived is often poor and our play breaks down. This basic pattern happens so often it is utterly unbelievable that it hasn't been the number 1 priority for the manager to correct. The fact that he has not successfully done this makes me and plenty of others think that, despite results, he isn't up to the job. If we were to get promoted without solving this we would come straight back down again as we did under Warnock, who also failed to replace McCall and Brown. Ironically Robson saw this and in Hendrie and Speed he bought 2 all round central midfielders who could have bossed our play but circumstances contrived against us and it was never allowed to develop.
 
Great game that one at Crewe, battered them all game with 10 men, the 'Sheff United' chant went all game.

Another thing I remember about that night was at half-time. Pesch and a couple of others we're knocking the ball around in a small triangle and obviously didn't want to be out there as it was freezing. Our fans started a chorus of 'just like watching Brazil' and Pesch was p1ssing himself.

Wasn't that the night Forte looked world class until he went off with an ankle injury ?
 
Also scored against Walsall and Burnley in 03/04. Wycome in the cup the year before, and Portsmouth at home around that time.

I remember winning a bet on the Walsall home game, it was a Tuesday night and we won 2-0, Peschi scored the other (I know this for sure as he was part of my scorecast), was Monty's a scrambleish at the Kop?

I remember the Burnley one, think it was quite good actually.

Can't recall his Wycombe goal, and yes he did score against Portsmouth but it was 2001/2002 (think we won 4-3, Furlong penalty last minute, Keith Curle was bullying Peter Crouch all game!)
 
Paulus - totally outstanding post and a great summary of why watching us is very, very hard work at the moment in the sense of believing football to be entertainment.
 
Right with the Crewe game Fleety. Mike Whitlow was sent off for us and Dean Ashton blazed the ball over the bar from the spot in the second half (unreleated incidents). I bet Hulse played too.

Monty's goal was a strange one as I remember it think it took a few deflections, Forte was amazing and Warnock said words to the effect of "After the game I made Jonno sign his shirt and give it to me as it'll be worth a lot of money in years to come"
 
Right with the Crewe game Fleety. Mike Whitlow was sent off for us and Dean Ashton blazed the ball over the bar from the spot in the second half (unreleated incidents). I bet Hulse played too.

Monty's goal was a strange one as I remember it think it took a few deflections

Forgotten about the penalty miss ! Monty's goal was a header wasn't it ?
 
You may be right Fleety, can kind of picture it and there was something a bit strange about it, I think it was crossed in, a Crewe player headed it away and without knowing too much about it, it struck Monty's head and bobbled in!

I also remember a Beckhamesque cross field pass by Monty to a Blades player (Jags?) in our promotion season to set up a goal for Kabba - At Gresty Road obviously.
 
Boring Boring and more boring

This thread has been running forever and makes no more sense now than it it did in 1962 or whenever if first started

Monty breaks play up better than any other midfielder in this league and has done season after season. He gets constant grief for not being Frank Lampard. Of course if he was to leave in the window on tuesday everyone would be up in arms.

Give it a rest and find a new subject..............please

Monty's a blade and will run through walls for this club. Try watching him for an entire game rather than just noticing his mistakes.......you'd be amazed at how much he adds to our side
 
Boring Boring and more boring

This thread has been running forever and makes no more sense now than it it did in 1962 or whenever if first started

Monty breaks play up better than any other midfielder in this league and has done season after season. He gets constant grief for not being Frank Lampard. Of course if he was to leave in the window on tuesday everyone would be up in arms.

Give it a rest and find a new subject..............please

Monty's a blade and will run through walls for this club. Try watching him for an entire game rather than just noticing his mistakes.......you'd be amazed at how much he adds to our side

Most are saying it would be nice if he could add more to his game.

Mind you that wont happen as it would of happened already.
 
I think you are SOOOOOOOO wrong with this one - of course it matters.

Despite the solid chacteristics Monty has, his workrate, his loyalty(?), his tackling etc. he is a highly one-dimensional player and this is at the heart of why we haven't progressed in recent seasons. Playing in central midfield demands more from a player than any other position; they have to be athletes, they typically cover more distance during a match than any other position, they have to be able to tackle, they need to be mobile and they need to win the ball, they need to read the game quickly and have a great positional sense in terms of their own game but especially in relation to their central midfielder partner. They need a great first touch, the ability to pass, short and long and the ability to shoot.

All good teams have good central midfielders.

Ironically Robson saw this and in Hendrie and Speed he bought 2 all round central midfielders who could have bossed our play but circumstances contrived against us and it was never allowed to develop.

Paulus, you seem to be suggesting that it is impossible to be a good central midfielder without being good at all aspects of the game. I completely disagree with this.

Would you consider the likes of Darren Fletcher, Paul Scholes, Claude Makalele, Deco etc able to do all the things you talk about?

Essien is one of those rare players who is good at everything but for every Essien there are plenty more players who have weaknesses in their game. The key is that the manager picks sides with balance so that all attributes are covered.

I'm not putting them forward as a perfect example but do you think Robert Koren is an athlete who can tackle and win the ball? Of course he isn't and that's why WBA play Mulumbu (sp?) alongside him.

I also think your Hendrie and Speed example is badly flawed. Which one would win the ball from the opposition? Which one of those could be described as an athlete at any time in the last few years?

There's plenty of room for improvement in our central midfield but I'd suggest that finding 2 players who can do everything will prove beyond us as it does to most clubs.
 
You may be right Fleety, can kind of picture it and there was something a bit strange about it, I think it was crossed in, a Crewe player headed it away and without knowing too much about it, it struck Monty's head and bobbled in!

I also remember a Beckhamesque cross field pass by Monty to a Blades player (Jags?) in our promotion season to set up a goal for Kabba - At Gresty Road obviously.

I think the ball was cleared from a corner or a free-kick and Monty headed it in from outside the area.
 
An individual should be motivated to improve him or herself, for the benefit of their earning power. Maybe Monty is perfectly happy - and if so no problem as I tried to say above - it is up to him if he puts over-time in. He may do so already.

I obviously have no idea what Monty does in training but his shooting is so poor compared with his general excellence in most other areas of play, I think it would be worth his while to try and improve it. He earns a very decent living now, what a great way of trying to improve and prolong that - spending 30 minutes a day volleying and shooting. If Bennett is in net a few may go in as well to boost confidence.

I find it hard to believe that a Sensible Blade can find nothing to be concerned about in Monty's shooting.

I didn't say I can find nothing to be concerned about, but he isn't payed as a striker or attacking midfielder. He's paid as a defensive midfielder.
You get players who an do most things but fall down with one part of their game all the time.
Take Paul Scholes, fantastic footballer, passes, shoots, makes goals but can't tackle for shit.
Thats life, not everyone can be good at everything.

I admit he can't shoot very well, but I don't feel the need to make a big fuss of it because thats not what he is in the team for.
I wouldn't want Bunn or Kenny to spend half an hour each day practicing throw in's, because thats not what they are asked to do during the game.

(an it's Sensiblade I thank you very much :D )
 



Paulus, you seem to be suggesting that it is impossible to be a good central midfielder without being good at all aspects of the game. I completely disagree with this.

Would you consider the likes of Darren Fletcher, Paul Scholes, Claude Makalele, Deco etc able to do all the things you talk about?

Essien is one of those rare players who is good at everything but for every Essien there are plenty more players who have weaknesses in their game. The key is that the manager picks sides with balance so that all attributes are covered.

I'm not putting them forward as a perfect example but do you think Robert Koren is an athlete who can tackle and win the ball? Of course he isn't and that's why WBA play Mulumbu (sp?) alongside him.

I also think your Hendrie and Speed example is badly flawed. Which one would win the ball from the opposition? Which one of those could be described as an athlete at any time in the last few years?

There's plenty of room for improvement in our central midfield but I'd suggest that finding 2 players who can do everything will prove beyond us as it does to most clubs.


You are right to pull me up on the Hendrie/Speed example Coops, the energy side of it was always going to be weak with those two but in terms of their understanding of the role of the midfielder they were probably the best we've had recently.

Mulumbo (whatever) from the brief bits I've seen is a seriously better player than Montgomery and Koren is better than Quinn, yes there is an imbalance between them but overall I think that pair are stronger together than our pair.

Of course there aren't many Essiens about but good teams get a far better balance to the midfield than we have had recently. Out of the midfielders you list they might have one noticable weakness out of the skill sets I originally listed but they are overall still excellent midfielders - Scholes might not be able to tackle very well but just about everything else you want from a midfielder he had and he was always willing to break up play and take one for the team if needs must! Deco is the interesting one and maybe he is too one dimensional for the Premiership which is why Chelsea have used him as a bit part player despite his brilliant creative skills. If Deco played with Essien in central mid would Deco's lack of defensive qualities limit Essien? - I think they probably would.

I don't think it's just the case that there is a limited number of these multi-talented players about and therefore only the top teams can get hold of them and the rest of us have to play variations of hoofball or just get blown away because there is no bite in the spine of the team - there are plenty of examples of teams who want to play through the middle at lower levels and recruit the players to do so.

Why did we fail to beat Burnley in 3 attempts last season? You could possibly argue that Jensen is a better keeper than Kenny but most people would say our defence overall was better than theirs, up front they had one small hardworking ex Scunthorpe striker and we had one of them as well! we had more options generally in attack than they did but in Midfield they wiped the floor with us. The wide players Eagles and Blake were constant threats but they couldn't have operated in the way they did if whatever combination out of Gudjohnson, Elliott, McCann and McDonald they were playing didn't win the central midfield battles. Individually any of them are better than anyone we had/have, all bought for peanuts in today's market. You'd be hard pressed to say which was the spoiler and who was the attacking midfielder because by and large they could all do all of it and thats what gave them the movement, pace and creativity that we couldn't handle. That midfield gave them the game to beat Premiership teams in the cups last year and I fully expect it to be good enough for them to survive this year.
 

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