Jade Sharp Kilimanjaro charity climb.

[Cerberus Blade]

Tax the multi million bastards for corporation tax.. google, Starbucks, amazon etc and give that money to charity, absolutely

And give the money to other multi-million bastards who run huge national/international charities?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

This. There is currently no cure for all cancer but many forms are now treatable and preventable by early diagnosis. The progress there saves so many lives.

That’s actually not entirely true. Some cancers are treatable, if caught early enough. But we have made very little progress in this field overall in the past 50 years.

The majority of cancer treatments do not save lives. At best they may extend lives by a few months or alleviate symptoms. There are medicines in other areas which do save lives and receive nowhere near the amount of investment afforded to cancer research.

The U.K. is one of the worst countries in the developed world to be treated for some forms of cancer in terms of cure rates.

This is not to suggest for one moment that cancer research isn’t valuable, or necessary, it is. But it’s not the only health priority or even the most urgent one affecting the majority of the worlds population.

Difficult choices.

 

[Sabella's Socks]

How the fuck have we got to the position where something as important as Cancer Research relies on tins being rattled?

Exactly.

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

And give the money to other multi-million bastards who run huge national/international charities?

Well if the money that multi million bastards that run NHS charities get is going to save lives...then I’d rather the multi million bastards get it over Starbucks google etc keep it

 

[Basing Blade]

She tweeted that she had landed in Kilimanjaro. Its in Tanzania love. Obviously has no idea where she is.

 

[Hague Blade]

In fairness, the airport is called Kilimanjaro International.

When I did the 'climb' I got my flight from NL to Tanzania on Air miles, and so I gave the amount it would have cost to charity.

I also gave away all my gear when I got back down at the end, which included a United shirt - it was a few years ago now, but it is just possible that Jade's porter could be wearing the red & white stripes.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

That’s actually not entirely true. Some cancers are treatable, if caught early enough. But we have made very little progress in this field overall in the past 50 years.

The majority of cancer treatments do not save lives. At best they may extend lives by a few months or alleviate symptoms. There are medicines in other areas which do save lives and receive nowhere near the amount of investment afforded to cancer research.

The U.K. is one of the worst countries in the developed world to be treated for some forms of cancer in terms of cure rates.

This is not to suggest for one moment that cancer research isn’t valuable, or necessary, it is. But it’s not the only health priority or even the most urgent one affecting the majority of the worlds population.

Difficult choices.

And the fact that circa half of cancers are due to lifestyle choices. Smoking, drinking, high fat/sugar low fibre diet and being overweight. Possibly prevention through relatively low cost education needs to go hand in hand with the expensive and time consuming work of finding a cure.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Well if the money that multi million bastards that run NHS charities get is going to save lives...then I’d rather the multi million bastards get it over Starbucks google etc keep it

Yes fair point. I’m not suggesting that these big charities aren’t more worthy of our money than lots of other enterprises. But make no mistake, your money is going to fund huge commercial enterprises and the worst excesses of capitalism are there too. I’m not anti capitalism btw, I’m quite the opposite, but I’ve said before that what I’d like to see is these “charities” being forced to tell us how much of every pound goes to research or activities that genuinely benefit those we think we are paying to help.

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

Yes fair point. I’m not suggesting that these big charities aren’t more worthy of our money than lots of other enterprises. But make no mistake, your money is going to fund huge commercial enterprises and the worst excesses of capitalism are there too. I’m not anti capitalism btw, I’m quite the opposite, but I’ve said before that what I’d like to see is these “charities” being forced to tell us how much of every pound goes to research or activities that genuinely benefit those we think we are paying to help.

I’ve raised money for the MS society and orchid.

Both these charities have done great things over the years with research and raising awareness of multiple sclerosis and male cancer respectively.

If that’s funding huge commercial enterprises and the worst excesses of capitalism I’m all for it.

 

[10p]

Looks like she made it to the top.

Well done Jade.

Here's the link for anyone (everyone) donating to the causes she's done it for:

https://www.gofundme.com/team-250-k...board_a&rcid=bfcd84b9e14b4f379371fe9cea5dc4b6

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Well if the money that multi million bastards that run NHS charities get is going to save lives...then I’d rather the multi million bastards get it over Starbucks google etc keep it

I guess I must just be in a different loop. The NHS is not a Charity, in the loop I'm in.

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

I guess I must just be in a different loop. The NHS is not a Charity, in the loop I'm in.

I never said the NHS was a charity,.

There are charities though that receive some nhs funding, Macmillan being one of them.

A quick internet search gives a list of over 250 nhs charities

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I never said the NHS was a charity,.

There are charities though that receive some nhs funding, Macmillan being one of them.

A quick internet search gives a list of over 250 nhs charities

As must be plain by now, I am fascinated by this debate. I can understand Charities giving money to the NHS to supplement Tax Revenue. Although, that is not my own preference as I prefer Taxation over Charity. But, my Tax money, being given to Charities by the NHS - it just seems a long chain. As, I said, not my loop, but interesting to hear about it.
I'm a child of the 50s.
Worked all my life in Public Service.
Charity was for Donkeys in Portugal.
Taxation was for Nurses in Portsmouth.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

As must be plain by now, I am fascinated by this debate. I can understand Charities giving money to the NHS to supplement Tax Revenue. Although, that is not my own preference as I prefer Taxation over Charity. But, my Tax money, being given to Charities by the NHS - it just seems a long chain. As, I said, not my loop, but interesting to hear about it.
I'm a child of the 50s.
Worked all my life in Public Service.
Charity was for Donkeys in Portugal.
Taxation was for Nurses in Portsmouth.

And the socio-political climate has shifted massively in the UK since the 1950’s. We’re regressed morally & ethically as a body of people, since the early 80’s. The idea of individual payment for collective benefit has had its day. The NHS is being destroyed from within and without and it’s mostly by greed. Doctors needed their mouths stuffing with gold at the creation of the NHS, and the same is true today. Private sector pay with public sector conditions of service, and don’t get me started on the BMA.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

And the socio-political climate has shifted massively in the UK since the 1950’s. We’re regressed morally & ethically as a body of people, since the early 80’s. The idea of individual payment for collective benefit has had its day. The NHS is being destroyed from within and without and it’s mostly by greed. Doctors needed their mouths stuffing with gold at the creation of the NHS, and the same is true today. Private sector pay with public sector conditions of service, and don’t get me started on the BMA.

My head just goes...
1920s & 1930s - when my parents were born & finding their way - poor working class people had to rely on Charity for basics. Education, health, decent houses. Bad thing.
1950s & 1960s - when I was born & finding my way - the Welfare State was there, individual payment for collective benefit. Education, health, decent houses all available from the collective pot. Good thing - for me - everything that's happened to me in life is the result of these broadly Socialist policies.
Now - the increasing Charitisation of basic needs - poor working class people have to rely on Charity for basics. Education, health, decent houses - see 1920s - naturally I'm going to see that as a Bad thing. A regression, as you say.
I'll be told - that's just how it is.....
But, I do feel it's a big backward step....

 

[Sabella's Socks]

Charity was for Donkeys in Portugal.
Taxation was for Nurses in Portsmouth.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

My head just goes...
1920s & 1930s - when my parents were born & finding their way - poor working class people had to rely on Charity for basics. Education, health, decent houses. Bad thing.
1950s & 1960s - when I was born & finding my way - the Welfare State was there, individual payment for collective benefit. Education, health, decent houses all available from the collective pot. Good thing - for me - everything that's happened to me in life is the result of these broadly Socialist policies.
Now - the increasing Charitisation of basic needs - poor working class people have to rely on Charity for basics. Education, health, decent houses - see 1920s - naturally I'm going to see that as a Bad thing. A regression, as you say.
I'll be told - that's just how it is.....
But, I do feel it's a big backward step....

"And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour."

People who remember living in this country pre-NHS, etc are dying off and the people who are left are ignorant/naive to the realities of that time and to be be honest, they are ignorant /naive about the realities of the present time. Our standard of living is based on the ability to borrow money and meet the repayments that is all. We may have a higher standard of living now than at any other time, but where once it took one person working in a couple to fund it, it now takes a couple to have two full time jobs, extended credit and the help of grand parents to maintain it. People need to be very, very wary of what country/society they aspire to live in, because they might well get it. Just because you have the word 'Manager' as a job title, it doesn't mean that it's a job for life.