Booing Stephen Quinn

[shorehamview]

Booing Quinn, or indeed any player before he has kicked the ball in anger is, frankly ridiculous. What will it achieve?
As has been stated in previous posts, the only reason Quinn was brought on was to give the supporters the chance to give Ched Evans an ovation. He'll have been really impressed with all the booing.

Booing any of the players before they have even got on the pitch is, in my opinion, counter-productive. If one of your colleagues had been shit at work on Friday would you boo their appearance at work on Monday morning?

 

[Fiery Blade]

There was no need to bring on Quinn yesterday- Blackwell should understand the situation and rest Quinny for a while or loan him out away from the idiots that boo him.
Quinny has stagnated and is now going to get critisised every time he makes a mistake which unfortunately is becoming too regular.
He had the makings of a very good footballer, perhaps its a a lesser level than the championship (also see Billy Sharp)

 

[Linz]

There was no need to bring on Quinn yesterday- Blackwell should understand the situation and rest Quinny for a while or loan him out away from the idiots that boo him.

When did a football club become a democracy? Blackwell is the manager, and while many of us will disagree with his decisions, it is his right to make them as he sees fit.

Why should he take the reaction of the crowd into consideration?

If he'd have done that, he'd have kept Morgan off the field after the Barnsley stuff because a fair proportion of United fans were hanging him out to try. Monty would never get a place in the team. Greg Halford would have never have been given the chance to come good last season.

The fans don't know everything and shouldn't be given a single consideration when choosing a team. If we all can't agree on here, taking a small sample of United fans, how could anyone expect Blackwell to consult the fans and come up with a team to play at all?

I'm sorry if it hurts anyone's feelings to say this, but in terms of the squad picked on the day, our views are pretty irrelevant

 

[Fiery Blade]

I wasn't alluding to that angle, rather to clarify that Quinn has always been a Blackwell favourite and despite 'bowing' to pressure to drop him due to miserable performances still put him on as perhaps a V sign to the crowd! Or am I reading too much into the situation!!!

Blackwell has an arrogance that would never allow him to listen to the crowd He has a disdain for the supporters and then blames everyone but himself when things do not go right!!
BLACKWELL OUT

 

[Liaminho9]

wow, you got your nickname right there 'fiery blade' haha

 

[Linz]

I wasn't alluding to that angle, rather to clarify that Quinn has always been a Blackwell favourite and despite 'bowing' to pressure to drop him due to miserable performances still put him on as perhaps a V sign to the crowd! Or am I reading too much into the situation!!!

It depends what you want to draw from it.

I prefer to think that it chose a midfielder off the bench to bring on in injury time to allow our £3 million striker, who scored at home on his debut, to receive a standing ovation. The substitution would also waste a little time to relieve any last dash pressure Watford would have piled on.

If some people wish to take the substitution as a personal slight to their sensibilities, then that's up to them and I rather feel that if that's the kind of thing they get upset about, then they will never be able to achieve satisfaction as a Blade

Booing isn't for me unless it's the opposition or a referee. As someone who sits behind the dug out, I can see the reactions of the players' faces as they come off. They know when they've done well, they know when they've played poorly. I don't think they need 4000 people telling them - but the delight is all to clear when those people are telling them they've done well and the anguish when they've been booed.

I personally think of the players as over-sized, over-paid children. You would get nowhere constantly telling a child they're not good enough, you'd just breed resentment and a feeling of "why should I bother?". Tell that child that they can do better though, and they might just be inspired to try that little bit harder next time. The straight-talking "call a spade a spade" Yorkshire cynicism might be endearing, but I don't think it's always productive.

 

[rachyblade]

I wasn't alluding to that angle, rather to clarify that Quinn has always been a Blackwell favourite and despite 'bowing' to pressure to drop him due to miserable performances still put him on as perhaps a V sign to the crowd! Or am I reading too much into the situation!!!

Have you ever thought that maybe Blackwell can see potential in Quinn, the begining of last season he played well for us, scored 7 goals.

I know he has been rubbish for a while and his confidence will have took a battering, he's only young, most players go through a bad patch in their career, will only take him to score a couple of goals, have a couple of good games, people will be back on his side and his confidence will grow.

I give you Monty for example.

 

[Fiery Blade]

In some ways I agree, but just as giving a standing ovation to say Ched Evans for a quality display it actually reduces the effect if you clap off a sh!te performance. These guys are highly paid to play for the Blades and should want the same as the supporters Success!

Have you ever thought that maybe Blackwell can see potential in Quinn, the begining of last season he played well for us, scored 7 goals.

I know he has been rubbish for a while and his confidence will have took a battering, he's only young, most players go through a bad patch in their career, will only take him to score a couple of goals, have a couple of good games, people will be back on his side and his confidence will grow.

I give you Monty for example.

I agree
That is why I am saying give Quinny a break for a while - he has always looked like developing into a real quality player, but is getting worse as each game goes by - I believe that if Monty had Quinny's skill he would be a superstar!

 

[Linz]

In some ways I agree, but just as giving a standing ovation to say Ched Evans for a quality display it actually reduces the effect if you clap off a sh!te performance. These guys are highly paid to play for the Blades and should want the same as the supporters Success!

I'm sure they do want success. Perhaps they are having a crisis of confidence compounded every time they do something wrong? Booing is hardly going to help in those circumstances.

Cotterill went through a patch last season where he looked frightened that a blade of grass was going to bite him on the arse. Wingers need to have a cocky edge to be able to take men on. Blackwell seemed to only play him in away games, away from the home crowd who may have got on his back. It looks to have worked.

Whatever your views on Blackwell, he is the one best placed to know the personalities of the players he's dealing with. Whether he reacts to those personalities in the best way, is probably only for the players and other members of staff to decide. We just don't know.

Blackwell's dealings with the fans in pressure situations I know leaves a lot to be desired. I posted as much last season after the Wednesday game.

But some people seem to want to take offence at absolutely everything Blackwell does, but by not pointing out or at least making allowance for the positive things (play off final, pretty decent win ratio) it makes the negative things seem more like a vendetta instead of a balanced critique of the man.

And as for the choice between clap or boo, may I suggest a third way? Don't clap, but perhaps don't boo either. Silence speaks volumes and lacks the mob-mentality connotation that booing possesses.

 

[Stafford Blade]

I wasn't alluding to that angle, rather to clarify that Quinn has always been a Blackwell favourite and despite 'bowing' to pressure to drop him due to miserable performances still put him on as perhaps a V sign to the crowd! Or am I reading too much into the situation!!!

Blackwell has an arrogance that would never allow him to listen to the crowd He has a disdain for the supporters and then blames everyone but himself when things do not go right!!
BLACKWELL OUT

why should he listen to the crowd? the majority of people inside the ground know sod all about football.

 

[Wapping Blade]

I think it's a fallacy that late subs waste time - the ref played nearly 5 mins added time after announcing 3 mins - the obvious reason is that he was allowing for the late rubbers

 

[Maidenhead]

Players are human, not robots... humans don't always respond well to a collective of criticism, if everytime I did something wrong at work, my bosses lambasted and hammered me for it, I'd leave. I'd much rather they support me and try and correct the problem. Collective booing can do nothing but damage performance. We see the player for an hour and a half every week whereas the management staff see them day in day out for 10 months a year, I'd rather support the team and let the manager decide what's best for the team on what he sees in training

Spot on. Well said.

 

[JohnDenver]

I personally think of the players as over-sized, over-paid children. You would get nowhere constantly telling a child they're not good enough, you'd just breed resentment and a feeling of "why should I bother?". Tell that child that they can do better though, and they might just be inspired to try that little bit harder next time. The straight-talking "call a spade a spade" Yorkshire cynicism might be endearing, but I don't think it's always productive.

Nice analogy. I bet 99% of managers would agree that players are just big kids.

As for the Yorkshire cynicism, I often think that's a poor excuse for unfunny, smug, abuse. Was delighted to discover a new terrace wit sat behind me yesterday....

"Fooking 'ell, that's what £3m buys you" every time Evans did something other than score a goal.

Grrrrr!

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Earlier in this thread Big Mart commented that the booing of Squinny wasn't the most important thing that happened yesterday. But the more I think about it - the more important it becomes to me. For a number of seasons I've become evermore annoyed by some of the garbage that comes from the Kop (and elsewhere?) to the point of looking to move seats - even to move to the posh seats - but this has been my club for decades, and I'm not going to be driven from my Kop by idiots who seem to know little about football, even less about about Sheffield United and seem more interested in their own petty opinions (and looking big in front of their mates?) than in getting behind the lads in red and white shirts.

I've come to accept that I can't change these people's minds (more likely to end up with a punch in the gob) and that I just have to live with the frustration of listening to their crap - though the racism is beyond the pale.

The booing of Squinny tells me I'm in for another season of frustration with these morons taking the shine off most of my visits to BDTBL - and Big Mart - if your point was that you can still be a Blade and boo our own players, then your understanding of being a Blade is different to mine mate. As far as I'm concerned anyone who boos one of our team is a lesser supporter than I am - you can decide for yourself if that's the same as being a "Bigger Blade" - I for one don't really care.

 

[mattbianco1]

Muppets? Thanks for that! a bit uncalled for me thinks!

The muppets were the ones booing!

 

[rachyblade]

Earlier in this thread Big Mart commented that the booing of Squinny wasn't the most important thing that happened yesterday. But the more I think about it - the more important it becomes to me. For a number of seasons I've become evermore annoyed by some of the garbage that comes from the Kop (and elsewhere?) to the point of looking to move seats - even to move to the posh seats - but this has been my club for decades, and I'm not going to be driven from my Kop by idiots who seem to know little about football, even less about about Sheffield United and seem more interested in their own petty opinions (and looking big in front of their mates?) than in getting behind the lads in red and white shirts.

I've come to accept that I can't change these people's minds (more likely to end up with a punch in the gob) and that I just have to live with the frustration of listening to their crap - though the racism is beyond the pale.

The booing of Squinny tells me I'm in for another season of frustration with these morons taking the shine off most of my visits to BDTBL - and Big Mart - if your point was that you can still be a Blade and boo our own players, then your understanding of being a Blade is different to mine mate. As far as I'm concerned anyone who boos one of our team is a lesser supporter than I am - you can decide for yourself if that's the same as being a "Bigger Blade" - I for one don't really care.

I'm with you on the Kop situation, some right dickheads up there at the back now, least when the new Kop is built they will be further back

 

[jkblade7]

i think a couple of bad games is normal as every player has them , getting booed before a player touches a ball isnt exactly going to make his form the best when he reaches the field. how can he improve or even keep his head up , i know they are pros and the money and all that but still , it must be heartbreaking.

shocking.

 

[Bladesman]

Nice analogy. I bet 99% of managers would agree that players are just big kids.

As for the Yorkshire cynicism, I often think that's a poor excuse for unfunny, smug, abuse. Was delighted to discover a new terrace wit sat behind me yesterday....

"Fooking 'ell, that's what £3m buys you" every time Evans did something other than score a goal.

Grrrrr!

Dont know why some are still surprised that people spout garbage at the lane when you think of how much alchohol people consume before the match.

 

[breeny]

I'm with you on the Kop situation, some right dickheads up there at the back now, least when the new Kop is built they will be further back

We were looking up there, some 'proper wannabe hoolies'.

Enjoyed the game yesterday; sang, clapped and encouraged. That must make me a plastic fan though eh?

 

[rachyblade]

I'm on row WW breeny, some of the stuff I hear is funny and some is just stupid.

They were actually arguing with other fans yesterday cos some fans weren't singing, and another fan was shouting at the to stop singing Wednesday songs.

It's entertaining up there when the game is boring though.

 

[breeny]

I'm on row WW breeny, some of the stuff I hear is funny and some is just stupid.

They were actually arguing with other fans yesterday cos some fans weren't singing, and another fan was shouting at the to stop singing Wednesday songs.

It's entertaining up there when the game is boring though.

I can see that it might liven up dull bits of the 90 but it'd piss me off that a load of bullies think they can have a go for not singing constantly........or alternatively being accused of never being to a game before!!

I must be just getting on bit at 32

 

[Gazza1984]

I'm on row WW breeny, some of the stuff I hear is funny and some is just stupid.

They were actually arguing with other fans yesterday cos some fans weren't singing, and another fan was shouting at the to stop singing Wednesday songs.

It's entertaining up there when the game is boring though.

Tell me about it been sat up there for 5 seasons (I think).

Funny things I heard yesterday
"theres only one Paddy Kenny" and from the same clown "into em blades"- This is the universal sign of someone who does not know what they are on about.

 

[rachyblade]

I can see that it might liven up dull bits of the 90 but it'd piss me off that a load of bullies think they can have a go for not singing constantly........or alternatively being accused of never being to a game before!!

I must be just getting on bit at 32

When I say funny i mean as in you laugh at them not with them.

It does do my head in though and I hate it when they get at fans for not singing. Last season there were more as they stood on the steps, however, yesterday a steward was stood there all game so they couldn't.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

We had 2 telling us we were all c**ts for not singing the songs they were feebly trying to get started (too pissed to do the job right). As far as I'm concerned I don't need to proved anything to them - or anyone else for that matter - so sod 'em.

It's a pity though - as the back of the Kop has always been where the best atmosphere has been - and where the best one liners come from - - and now it seems to be increasingly filled with humourless brain-deads.

Don't let the bastards grind you down eh

 

[madeinsheffield]

Rule one of being a supporter - Support your team.

I agree SQuinny is going through a very very poor patch, but if he is going to come on the pitch, leave off him, never never boo our players leave that to the opposing fans.

I don't think it was too clever of blackwell, if as others have said it was to give evans an ovation, is that not translated to pumping his ego?? something we have seen too much of in the past. He should have rested Quinn, no need to put him in the situation where the clueless clowns are going to give him stick before he kicks a ball.

We won, yes we could have been more convincing in midfield, yes hendo should have taken at least one of his chances but we won, and we are above wendys, lets build on it and hopefully this is the start of a good run!

UTB!

 

[Toronto Blade]

Tough to boo any Blades player,just shouldn't happen! I'm sure the coaches can see who isn't playing well .
If I could pick a player to celebrate a goal in front of the unclean it would be Quinn he loves to celebrate a goal,along with Sharp especially against them.They love playing for the red and white.

 

[SRBlade]

Echo everything in this thread. Really hope Quinny didn't hear it.

Oh, and I wish people would stop booing Keith Treacy too.

I reckon Quinn heard it, at the end of the match he just turned and went straight to the tunnel, didnt acknowledge anyone while the rest of the squad clapped the fans.

It that stupid minority that has jumped on the Blades bandwagon over the last 3 years.

They're the first to moan and have a go, usually poxy little cretins of about 17 18 years of age who think they're hooligans because they're at the back of the kop.

 

[breeny]

When I say funny i mean as in you laugh at them not with them.

It does do my head in though and I hate it when they get at fans for not singing. Last season there were more as they stood on the steps, however, yesterday a steward was stood there all game so they couldn't.

just read on that other board that people are c**** if they don't sing the 'new songs'!!!

 

[jacknat]

We had 2 telling us we were all c**ts for not singing the songs they were feebly trying to get started (too pissed to do the job right). As far as I'm concerned I don't need to proved anything to them - or anyone else for that matter - so sod 'em.

It's a pity though - as the back of the Kop has always been where the best atmosphere has been - and where the best one liners come from - - and now it seems to be increasingly filled with humourless brain-deads.

Don't let the bastards grind you down eh

i used to go on the kop many moons ago but i disagree with the best atmosphere bit....i had season tickets on john street next to the away end...that was fun!

i now sit in g on the south stand and i think it's the best atmosphere in the ground.....we usually interact quite well and are occasionally funny

 

[shreds1975]

When people boo Quinn they should think of some of the genuinely poor players that have donned the red and white stripes over the years. Paul Williams (late 80s) is one that immediately springs to mind, but you could also add a lot of the Haslam era players as well.

They should also remember that it is not the players fault. Whatever the reasons for our frustrations with them, the manager at the time obviously sees something there (or a shortage of it elsewhere) to choose to play them.

Quinn looked to have real potential when he first burst on the scene, no shortage of skill on the ball, an eye for goal and a high level of confidence. For whatever reason, be it poor coaching/development, role given by management or lack of effort from the player he has not become the player he looked capable of being. He still found the net, but he has become an attacking (goalscoring) version of Monty. Lots of hustle and bustle, stamina, but a lack of decent passing and a lack of composure. With Monty fulfilling that role successfully it puts pressure on Squinny to be more than what he has contributed over the last 12 months.

He is not a bad player, he is a player who is not playing at a level and of a quality that most regular Blades fans think he is capable of. I didn't think he should have played yesterday. I didn't go to the Port Vale game (a poorly Wife and two young children to look after put paid to that), but I saw him score a belter in the same match last season and unfortunately the rest of the season did not follow the same vein. On the form of the end of last season alone I wouldn't have picked him at the start of this, but Howard is hardly a shoe-in either and Williamson is injured.

Whether you agree with me or think he is the worst player to pull on a red and white shirt since xxxx he was selected and he was wearing the red and white stripes. He should be supported, not booed.