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From these stats it's difficult to see where CW is going to look for an improvement at the top of the team. I can't wait to see which way he goes.

These figures don't really back up the feeling I had that we wasted a lot of opportunities or that we weren't clinical enough in converting chances - well maybe compared with Salah, Kane or Aguero but not really compared with our rivals

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/championship/top-scorers
 



With the amount of balls we get into the box I think a big, mobile centre forward to help Clarke out is at the top of his list. The links to Hogan are interesting and I'd love to see us sign someone of his ilk.
 
Got to look at someone who’s scored goals when they don’t have many chances. Leon could and should have been top scorer this season.

Our strikers get the goals handed to them on a plate mostly.

We need someone who can do the exact same and then get something out of nothing.
 
Didn’t Vydra and Grabban both take penalties as well last season?
Don’t think Leon took any, which would make him joint top scorer for goals in open play.
 
Bladezz said:
Got to look at someone who’s scored goals when they don’t have many chances. Leon could and should have been top scorer this season.

Our strikers get the goals handed to them on a plate mostly.

We need someone who can do the exact same and then get something out of nothing.
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Every striker misses chances.
Clarke was feeding off scraps largely after January. The bloke scored 19 goals for crying out loud.
 
Eric Cartman said:
Every striker misses chances.
Clarke was feeding off scraps largely after January. The bloke scored 19 goals for crying out loud.
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May have come across like I was slagging Clarke off and didn’t mean it to come across if I was. My answer to the OP is more about what type of striker can we bring in.
 
It's not even necessarily about looking for improvement. It's about trying to maintain what we got from our main strikers last season, because that is a big ask.

If we could do that then supplement it with goals from other areas and other new signings that would be very excellent. Having 3 strikers regularly scoring would make a big difference. Having Brooks fit for the season would make a big difference.

Ideally Clarke, Sharp, Brooks and at least one other will be regular scorers next season.
 
Ricky that is key. When Clarke hit a flat spot post Xmas there was nobody to take the pressure off him. Another mobile big man is imperative to either play alongside him or replace him...depending on who we sign.

Someone like Hogan would fill both categories and any 2 from Hogan, Clarke, Sharp and Brooks with the other 2 on the bench would give us a lot of good options.
 
FriethBlade said:
Ricky that is key. When Clarke hit a flat spot post Xmas there was nobody to take the pressure off him. Another mobile big man is imperative to either play alongside him or replace him...depending on who we sign.

Someone like Hogan would fill both categories and any 2 from Hogan, Clarke, Sharp and Brooks with the other 2 on the bench would give us a lot of good options.
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I don't much at all about Hogan but Wikipedia (I know) has him at 5ft 11. Would you class him as being a 'big man'?

Leon Clarke is apparently 6ft 2 and I've never really thought of him as the 'big man' type.
 
I think there's a combination of elements here. Can Sharp and Clarke maintain the same levels, given they will both be a year older? If either of them were to get injured, I think we'd currently be a bit light in that area. Personally I don't think Brooks is a main striker, I class him more like Duffy. Now that Donaldson and Lavery have left, that leaves us Evans as back-up. Don't want to get into another debate about him but I fear he will never reach the level required now for the Championship - I hope I'm wrong because if he came back to where he was then that would be like a quality free signing.

The other area we need to improve is goals coming from midfield, good as Fleck and Duffy were last season, 5 goals between them is a poor return. If Brooks plays regularly then you'd hope his goals to games ratio would improve, he's certainly shown he can finish.

In summary, I think ideally we need at least another quality striker possibly two, whether that be loans from Premier league or permanent signings. Obviously it's not straight forward as they don't grow on trees.

At least we don't have the likes of Rhodes and Fletcher earning big wages.
 
Something Wilder said in an interview the other week really intrigued me. He said that the club hadn't just looked at needing more goals, but had used match stats to identify what 'type of goals' we hadn't scored enough of, and that they would then look to sign a striker(s) to increase our goal output in that specific way.
 
Paulus said:
From these stats it's difficult to see where CW is going to look for an improvement at the top of the team. I can't wait to see which way he goes.

These figures don't really back up the feeling I had that we wasted a lot of opportunities or that we weren't clinical enough in converting chances - well maybe compared with Salah, Kane or Aguero but not really compared with our rivals

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/championship/top-scorers
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We create relatively few chances and convert a relatively high proportion of them. The stats back this up.
 
Maybe we need a wing back to weigh in with, say, 10 or 11 goals but, where on earth would we get one of those? Oh wait a minute........!
 
St Annington said:
Something Wilder said in an interview the other week really intrigued me. He said that the club hadn't just looked at needing more goals, but had used match stats to identify what 'type of goals' we hadn't scored enough of, and that they would then look to sign a striker(s) to increase our goal output in that specific way.
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The solution to that is staring him in the face. Teach someone to take a corner kick.
 



LJBlade said:
I don't much at all about Hogan but Wikipedia (I know) has him at 5ft 11. Would you class him as being a 'big man'?

Leon Clarke is apparently 6ft 2 and I've never really thought of him as the 'big man' type.
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Height isn't everything, having a "presence" helps the illusion of height though. Shearer, Kevin Davies & James Beattie were all just around 6ft no more but look how good they all were in the air & tough to deal with.
 
Hogan is a good physical presence. Lots of fouls though. And I'd imagine massively out of our price range to buy - and someone with a bigger wage bill would get him on Loan. Back to Brentford maybe?
 
Seem to recall reading near end of season that we were 3rd in the Championship for goals from open play. So don't we need someone who can finish better from set pieces?
 
snootyfenooty said:
The solution to that is staring him in the face. Teach someone to take a corner kick.
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Have a read of 'the numbers game'.You will find out that corners are not what you think. No team hardly ends up with an attempt on target never mind a goal.
 
spongebobblade said:
Bobby Reid took them for Bristol City as well
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I wondered if he did SBB but couldn’t find anything. That puts Clarke’s stats even better then.
I think Hogan looks decent but he’s had a few serious injuries. Also he was at Halifax at all be point, don’t know if CW was there then tho. Maybe someone will know.
 
Pinchy said:
He’s right though. Far too much fuss is made about corners. If any team depended on goals from that source they’d be relegated.

It’s a football fans’ myth. One of many.
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You might want to look at Harrisblade 's post directly above yours. That was two of them. In one match.

A pinchybladeyboy mythbuster if you like.
 
Pinchy said:
He’s right though. Far too much fuss is made about corners. If any team depended on goals from that source they’d be relegated.

It’s a football fans’ myth. One of many.
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There’s a limited amount of time you can coach players during the season and you can either spend your time working on passing moves, transitions from defence to attack etc or you can practice corners and just hope your players can figure the passing bit out themselves and don’t take the easy option of leathering up to the big lad up front that you’ve signed because he scores five from corners every season.
 
bladesince64 said:
I wondered if he did SBB but couldn’t find anything. That puts Clarke’s stats even better then.
I think Hogan looks decent but he’s had a few serious injuries. Also he was at Halifax at all be point, don’t know if CW was there then tho. Maybe someone will know.
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Wilder left Halifax in 2008. Hogan joined them in 2010 but I’m sure Wilder will have known all about him from the start with his connections and ability to spot talent in the lower leagues
 



spongebobblade said:
Wilder left Halifax in 2008. Hogan joined them in 2010 but I’m sure Wilder will have known all about him from the start with his connections and ability to spot talent in the lower leagues
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Hogan played for Stocksbridge too. Remarkable rise for him and shows there is talent at that level
 
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