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Or lack of ?
I'm thinking it, so I'm going to say it. We have plenty of midfielders when all fit, including Brooks, Duffy, Coutts, Flack, Evans, etc.
The lack of goals scored between these last season was possibly the reason we missed out on the play offs ?
I can't help thinking that we need a newcomer who can bring flair, creativity, and goals. This could be Marcus Maddison, or someone similar.
My question is, who is going to make way. You have to give a starting place to Coutts if fit, but are the others actually shoe ins ? Fleck? Brooks? Duffy ?
They can't all play can they.!
Agree or disagree?
 



blademark said:
Or lack of ?
I'm thinking it, so I'm going to say it. We have plenty of midfielders when all fit, including Brooks, Duffy, Coutts, Flack, Evans, etc.
The lack of goals scored between these last season was possibly the reason we missed out on the play offs ?
I can't help thinking that we need a newcomer who can bring flair, creativity, and goals. This could be Marcus Maddison, or someone similar.
My question is, who is going to make way. You have to give a starting place to Coutts if fit, but are the others actually shoe ins ? Fleck? Brooks? Duffy ?
They can't all play can they.!
Agree or disagree?
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IMO the problem last season wasn't goals scored. We conceded too many.

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From the outside, yes we score enough and conceded too many but unless the midfield score more next season,we need Leon and Billy to have the seasons of their lives again.
Which obviously isn't a given.
 
Evans looks like he could bang quite a few in over a full season. The problem is that with Coutts coming back I don't see him being a regular starter.
 
Get Fleck to improve his right foot... simple.
 
snootyfenooty said:
Whilst we are adept at scoring from open play our set pieces are shite. Our goals for tally would be boosted if some one could do the basics such as taking a decent corner kick.
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What's odd is that our set pieces were very creative and effective in League One but seem to be the first thing that Championship defences neutralised.

I don't think there's anything wrong in principle in playing the way we do and creating a lot of good scoring opportunities for our front men.

It would be nice to add more goals from midfield (actually more goals from anywhere, really) but in essence that requires finding an improvement on one of: Coutts, Fleck, Duffy, or potentially changing the roles that they play. Can't see us doing either very easily.

For me the priorities are still in central defence and wingback. The need for an attacking player greatly depends on whether Brooks stays and whether Holmes is ever going to make an impact.
 
snootyfenooty said:
Whilst we are adept at scoring from open play our set pieces are shite. Our goals for tally would be boosted if some one could do the basics such as taking a decent corner kick.
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How does our 'goals from set pieces' figure compare with the other teams in this division? It gets mentioned on here a lot how we aren't good enough in that department and I'd fully agree but I've never seen how we compare with the other teams. I'll see if I can find the data

Edit: I've found a website that might help: https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/7/Seasons/6848/England-Championship

Interesting that Clarke scored 31% of our goals which was a higher percentage than any other player
 
Lmaobob said:
Caroline Flack plays for us? Christ - what a signing
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I'm not passing off an opportunity like that. Tap in...

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Does anyone care who scores the goals? I'm sure the midfield could have scored another five if they shot every time the Kop told them to, it might take ten away from Sharp and Clarke, but it's goals from midfield!
 
jt64 said:
Does anyone care who scores the goals? I'm sure the midfield could have scored another five if they shot every time the Kop told them to, it might take ten away from Sharp and Clarke, but it's goals from midfield!
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You're right in that it doesn't really matter who scores the goals. Personally I wouldn't care if we only scored 46 goals next season if it meant we won every game 1-0. Realistically though you need your midfield to score a good amount of goals if you're going to do well as you can't rely on the strikers to score the amount needed for a good season on their own.
 
I think it was more a case of goals from everywhere else. We don’t really have much threat from attacking set plays. Yes JoC is good in the air but he’s no Keifer Moore / Aiden Flint / Sean Morrison etc in terms is size and build etc. So they stick there player on him and that’s about us done.

We need more goals from everywhere as the point said. Think that comes with generally just improving the squad.
 
jt64 said:
Does anyone care who scores the goals? I'm sure the midfield could have scored another five if they shot every time the Kop told them to, it might take ten away from Sharp and Clarke, but it's goals from midfield!
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We only scored 62, not top 6 form ! On the basis that the strikers did well, it seems obvious to me that we lack a 10-12 Goal middie.
 
LJBlade said:
How does our 'goals from set pieces' figure compare with the other teams in this division? It gets mentioned on here a lot how we aren't good enough in that department and I'd fully agree but I've never seen how we compare with the other teams. I'll see if I can find the data

Edit: I've found a website that might help: https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/7/Seasons/6848/England-Championship

Interesting that Clarke scored 31% of our goals which was a higher percentage than any other player
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And the answer is that we finished joint 2nd bottom this season on the number of goals scored form set-pieces. Cardiff and Wolves both top with 21 (we got 9) just shows how important they are. we were also joint 4th worst on set-pieces conceded as well.
 
LJBlade said:
How does our 'goals from set pieces' figure compare with the other teams in this division? It gets mentioned on here a lot how we aren't good enough in that department and I'd fully agree but I've never seen how we compare with the other teams. I'll see if I can find the data

Edit: I've found a website that might help: https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/7/Seasons/6848/England-Championship

Interesting that Clarke scored 31% of our goals which was a higher percentage than any other player
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The thing with decent corner kicks is that it brings the defenders goal scoring opportunities. Colquhoun was good for 5 goals a season in his prime. Even Morgs managed 2 or 3 per season. More recently Harry was good for 5 per season. From a fading memory I'd hazard a guess that most of their goals were from set pieces. This corner thing has been bugging me ever since squinny started taking them and things haven't improved since. We can try all the fancy formations and overlapping centre backs as much as we like but sometimes you have to look at the simple things first if we want to improve the goal tally from non-strikers.
 
blademark said:
Or lack of ?
I'm thinking it, so I'm going to say it. We have plenty of midfielders when all fit, including Brooks, Duffy, Coutts, Flack, Evans, etc.
The lack of goals scored between these last season was possibly the reason we missed out on the play offs ?
I can't help thinking that we need a newcomer who can bring flair, creativity, and goals. This could be Marcus Maddison, or someone similar.
My question is, who is going to make way. You have to give a starting place to Coutts if fit, but are the others actually shoe ins ? Fleck? Brooks? Duffy ?
They can't all play can they.!
Agree or disagree?
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Bet you take some Fleck for a simple spelling mistake.;)
 
We need a big commanding centre half to come in I believe to replace Stearman.
 
We scored 49 from open play but should have had so many more. Strikers missed guilt edged chances too of course, but I think the OP is right. Even Fleck doesn't get anywhere near enough.
 
Get Ozzie Oztumer in. Scored 17 from midfield last season. 15 the season before. Ran us ragged every time we played against him. Available for peanuts from Walsall.
 



LJBlade said:
How does our 'goals from set pieces' figure compare with the other teams in this division? It gets mentioned on here a lot how we aren't good enough in that department and I'd fully agree but I've never seen how we compare with the other teams. I'll see if I can find the data

Edit: I've found a website that might help: https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/7/Seasons/6848/England-Championship

Interesting that Clarke scored 31% of our goals which was a higher percentage than any other player
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