EFL/FSF Safe Standing survey

[LoughboroBlade]

This is perhaps as important as the recent petition – the EFL and Football Supporters Federation have today launched a joint campaign on safe standing, and have opened a really brief survey to allow fans to express there views.

It’s live till May 10th: https://www.efl.com/supporters/stand-up-for-choice/

I know there’s just been the petition, but this is still really important for fans to respond to. Hopefully the club will publicise it too.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Safe standing. Here we go again.

If your all for kids getting crushed to death, however remote the possibility, vote yay !

Times have moved on.

Siddarn

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[Highbury_Blade]

Safe standing. Here we go again.

If your all for kids getting crushed to death, however remote the possibility, vote yay !

Times have moved on.

Siddarn

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Simple answer to that is to make terraces for over 18’s only.

 

[Ricky]

Safe standing. Here we go again.

If your all for kids getting crushed to death, however remote the possibility, vote yay !

Times have moved on.

Siddarn

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Crushes just don't and won't happen. But if they did they'd be more likely to happen in the current all seater setup where the seats in front of you are easier to fall over than the rails proposed with the 'safe standing'.

Tell me how crushes happen here...

 

[Sheffsteel]

Safe standing. Here we go again.

If your all for kids getting crushed to death, however remote the possibility, vote yay !

Times have moved on.

Siddarn

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There’s as much chance of kids getting crushed in the current seating arrangement than safe standing.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

There’s as much chance of kids getting crushed in the current seating arrangement than safe standing.

Indeed. More arguably, based on my experience of the seating at some grounds.

As always, this isn’t some sort of initiative that will force those that enjoy sitting into standing areas. We might never see it at the Lane, but I’d at least like us to have the choice to consider it if we ever get round to redeveloping the Kop, or the Kop corner.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Crushes just don't and won't happen. But if they did they'd be more likely to happen in the current all seater setup where the seats in front of you are easier to fall over than the rails proposed with the 'safe standing'.

Tell me how crushes happen here...

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The barrier fails.

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[The white wall]

With one person standing behind it!

 

[cahill]

Safe standing. Here we go again.

If your all for kids getting crushed to death, however remote the possibility, vote yay !

Times have moved on.

Siddarn

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Drama Queen

 

[DronnieBlade]

Drama Queen

Siddarn.

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[mattbianco1]

Safe standing. Here we go again.

If your all for kids getting crushed to death, however remote the possibility, vote yay !

Times have moved on.

Siddarn

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Don't take your kids onto the standing section then. Simple.

 

[mattbianco1]

For me all away ends should have 80-90% of it standing, as fans end up standing anyway.

Our kop should then have the middle two gangways straight behind the goal as standing all the way up to the back. That would also generate more atmosphere as usually the ones who want to stand at home games are the ones that want to sing too. Keep them all in the same section as opposed to scattered across the back and we have a decent singing section too.

 

[1889]

I don't believe anyone would have been fatally crushed on Leppings Lane, if they hadn't had those ridiculous fences running down the terrace from top to bottom, which effectively made it into a closed rectangular box with 6 foot perimeter barrier. On any normal open terrace, the swell of people at the front would have moved sideways and absorbed the pressure from those coming in, unfortunately that was not possible,as there was tragically nowhere to go.

The City grounds away end was the same and I remember being briefly crushed in there when Utd played Forest and it was a very frightening experience.

I'd be very surprised if Lord Justice Taylor has ever stood on a football terrace

 

[hazzasufc_]

Why not just bring terracing back?

Hillsborough is a poor stadium but the tragedy there was caused by SYP, they just used terracing as an excuse to hide their piss poor job of policing and people have believed their lies for nearly 30 years.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Crushes just don't and won't happen. But if they did they'd be more likely to happen in the current all seater setup where the seats in front of you are easier to fall over than the rails proposed with the 'safe standing'.

Tell me how crushes happen here...

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That doesn't make sense, you are far more likely to get crushed against a rail than a seat. You may break a bone falling over a seat but you won't get crushed.

 

[hazzasufc_]

That doesn't make sense, you are far more likely to get crushed against a rail than a seat. You may break a bone falling over a seat but you won't get crushed.

I agree. Christ, what a death trap this looks like...an accident waiting to happen surely

 

[Ricky]

That doesn't make sense, you are far more likely to get crushed against a rail than a seat. You may break a bone falling over a seat but you won't get crushed.

Crushes can only happen with pressure from behind. No one behind could go over those rails by accident. They can trip over seats though. Not that that would cause a proper crush, but it can cause injuries.

 

[More Bladier than thou]

Stand up, if you hate Wednesday.

 

[BarlboroughBlade]

Safe standing. Here we go again.

If your all for kids getting crushed to death, however remote the possibility, vote yay !

Times have moved on.

Siddarn

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Had to login, just to say what a knob attitude. sorry if that offends but, knob attitude.

 

[BarlboroughBlade]

The barrier fails.

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petrol tanker crash on the Dronfield bypass. You cannot legislate for that

 

[Inter_blade83]

There's no reason not to allow standing at football games.

It is not unsafe.

Manage the people at games properly, sell the right amount of tickets, and they'll be no issues at all. Authorities want seating because they can identify you. That's all. This doesn't change with safe standing as everyone is allocated a place.


My first experience of Bramall Lane was the old Kop corner.

Bring it back!

 

[Inter_blade83]

Had to login, just to say what a knob attitude. sorry if that offends but, knob attitude.

Read some of his other 'contributions'. You'll notice that this isn't a one off.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Used to love standing on the kop as a kid. We'd get in to the ground an hour and a half before kick off, so we could claim a place on the "high step". There was a gangway that ran from the John Street side of the kop to the Cherry street side, about half way up the kop - splitting the kop into two. And the first step above it was about 4 foot high - so, if you were a little shrimper, like I was back then, you could stand on there and have a four foot advantage over anyone in front of you! It was a great way to see the game! What great days...saturday mornings, catch the bus into Sheffield, go to "the skates", i.e. "Silver Blades" or "Top Rank" and try and pull some birds, maybe go for a "Wimpy" or the Harlequin chip shop afterwards - then off to the game to see Woody and Currie do their magic.

I wish we'd bring it back. All of it, not just the "safe-standing". In particular, I'd like my hair back and the ability to pull teenage girls (of legal age I stress).

 

[cahill]

Used to love standing on the kop as a kid. We'd get in to the ground an hour and a half before kick off, so we could claim a place on the "high step". There was a gangway that ran from the John Street side of the kop to the Cherry street side, about half way up the kop - splitting the kop into two. And the first step above it was about 4 foot high - so, if you were a little shrimper, like I was back then, you could stand on there and have a four foot advantage over anyone in front of you! It was a great way to see the game! What great days...saturday mornings, catch the bus into Sheffield, go to "the skates", i.e. "Silver Blades" or "Top Rank" and try and pull some birds, maybe go for a "Wimpy" or the Harlequin chip shop afterwards - then off to the game to see Woody and Currie do their magic.

I wish we'd bring it back. All of it, not just the "safe-standing". In particular, I'd like my hair back and the ability to pull teenage girls (of legal age I stress).

Ahh ! I remember that split on the kop.

Happy days

 

[DronnieBlade]

petrol tanker crash on the Dronfield bypass. You cannot legislate for that

Knob attitudex10.

No apology if this offends

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[Chali 2na]

The barrier fails.

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Are you mad?

 

[DronnieBlade]

Are you mad?

Can you guarantee it wouldn’t / couldn’t happen ?

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[LoughboroBlade]

Can you guarantee it wouldn’t / couldn’t happen ?

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I don’t think anyone could “guarantee” that. The likelihood of that happening though would be extremely remote.

 

[Chali 2na]

Can you guarantee it wouldn’t / couldn’t happen ?

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No, in the same way I can't guarantee an anvil won't land on my head when I leave the house.

I can't belive you're this dense - I feel like this has to be a troll/joke.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Can you guarantee it wouldn’t / couldn’t happen ?

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There is a 0.00000001 % chance the barrier could fail

If someone takes a ratchet kit into the ground and spends 30 minutes on their hands and knees unscrewing the bolts on a few rails
And manage not to get noticed by fans or stewards.

Then we score a vitally important goal

And there happens to be a section of unruly boisterous fans in that particular section that like to surge

Then I agree the barrier could fail.

But I’ve got more chance of winning the Euro lottery than seeing a regularly inspected barrier screwed into concrete fail.

It’s like saying all football matches should be abandoned if it starts thundering and lightening because there’s a health/ danger risk to players and fans being struck down and killed by lightening.