We are vulnerable this summer.

[Woodwardfan]

The ownership dispute is so much the 'Bladesway'. We are vulnerable and there is a worst case scenario which we are all aware of and dread.

Wilder is a professional and successful manager no doubt in big demand for clubs like West Brom, Southampton who will have loads of cash to splash from their Parachute Payments as well as the accumulated wealth from years in the Premier League. He is exactly what those clubs need in their position; a practical, successful manager with his feet on the ground and an incredible three seasons success at three levels of the league where he knows value for money and quality players; an ability to establish 'old values' in the modern game.

Wilder and Knill were given improved contracts last summer but I suggest they are on peanuts compared to the offers that can be made by the above clubs. Added to that their spending budgets and the quality of their exising squads will be far higher than ours while we are paralysed by the owners' legal wranglings without the means to improve the squad much at all.

My belief is that Wilder wants to be in the job he is in right now and for years to come. He can transform the club and change it's history and which Blade would not give their hind teeth for that opportunity - a legend at his own club in his own lifetime and for ever.

On the other hand if the Prince takes total control will he change the phylosophy and careful path that Wilder has established. The risks for Wilder are obvious especially if we have a mediocre start to the season which will not be weighed against the lack of budget in the summer. It's harsh but almost inevitable that results count regardless of background conditions and past achievements are soon forgotten, especially by foreign owners.

This is 'The Bladesway' and it all lifts towards Farce and Incredulity if we should get promoted this season. Wilder will have to weigh-up all those factors very soon I'd say.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

The ownership dispute is so much the 'Bladesway'. We are vulnerable and there is a worst case scenario which we are all aware of and dread.

Wilder is a professional and successful manager no doubt in big demand for clubs like West Brom, Southampton who will have loads of cash to splash from their Parachute Payments as well as the accumulated wealth from years in the Premier League. He is exactly what those clubs need in their position; a practical, successful manager with his feet on the ground and an incredible three seasons success at three levels of the league where he knows value for money and quality players; an ability to establish 'old values' in the modern game.

Wilder and Knill were given improved contracts last summer but I suggest they are on peanuts compared to the offers that can be made by the above clubs. Added to that their spending budgets and the quality of their exising squads will be far higher than ours while we are paralysed by the owners' legal wranglings without the means to improve the squad much at all.

My belief is that Wilder wants to be in the job he is in right now and for years to come. He can transform the club and change it's history and which Blade would not give their hind teeth for that opportunity - a legend at his own club in his own lifetime and for ever.

On the other hand if the Prince takes total control will he change the phylosophy and careful path that Wilder has established. The risks for Wilder are obvious especially if we have a mediocre start to the season which will not be weighed against the lack of budget in the summer. It's harsh but almost inevitable that results count regardless of background conditions and past achievements are soon forgotten, especially by foreign owners.

This is 'The Bladesway' and it all lifts towards Farce and Incredulity if we should get promoted this season. Wilder will have to weigh-up all those factors very soon I'd say.

I call bullshit.

He's had one year in the Championship and looks like he'll finish around 10th with a team made up of journeymen and lower league players.

Hardly the track record these £multi-million organisations are looking for.

We'll be fine.

 

[pommpey]

I call bullshit.

He's had one year in the Championship and looks like he'll finish around 10th with a team made up of journeymen and lower league players.

Hardly the track record these £multi-million organisations are looking for.

We'll be fine.

The likes of WBA and Scum will be after either another PL sackee or another forrin manager.

Our problem lies with starting next season with (largely) this season's team.

pommpey

 

[snootyfenooty]

The ownership dispute is so much the 'Bladesway'. We are vulnerable and there is a worst case scenario which we are all aware of and dread.

Wilder is a professional and successful manager no doubt in big demand for clubs like West Brom, Southampton who will have loads of cash to splash from their Parachute Payments as well as the accumulated wealth from years in the Premier League. He is exactly what those clubs need in their position; a practical, successful manager with his feet on the ground and an incredible three seasons success at three levels of the league where he knows value for money and quality players; an ability to establish 'old values' in the modern game.

Wilder and Knill were given improved contracts last summer but I suggest they are on peanuts compared to the offers that can be made by the above clubs. Added to that their spending budgets and the quality of their exising squads will be far higher than ours while we are paralysed by the owners' legal wranglings without the means to improve the squad much at all.

My belief is that Wilder wants to be in the job he is in right now and for years to come. He can transform the club and change it's history and which Blade would not give their hind teeth for that opportunity - a legend at his own club in his own lifetime and for ever.

On the other hand if the Prince takes total control will he change the phylosophy and careful path that Wilder has established. The risks for Wilder are obvious especially if we have a mediocre start to the season which will not be weighed against the lack of budget in the summer. It's harsh but almost inevitable that results count regardless of background conditions and past achievements are soon forgotten, especially by foreign owners.

This is 'The Bladesway' and it all lifts towards Farce and Incredulity if we should get promoted this season. Wilder will have to weigh-up all those factors very soon I'd say.

If Wilder is on the radar of these clubs then he will be in the queue behind Neil Harris for a start. Lets get some perspective here.

 

[Rodley]

Didn’t read the OP but assume we had “we won’t have another chance like this” and / or “the division will be much stronger next year”.

 

[Pierre's PC]

Didn’t read the OP but assume we had “we won’t have another chance like this” and / or “the division will be much stronger next year”.

Didn't read it either so I'm taking this as an excellent summary of the post.

 

[Stretch]

Whilst I completely understand folk being a bit worried (this is United after all) it is also quite possible that the boardroom sorts itself out in a favourable manner and we actually manage to kick on next season. That's assuming we don't go up by the way, which itself is still not certain.

 

[Stretch]

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[Sean Thornton]

Didn’t read the OP but assume we had “we won’t have another chance like this” and / or “the division will be much stronger next year”.

"Instinct"

 

[pommpey]

Whilst I completely understand folk being a bit worried (this is United after all) it is also quite possible that the boardroom sorts itself out in a favourable manner and we actually manage to kick on next season. That's assuming we don't go up by the way, which itself is still not certain.

Again, I'm really praying now we don't go up. Before anyone starts, please:

1. Boardroom uncertainty = no cash to spend, even from the 'promotion kitty'
2. Imagine kicking off next season with the same lineup we had on Saturday against Spuds at the New WHL or Citeh at the Etihad?

2008s relegation would seem like just a weird, uncomfortable dream compared to the screaming nightmare we'd have.

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

Again, I'm really praying now we don't go up. Before anyone starts, please:

1. Boardroom uncertainty = no cash to spend, even from the 'promotion kitty'
2. Imagine kicking off next season with the same lineup we had on Saturday against Spuds at the New WHL or Citeh at the Etihad?

2008s relegation would seem like just a weird, uncomfortable dream compared to the screaming nightmare we'd have.

pommpey

Unless they've agreed on some sort of back up plan to fund the club and transfers whilst negotiating it's probably the most worrying time for years.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Again, I'm really praying now we don't go up. Before anyone starts, please:

1. Boardroom uncertainty = no cash to spend, even from the 'promotion kitty'
2. Imagine kicking off next season with the same lineup we had on Saturday against Spuds at the New WHL or Citeh at the Etihad?

2008s relegation would seem like just a weird, uncomfortable dream compared to the screaming nightmare we'd have.

pommpey

Your prayers will be answered but the notion that a club picks and chooses when it goes up or even makes the play-offs is daft.
And even United would spend some of the £200m on new players.

 

[Geordie Blade]

Didn't read it either so I'm taking this as an excellent summary of the post.

I haven't read any of the posts in this thread either, but I agree with your agreement of the summary, and so does my wife.

 

[Davalon]

We need to sack McCabe before it's too late.

 

[pommpey]

We need to sack McCabe before it's too late.

Get Wilder to sack him

"Oi, Kev. You're sacked. Off yer go!"

pommpey

 

[Worksop II]

Unless they've agreed on some sort of back up plan to fund the club and transfers whilst negotiating it's probably the most worrying time for years.

You would expect that "if" both parties really want the Club this would not be a difficult item to agree on

Though I suspect it wouldn't be Game Changing

 

[pommpey]

Your prayers will be answered but the notion that a club picks and chooses when it goes up or even makes the play-offs is daft.
And even United would spend some of the £200m on new players.

I don't think we are even half-ready to go up, even if we had a ridiculous amount in promotion bonuses.

People may argue "Well, Bournemouth/Watford managed it ... " but at the moment we have no real stability with regard the backroom. Speaking with a 'Wer U Erd Dis Pal' in the sunshine of the Sheaf car park on Satdi, apparently HRH has a rather destabilising set of operatives in and amongst the staff at BDTBL and one or two are fearing for the worst. That doesn't bode well for the short term future.

Trust Wilder and the team.

Just hope its fucking sorted for August this year and we are ready for another small step upwards further. Be a tragedy if we finished lower because of boardroom turmoil.

pommpey

 

[Barney]

I don't think we are even half-ready to go up, even if we had a ridiculous amount in promotion bonuses.

People may argue "Well, Bournemouth/Watford managed it ... " but at the moment we have no real stability with regard the backroom. Speaking with a 'Wer U Erd Dis Pal' in the sunshine of the Sheaf car park on Satdi, apparently HRH has a rather destabilising set of operatives in and amongst the staff at BDTBL and one or two are fearing for the worst. That doesn't bode well for the short term future.

Trust Wilder and the team.

Just hope its fucking sorted for August this year and we are ready for another small step upwards further. Be a tragedy if we finished lower because of boardroom turmoil.

pommpey

The moment Wilder stops working his magic, we're in trouble

 

[Pedro's Winger]

I don't think we are even half-ready to go up, even if we had a ridiculous amount in promotion bonuses.

People may argue "Well, Bournemouth/Watford managed it ... " but at the moment we have no real stability with regard the backroom. Speaking with a 'Wer U Erd Dis Pal' in the sunshine of the Sheaf car park on Satdi, apparently HRH has a rather destabilising set of operatives in and amongst the staff at BDTBL and one or two are fearing for the worst. That doesn't bode well for the short term future.

Trust Wilder and the team.

Just hope its fucking sorted for August this year and we are ready for another small step upwards further. Be a tragedy if we finished lower because of boardroom turmoil.

pommpey

We won't be in the play-offs so in a way the argument is academic but neither Cardiff nor Millwall will be 'ready' for promotion yet they'll take it if the opportunity's there.

 

[pommpey]

We won't be in the play-offs so in a way the argument is academic but neither Cardiff nor Millwall will be 'ready' for promotion yet they'll take it if the opportunity's there.

Millwall won't make it. They're a half decent side but on Saturday's showing they won't survive a playoff campaign

Cardiff have the 'Warnock factor' and if substantially reinforced, could survive to exist i the bottom half of the table

Us? We'll kick off next season with the same squad whilst HRH and KMc slap each other with wet fish. Just watch.

pommpey

 

[5tannington Blade]

People shouldn't be worried:

Wilder has bought himself at least 1-2 years of loyalty with United fans before he is seriously considered for the sack (ie. he could have an awful season all of next year and still have a job at the end of it). He is loved here and it is his boyhood club he is managing.

Say Southampton sacked Hughes and offered to double Wilders' wages, he might only be given 3 months before they get rid of him. He needs to start from scratch to win the fans over and there is no guarantee they will be in any better position to get them up than us.

He can get a job elsewhere for more money but how long could it potentially last for?

 

[Bashar Al Asaba]

The likely sequence of events as I see it:

The fat Saudi takes charge

Wilder leaves as a result (if not snapped up already)

New fella not accepted or wanted by many fans, early calls for him to be sacked, atmosphere poisonous as fuck

The greatest opportunity in years pissed away.

I'd love another scenario, but I really can't see one.

 

[Woodwardfan]

People shouldn't be worried:

Wilder has bought himself at least 1-2 years of loyalty with United fans before he is seriously considered for the sack (ie. he could have an awful season all of next year and still have a job at the end of it). He is loved here and it is his boyhood club he is managing.

Say Southampton sacked Hughes and offered to double Wilders' wages, he might only be given 3 months before they get rid of him. He needs to start from scratch to win the fans over and there is no guarantee they will be in any better position to get them up than us.

He can get a job elsewhere for more money but how long could it potentially last for?

Its not the fans he needs to concern himself with.

The prince wants foreign players identified by Van Winkle and Wilder not so much thank you.

 

[8lade]

I'm worried about the size of the prince's back pocket.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I call bullshit.

He's had one year in the Championship and looks like he'll finish around 10th with a team made up of journeymen and lower league players.

Hardly the track record these £multi-million organisations are looking for.

We'll be fine.

I am re-assured by your post and the 9 'likes'. The forum working well.

Let's hope so.

 

[Aston max]

Get Wilder to sack him

"Oi, Kev. You're sacked. Off yer go!"

pommpey

 

[blade too long]

Again, I'm really praying now we don't go up. Before anyone starts, please:

1. Boardroom uncertainty = no cash to spend, even from the 'promotion kitty'
2. Imagine kicking off next season with the same lineup we had on Saturday against Spuds at the New WHL or Citeh at the Etihad?

2008s relegation would seem like just a weird, uncomfortable dream compared to the screaming nightmare we'd have.

pommpey

did huddersfield start with the same squad , nah spunked some of the 80 plus million they gave them

of course wed recruit

all 3 promoted last season look like staying up
stop shiting bricks about it, our record v top clubs including spuds show we wont get crushed

 

[56yearsablade]

Realistically we are odds on to miss out this year and therefore the scenario's mentioned earlier in this thread as regards the decisions CW will be faced with are both realistic and from a fans point of view daunting when you look at the situation from CW's perspective.

CW is 50 years old and has managed at Alfreton/Halifax/Oxford/Northampton and then us. It is 100% certain that CW will have received minimal remuneration throughout his career including I would speculate with us when he no doubt did not initially place wage negotiations above simply returning to the Lane and whilst he has in the interim received an "improved" contract the base point before the improvement is likely to have been pretty low. In a nutshell from his managerial career in football CW will not be a ealthy man.

What does it matter some people will say "he is a blade and will never leave us voluntarily ? - I would say to this nonsense, CW needs to look after his family and if he peers in to a 2018/19 season potentially devoid of transfer funding ( ownership dispute et al) he will know that the percentages dictate that 2018/19 will be much much harder than 2017/18.

His stock will never be higher in the game than at the end of this season - put yourself in his position on the basis life changing offers are made to him in the summer ( as will happen) what would you do ? ........................................

 

[Woodwardfan]

Realistically we are odds on to miss out this year and therefore the scenario's mentioned earlier in this thread as regards the decisions CW will be faced with are both realistic and from a fans point of view daunting when you look at the situation from CW's perspective.

CW is 50 years old and has managed at Alfreton/Halifax/Oxford/Northampton and then us. It is 100% certain that CW will have received minimal remuneration throughout his career including I would speculate with us when he no doubt did not initially place wage negotiations above simply returning to the Lane and whilst he has in the interim received an "improved" contract the base point before the improvement is likely to have been pretty low. In a nutshell from his managerial career in football CW will not be a ealthy man.

What does it matter some people will say "he is a blade and will never leave us voluntarily ? - I would say to this nonsense, CW needs to look after his family and if he peers in to a 2018/19 season potentially devoid of transfer funding ( ownership dispute et al) he will know that the percentages dictate that 2018/19 will be much much harder than 2017/18.

His stock will never be higher in the game than at the end of this season - put yourself in his position on the basis life changing offers are made to him in the summer ( as will happen) what would you do ? ........................................

Especially if McCabe leaves.

What relationship has he with the prince? We are told he doesn't fancy a Belgian D.O.F with a brief to recruit foreign players.

Where is the job security in that scenario?

If he can add 50% plus salary and match his contract term what should he do for his family. Agree he's had modest wages for years past and a divorce I think.

Tough on him and he knows thete will be little sentiment amongst the prince's advisors in the future.

 

[Woodwardfan]

did huddersfield start with the same squad , nah spunked some of the 80 plus million they gave them

of course wed recruit

all 3 promoted last season look like staying up
stop shiting bricks about it, our record v top clubs including spuds show we wont get crushed

Not sure that's anything to do with this thread is it?