Ryan Leonard

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Shrimperama to be honest he hasn’t shown anything that he is going to or is capable of making the step up to the Championship. He isn’t good enough on the Ball to play in Central midfield for us. He is now a back up to our right sided centre half.

We really have to sort out our scouting for next season we have wasted some money this year in Heneghan / Thomas / Leonard / Wilson.
 



Can't judge him on that match as everyone was poor he had no chance when the support for a new player wasn't there give him a bit space.In Wilder we trust.w

Even so .... you watch it back and his whole demeanour is off...
 
He's been solid if unspectacular so far, but I can only see him improving and I am delighted to have him in the squad.
 
Far too early to say, some of the experts on here have written him off because he doesn't do a hollywood style pass. Started well first game away to Norwich good midfield performance we won. Played for an hour at home in midfield against Villa we were playing well at that point. Next two appearances were as sub against Leeds and QPR at home. Came on against QPR when they'd got back into the game at 2-1 went straight through one of their players and broke up their momentum. We had a welcome Ryan Leonard thread as a result of that tackle.

Next game against Hull he went backwards and had a really poor game as did all the team. Didn't appear again until the home game with Forest. Put in a good shift as RCB. Started at Brentford and put in a disciplined performance in his more preferred deeper midfield role. Had to come off when Blackman got himself sent off. Came on as a late sub against Cardiff.

Its been stop start for him but the manager clearly see's something in him. He is adjusting to the pace of the championship, look how long it took Lundstram, both haven't had an intense pre season Blades style. Judge him next season
 
As one or two have already said I've not seen enough of him to make a complete judgement. Apart from the one appearance at centre half, when Wilder's put him in midfield it's been in the advanced role that Duffy plays. I don't think that's his game, my thought is he would be better suited playing the anchor in midfield, a player with a bit of bite who can sit in there (similar to what Michael Brown did for Fulham and Spurs after a going up a level from us, he had been the archetypal box-to-box player for us but developed his game in the Prem to become more of a holding midfield player).
I think his game is box to box, certainly at his age now. I would be surprised if his range and accuracy of passing was good enough for the holding role. I don`t know whether CW/AK have a defined role for him after a good pre-season, or see him as a utility player. Lets give him a chance and not judge him too soon.
 
Unspectacular at best....dogshite at worst...I think after we had pursued him for so long that we were all expecting Steven Gerrard so probably a bit harsh on the lad but he's not shown anything to suggest his tenure will be long and prosperous...

Unfair to draw comparisons with Lundstram who was immediately judged by Coutts high standards but you could see ability there and a willingness with Lunny from day one.....something I haven't seen in Leonard whatsoever. I wish him well and will give full support whenever he takes the field but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him back at Southend in the summer...

Same goes for Ricky Holmes, (not necessarily at Southend!)
 
Unspectacular at best....dogshite at worst...I think after we had pursued him for so long that we were all expecting Steven Gerrard so probably a bit harsh on the lad but he's not shown anything to suggest his tenure will be long and prosperous...

Unfair to draw comparisons with Lundstram who was immediately judged by Coutts high standards but you could see ability there and a willingness with Lunny from day one.....something I haven't seen in Leonard whatsoever. I wish him well and will give full support whenever he takes the field but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him back at Southend in the summer...

Same goes for Ricky Holmes, (not necessarily at Southend!)

The difference is Torrix, when Holmes has played he's been accorded MotM status. Think we're talking two very different types of player, both in terms of potential and actual skill.
 
I think his game is box to box, certainly at his age now. I would be surprised if his range and accuracy of passing was good enough for the holding role. I don`t know whether CW/AK have a defined role for him after a good pre-season, or see him as a utility player. Lets give him a chance and not judge him too soon.

Agree, don't think passing is Leonard's strong suit but didn't have in mind him sitting in a holding role pinging the ball all over the park, had him more in the anchor role, breaking play up, some protection in front of the back three centre halves (especially when two of them bomb forward), getting his tackles in, then keeping it simple when he wins it, more Hockey than Currie if you like. Whether CW wants that type of player is another matter altogether!
 
He's been solid if unspectacular so far, but I can only see him improving and I am delighted to have him in the squad.
You are very easily delighted then mate.

“ Delight” to me means extreme pleasure. Sorry but he hasn’t given any of us that. Maybe he will? Who knows. But “Disappointed” is a far better word to use for what he’s shown so far.

It doesn’t make you less of a Blade for saying what you think btw. It’s ok to speak honestly on here although some may not like it.
 
You are very easily delighted then mate.

“ Delight” to me means extreme pleasure. Sorry but he hasn’t given any of us that. Maybe he will? Who knows. But “Disappointed” is a far better word to use for what he’s shown so far.

It doesn’t make you less of a Blade for saying what you think btw. It’s ok to speak honestly on here although some may not like it.

It's all a matter of opinion but I disagree that he has been a disappointment. He has shown us both good and not so good but has hardly been a flop.
I see a young player who is adapting to a higher level but with huge potential, and we should always be looking to have a group of players like him in our squad.
I think I recall that you were one of those (like myself) who were unconvinced by the 'these players will struggle in the championship' line that others kept spouting, because of Wilder's policy of choosing the best from league 1. Leonard was player of the season 4 years running in a very decent Southend team, so I am convinced he can come good at a higher level.
Time will tell, but like Lundstram I see him taking a while to truly settle before we see a very good player emerge.
 



It's all a matter of opinion but I disagree that he has been a disappointment. He has shown us both good and not so good but has hardly been a flop.
I see a young player who is adapting to a higher level but with huge potential, and we should always be looking to have a group of players like him in our squad.
I think I recall that you were one of those (like myself) who were unconvinced by the 'these players will struggle in the championship' line that others kept spouting, because of Wilder's policy of choosing the best from league 1. Leonard was player of the season 4 years running in a very decent Southend team, so I am convinced he can come good at a higher level.
Time will tell, but like Lundstram I see him taking a while to truly settle before we see a very good player emerge.

My view on the new signings, so it might help to see how Leonard compares to the others.

Lundstrum: Initially clearly not as good as Coutts, tried too many long passes and gave the ball away too much BUT you could see that he was wanting the ball and kept trying difficult stuff (much of it not working). He’s improved over the last few weeks, plenty of energy and again demanding the ball and attempting difficult passes mixed in with easy stuff. Think he’ll be a success, potentially a top midfielder.
GOOD SIGNING with the potential to be a GREAT SIGNING.

Lee Evans: immediately impressive, plays very similiar to Coutts but probably too many safe keep possession sideways passes. Nice and tidy player but isn’t as dynamic as Lundstrum. He’s good but only up to a level. Never looks like scoring, prefers to play as defensive midfielder taking the ball off the defenders, plays a very safe keep possession game.
GOOD SIGNING

Ricky Holmes: Hardly played but when he has he’s showed odd flickers of talent but at the moment he flatters to deceive.
Would like to see more of him because you can see he might have some ability.
JURY STILL OUT could go either way

Ryan Leonard: Hardly played but when he’s been on he’s not done anything good or anything bad. He’s shown he can run around and make tackles but hasn’t shown any sign of quality on the ball. In fact when ever Lenny has the ball he’s quickly passed it to a colleague as though he’s conscious not to make any errors, so maybe he’s a little overawed. We need to see more of him before making a judgement but he’s kind of been invisible to date.
JURY STILL OUT but early signs are underwhelming, doesn’t seem quite comfortable enough with the ball to play central midfield.

James Wilson; Very underwhelming to date. Has clever movement but his body language isn’t good. Ball never seems to fall in his path, so he’s hardly had any chances but he looks fed up. Desperately needs a goal to boost his confidence.
JURY STILL OUT but looks low on confidence and looks like he’s not enjoying his loan spell. At present will be sent back to Man Utd.
 
It's all a matter of opinion but I disagree that he has been a disappointment. He has shown us both good and not so good but has hardly been a flop.
I see a young player who is adapting to a higher level but with huge potential, and we should always be looking to have a group of players like him in our squad.
I think I recall that you were one of those (like myself) who were unconvinced by the 'these players will struggle in the championship' line that others kept spouting, because of Wilder's policy of choosing the best from league 1. Leonard was player of the season 4 years running in a very decent Southend team, so I am convinced he can come good at a higher level.
Time will tell, but like Lundstram I see him taking a while to truly settle before we see a very good player emerge.

I'm still not a Lundstram fan, unlike some on here who will give him MoM for poking his head round the dressing room door. However, even I acknowledge that contrary to my expectations he has improved. Just needs to add consistency, better decision making and shooting to his game. Therefore if Lundstram can improve I say to myself, why can't Lenny? He's clearly capable so maybe time will tell. Maybe it's a bit difficult going from "top dog" in a team that everyone looks to for "leadership" to just one of the squad with no clear role? Shrimperama says he's a nice lad on and off the pitch. Maybe too nice for our rag bag of pub team players? I suppose he's another we have to give a bit of time when we needed something instantly.

Just realised, waffled on. Maybe I should have said I agree with you. :rolleyes:
 
Looks to me like he is still adjusting to life in the Championship. I know as a team we ridiculed the south Barnsley massive when they said it would be much harder than League one but it is a big step up. The difference I see is not just technical ability but the speed of thought more than anything else, Lundstram was much the same when he started getting games he was off the pace and made a scapegoat by a lot of our fans (at the lane, at the lane, we love to have a scapegoat at the lane) Leonard will be a good player for us when he gets more games and becomes more comfortable with the speed of Championship football. I'm more confident in the younger Leonard than I am in Holmes seems like CW is too if the numbers of games played is anything to go by, I'm not going to mention much about Wilson who looks destined for a return to Man U before making a living in the lower divisions. Evans our other January signing came from a Championship club and it shows, he was just about up to speed from day one the guys making the step up from League one were always going to take a bit longer.
 
Looks to me like he is still adjusting to life in the Championship. I know as a team we ridiculed the south Barnsley massive when they said it would be much harder than League one but it is a big step up. The difference I see is not just technical ability but the speed of thought more than anything else, Lundstram was much the same when he started getting games he was off the pace and made a scapegoat by a lot of our fans (at the lane, at the lane, we love to have a scapegoat at the lane) Leonard will be a good player for us when he gets more games and becomes more comfortable with the speed of Championship football. I'm more confident in the younger Leonard than I am in Holmes seems like CW is too if the numbers of games played is anything to go by, I'm not going to mention much about Wilson who looks destined for a return to Man U before making a living in the lower divisions. Evans our other January signing came from a Championship club and it shows, he was just about up to speed from day one the guys making the step up from League one were always going to take a bit longer.


True about Evans but he was plying his trade at Wigan.
 
He’s been okay for us. Championship teams have huge squads of excellent players. Middlesbrough had Clayton and Forshaw in there reserves this season! Both £4million + players.

We need a different option at times, I remember Preston away and it was awful as we didn’t have enough players.

We ended up with a midfield 3 of Lafferty / Basham / Carruthers.

For me that can never happen again in the championship. Look at all the teams they have decent players not getting a game it’s the strength of the championship.
 
Leonard will be a good squad player for us, but seems more likely to play at RCB or RB because he lacks the quality on the ball to fit into our midfield.


Apart from the one appearance at centre half, when Wilder's put him in midfield it's been in the advanced role that Duffy plays.

No it hasn't. He's played in the equivalent of Fleck's position, but on the right.


We really have to sort out our scouting for next season we have wasted some money this year in Heneghan / Thomas / Leonard / Wilson.

Ched too. Yep, we have wasted some money. But it still doesn't amount to much because of our small total budget. It's inevitable that some money will be wasted when you're forced to take punts on players stepping up to a very tough division. It must be extremely frustrating for Wilder.

One way to look at it though is that Baldock and Evans have or will both gain more in value than the amount we've arguably wasted on certain players.

But we do have to improve and widen the scouting. Not doing so is inexcusable.
 
We really have to sort out our scouting for next season we have wasted some money this year in Heneghan / Thomas / Leonard / Wilson.

Heneghan and Thomas were always more long term signings than for this season.

Don't think there's a problem with our scouting even though I do think we could broaden our horizons a bit more in terms of Europe. The vast majority of signings have been good, and not every signing will come off no matter how big or small your budget is.
 
Sorry to join this party late. A great pity that he hasn't met your expectations so far, and seeing his time on the bench stats it seems Mr Wilder is also having second thoughts. Maybe a full pre-season will do the trick and he will produce the stuff that he did for us. What it has proved to me is that the quality gap between FL1 and the Championship is vast and thats a fact. One of ours mentioned Drew Yearwood on here. Don't take any notice of the comments, he's absolutely rubbish and wouldn't merit your manager stalking him for an entire season and then stumping up money. Good that your season has been solid although the play-offs look out of reach now maybe.
 
Sorry to join this party late. A great pity that he hasn't met your expectations so far, and seeing his time on the bench stats it seems Mr Wilder is also having second thoughts. Maybe a full pre-season will do the trick and he will produce the stuff that he did for us. What it has proved to me is that the quality gap between FL1 and the Championship is vast and thats a fact. One of ours mentioned Drew Yearwood on here. Don't take any notice of the comments, he's absolutely rubbish and wouldn't merit your manager stalking him for an entire season and then stumping up money. Good that your season has been solid although the play-offs look out of reach now maybe.

He has all the attributes but from what I’ve seen he isn’t good enough to play in a championship midfield due to his limited passing.

He’s no doubt a good player but we are comparing him to excellent passers of the ball and he doesn’t stack up currently.
 
Lenny's main talents revolve around tackling, chasing down opposition players and an abilty to do it all for 90 minutes. He is strong in the air and when he's in the mood he has a pretty good shot on him. If Wilder was hoping that he would develop devastating passing skills then he got that wrong. Obviously he can pass a ball, he is a professional footballer, but it was never his major attribute.
 
Sorry to join this party late. A great pity that he hasn't met your expectations so far, and seeing his time on the bench stats it seems Mr Wilder is also having second thoughts. Maybe a full pre-season will do the trick and he will produce the stuff that he did for us. What it has proved to me is that the quality gap between FL1 and the Championship is vast and thats a fact. One of ours mentioned Drew Yearwood on here. Don't take any notice of the comments, he's absolutely rubbish and wouldn't merit your manager stalking him for an entire season and then stumping up money. Good that your season has been solid although the play-offs look out of reach now maybe.

Lenny will do alright, he's just not been used that much yet.

Wilder alluded to something when he was talking about Coutts (injured midfield Maestro), that when he comes back then we will have plenty of midfielders, mentioning Leonard directly he sees him as being a different option in case we need it.

He's also not been able to displace Basham from Right Centre Half, not yet at least.

As you say, the preseason will be good for him
 



Looks like he's seen as a RCB primarily. He seems to lack the ball retention skills (not just passing) to play in our midfield.
 

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