Fleck

[Baaaaaaa Blades]

Love your work our little Scottish fella but please do more of what you did just before half time

We are crying out for players to run at other teams defenders (especially these lesser teams coming to play for a draw !)
It causes panic and like last night ( and Brooks at pisbororugh) free kicks are won in dangerous places ( although why didn't Fleck take the free kick !? Thought def should of been his- personally thought our set prices yesterday were mainly very poor )

Fleck has it in his locker as has the close control and skill to take a run and shoot ! ( like brooks who would have been a great sub to have last night)

 

[McGrath]

He made a couple of superb runs. One just before half time that won us a free kick outside their area was fantastic.

We need more of that to unlock some of these well organised defences

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Agree we a desperate for someone to run at opposition players at take them on.
We seem to be a team full of double back or pass sideways players.
Yesterday's match and the Bolton match highlighted this.
Not sure any of our new signings can do this either, and not sure Holmes can do this ( The Charlton fans don't think he's having a good season and has been found out).
I know people on here have said we don't play with wingers but sometimes it would be good to have that option to change the system especially at home.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

What a player absolute joy to watch

 

[mancunianblade]

I’ll get told I’m wrong but here goes.

Lundstram was better than Fleck last night.

Your point is valid though he does need to drive more.

I don’t think he played bad he did play well but Lundstram played better.

As there was little else to watch I spent a lot of time just watching Lundstram. He was tireless and always showing for the ball. His range of passing is fantastic.

I had people sat around me and I’ve read it on here too calling for Leonard to replace Lundstram last night despite most of them seeing nothing more than a YouTube video of him.

I think we are suffering a little because Fleck and Coutts have such a good understanding and that’s gone for this season. But I’m going to stick my neck out and say Lundstram has been better than Fleck for a few weeks now and if anyone should make way for a new comer it should be Fleck. And as I’ve said above I don’t think Fleck has been bad, but Lundstram Just been better..

It will be unpopular to say that because he still seems to be the scape goat choice.

 

[Bladezz]

Though exactly same Lundstram looked much better than Fleck today.

Fleck does make those central runs which stands out where he goes past a few. But he leaves all the building play and retaining possession to Lundstram.

Which is fine but then Fleck has to be there to add something such as the forward runs / goals / asssits he needs to do more of it.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I’ll get told I’m wrong but here goes.

Lundstram was better than Fleck last night.

Your point is valid though he does need to drive more.

I don’t think he played bad he did play well but Lundstram played better.

As there was little else to watch I spent a lot of time just watching Lundstram. He was tireless and always showing for the ball. His range of passing is fantastic.

I had people sat around me and I’ve read it on here too calling for Leonard to replace Lundstram last night despite most of them seeing nothing more than a YouTube video of him.

I think we are suffering a little because Fleck and Coutts have such a good understanding and that’s gone for this season. But I’m going to stick my neck out and say Lundstram has been better than Fleck for a few weeks now and if anyone should make way for a new comer it should be Fleck. And as I’ve said above I don’t think Fleck has been bad, but Lundstram Just been better..

It will be unpopular to say that because he still seems to be the scape goat choice.

Lundstram played well last night,but he wasn't better than Fleck

 

[Snowman]

Was thinking exactly the same. There was one "drive" at goal from Fleck and maybe one second half probably from Duffy and that was it. A Nathan Thomas type might have provided it. We are presently looking slow paced and one dimensional. And another thing, put Billy on for the last 20 and we would have had a penalty.

 

[Snowman]

I’ll get told I’m wrong but here goes.

Lundstram was better than Fleck last night.

Your point is valid though he does need to drive more.

I don’t think he played bad he did play well but Lundstram played better.

As there was little else to watch I spent a lot of time just watching Lundstram. He was tireless and always showing for the ball. His range of passing is fantastic.

I had people sat around me and I’ve read it on here too calling for Leonard to replace Lundstram last night despite most of them seeing nothing more than a YouTube video of him.

I think we are suffering a little because Fleck and Coutts have such a good understanding and that’s gone for this season. But I’m going to stick my neck out and say Lundstram has been better than Fleck for a few weeks now and if anyone should make way for a new comer it should be Fleck. And as I’ve said above I don’t think Fleck has been bad, but Lundstram Just been better..

It will be unpopular to say that because he still seems to be the scape goat choice.

Its all about opinions and you have yours and I have mine. Lundstram is not a scapegoat, that's just an easy way of justifying to yourself the quite valid criticism he draws from quite a few people who see what I see. Showing for a pass in acres of space because you've decided to lurk in the easy spaces is counter productive in my view. He can have the highest completed passing stats in the world but if its all sideways or "to me to you" stuff then he isn't of use to a team which has hitherto relied on a quick conversion rate from defence to attack to unsettle the opposition. OH YES....... He can hit a lovely cross field ball, but at this level exactly what does that give us? He played one incisive ball all game which was a side of foot swerver inside a pig for Donaldson to run onto. I'm sorry but some people equate always "being there" to actually doing something and it really isn't the same thing.

 

[Grizzly blade]

I’ll get told I’m wrong but here goes.

Lundstram was better than Fleck last night.

Your point is valid though he does need to drive more.

I don’t think he played bad he did play well but Lundstram played better.

As there was little else to watch I spent a lot of time just watching Lundstram. He was tireless and always showing for the ball. His range of passing is fantastic.

I had people sat around me and I’ve read it on here too calling for Leonard to replace Lundstram last night despite most of them seeing nothing more than a YouTube video of him.

I think we are suffering a little because Fleck and Coutts have such a good understanding and that’s gone for this season. But I’m going to stick my neck out and say Lundstram has been better than Fleck for a few weeks now and if anyone should make way for a new comer it should be Fleck. And as I’ve said above I don’t think Fleck has been bad, but Lundstram Just been better..

It will be unpopular to say that because he still seems to be the scape goat choice.

Yep....you are wrong.
Totally different players, totally different roles.

Fleck can receive the ball tight, Lundstram can’t so much. Both can launch an accurate field to switch play. But Fleck shades it as he reads the play better and gets closer to opponents, and he has the ability to turn on a sixpence and drive clear of an opponent.
Lundstram did ok, but most of his balls were simple sideways passes.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Not enough pushing through the central area, hasn't been for ages.

The midfield will be unrecognisable soon.

Let's hope our new players can drive at defences and also be prepared to shoot from outside the penalty area.

Fleck can survive the new input but it's not a 'given'. Lundstram not for now.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Agree we a desperate for someone to run at opposition players at take them on.
We seem to be a team full of double back or pass sideways players.
Yesterday's match and the Bolton match highlighted this.
Not sure any of our new signings can do this either, and not sure Holmes can do this ( The Charlton fans don't think he's having a good season and has been found out).
I know people on here have said we don't play with wingers but sometimes it would be good to have that option to change the system especially at home.

Holmes 6 goals 8 assists this season.

 

[bartman]

Lundstram was better than Fleck last night.

I know it's all about opinions but I thought Lundstram was awful last night and one of the main reasons we were poor last night and recently.

Each time the ball goes to him momentum slows down. He rarely plays a significant ball forward or runs forward with the ball. With time on the ball he looks ok but he creates little. A bit of a show pony

Yesterday it was begging for him to make a runs towards players and beyond defenders but he stayed near the middle of the pitch not effecting the game. I rhoghy he bottled it last night

Hopefully Leonard will replace him at Norwich

 

[Espania blade]

Not enough pushing through the central area, hasn't been for ages.

The midfield will be unrecognisable soon.

Let's hope our new players can drive at defences and also be prepared to shoot from outside the penalty area.

Fleck can survive the new input but it's not a 'given'. Lundstram not for now.

As the above except Lundstram might be the only one of the midfield three to survive, quality player.

 

[robbiez666]

I like Lundstram but thought he wasn't great last night. Neither was Fleck. They both do different things though.

One of the downsides to the way we play is that Lundstram can't really drive forward as he drops to cover for the CBs. What we genuinely missed last night was Brooks running at them. Everything was slowly down the flanks. There was space in the middle to exploit but no one to exploit it. Neither Basham nor O'Connell went on runs. Fleck had a couple which caused panic. We needed more of that.

 

[Dnblade]

Fleck was our best midfielder for me,not that Lundstram played badly.
I would have liked to see Leonard on for him though at some point as the amount of times the ball dropped to the edge of the box with no Blade near it...I just thought if it dropped to Leonard...who you often see in that position for Southend.. maybe we could have got something...Lundstram did have the shot first half,and the mishit wide 2nd half to be fair.
I just thought neither team could get behind the defences,and it was going to be a 20 yard screamer to win it,and thanks to Moore that didn't happen...they were very deep and organised,it's hard to break down..even Man City struggle to break teams who park the bus.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Thought the issue was the width & lack of a good delivery from wide areas , wouldn’t critise either Fleck or Lunny and Fleck seemed to be the only one of our players willing to beat a man and attack ytterbium space .
Yeh I would agree though that we need someone who has an eye for goal from outside the box .

 

[davidblade]

Lundstram played well last night,but he wasn't better than Fleck

Agreed Lundstram a good player , win challenges passes the ball nicely but to often they’re to slow and very predictable, with Fleck he might pass but he also might run at you, his close control is superb. Best midfield player we’ve had since TC , perhaps withe exception of Glen Cockeril and Glyn Hodges.

 

[Tazzy]

Thought lunny sprayed some great balls around tonight and 99% found the player we just needed to get the ball in the area faster

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Lunny edged it - both him and Fleck were our better players. I agree Fleck needs to run at defenders more.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Holmes 6 goals 8 assists this season.

Only saying what i have read on Charlton's forum.
Maybe the goals and assists were earlier in the season and his form has dropped off.

 

[Blade56]

We seem to be a team full of double back or pass sideways players.
Yesterday's match and the Bolton match highlighted this.

One gripe I had with Wilders post match interview, he said we played the ball to quick at times, should have passed it more until we got the right shape. Problem with that approach is our build up takes so long teams have time to regroup everyone behind the ball. Is this parking the bus or taking advantage of our slow approach play?

 

[Broomhall Blade]

One gripe I had with Wilders post match interview, he said we played the ball to quick at times, should have passed it more until we got the right shape. Problem with that approach is our build up takes so long teams have time to regroup everyone behind the ball. Is this parking the bus or taking advantage of our slow approach play?

Exactly

 

[Woodwardfan]

Only saying what i have read on Charlton's forum.
Maybe the goals and assists were earlier in the season and his form has dropped off.

I think that's true actually.

I sense he's got a bit of 'spirit' about him. Perhaps he always wanted to come to us but liked London and maybe Charlton promised all kinds of improvements to the squad which never materialised. Whatever, it's a pity he didn't sign last summer.

All these new players will take some bedding in both individually and collectively.

 

[Iceybabey]

This is where Holmes and Wilson come in.

 

[skyjam]

This is where Holmes and Wilson come in.

lundstram is a fuckin lump end of
i could play better wi me trousers round me ankles

 

[GodricBlade]

This is where Holmes and Wilson come in.

I think you are spot on here pal.
Last night, Wilson didn't really 'do' much but I thought he looked like someone dangerous. He had a shot from outside the box (blocked), he made a couple of good runs into space (not picked out with the ball) & if Bell-Enda had got out of the flaming way, he would probably have tapped in the winner.
Not seen much of Holmes but he was there last night apparently and we need this sort of player to complement what we have already.
Pacey penetration - oooer Missus!!!

 

[Weasel]

Its all about opinions and you have yours and I have mine. Lundstram is not a scapegoat, that's just an easy way of justifying to yourself the quite valid criticism he draws from quite a few people who see what I see. Showing for a pass in acres of space because you've decided to lurk in the easy spaces is counter productive in my view. He can have the highest completed passing stats in the world but if its all sideways or "to me to you" stuff then he isn't of use to a team which has hitherto relied on a quick conversion rate from defence to attack to unsettle the opposition. OH YES....... He can hit a lovely cross field ball, but at this level exactly what does that give us? He played one incisive ball all game which was a side of foot swerver inside a pig for Donaldson to run onto. I'm sorry but some people equate always "being there" to actually doing something and it really isn't the same thing.

This for me. I don't mind Lundstram at all. He is a neat and tidy player who has come on fairly well since being in the team and his confidence has grown.

Don' have an issue with him being in the team but I have wondered if be would be better suited for away games when he can help retain possession for the team when the home team are pushing onto us.

At home though and especially as teams are starting to sit back and soak up our pressure and are challenging Utd to have the quality to break them down, I' not sure that Lundstram does enough. He's not done too many attacking balls or defence splitting passes nor does he run at defences in the final third. He' scored a couple of goals and that's a positive but yesterday his shooting was horrendous. In the positions he found himself in he show have been testing the keeper not the Kop.

He has a valuable role to play and I like the lad but I wouldn't be too upset if he was on the subs bench more at home. He helps us tick over but he needs to be more creative of he wants to stay in the side.

 

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