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Gone very quiet about Kieron’s knee,

Any news / rumours post the scan?

Presumably George back v Royals.
 



ucandomagic said:
Gone very quiet about Kieron’s knee,

Any news / rumours post the scan?

Presumably George back v Royals.
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Sky, last night, were reporting that it was a case of waiting until the swelling had gone down before assessing it accurately.
 
Don't know about Kieran's knee, but I have broken both mine (running falls) and was off work for 6 weeks and 8 weeks.
 
ucandomagic said:
Presumably George back v Royals.
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Think the last suggestion was that he’d be available for “Reading or Leeds”: http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...ades-receive-george-baldock-results-1-8788012

Given Wilder in the piece above cites the fact the injury likely came about because he wasn’t eased back in to the first team, I doubt he’ll be rushed in if he’s not near full fitness. Besides, Basham proved himself adequate in the role last Saturday. I can see him staying there for Reading to allow Baldock the extra time to recover, and Stearman returning to the defence in Basham’s place after his game at Burnley this week.
 
Danny04 said:
Full prognosis revealed tomorrow. Wilder’s happy, considering - Coutts was out for 11 months with the same injury and it’s nowhere near as bad as that.
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Are you telling us he'll want to start playing for the Blades as soon as possible!
 
Fingers crossed that the optimistic assumption turns out to be accurate. If Baldock gets 10 matches or so in, we would be in a position to judge how strong the competition between the 2 is. If not, we will be even more grateful for Basham, who is like an expert firefighter at the moment - whether the problem is at wing-back, centre-back, or midfield, he solves it with the minimum of fuss.
Incidentally, Danny04 , a criticism of one detail of your enjoyable article on Duffy's inspirational sprint back to win the ball (yesterday's Star): you said Basham was out-of-position. I think he was exactly where he was supposed to be - we were attacking down the left, and he was looking to be in position to attack the ball, same as when he scored. If Fleck's centre for the goal had not been perfect, Basham would not have been in a position to defend, but he would still have been where Wilder would want the wing-back to be. Freeman was 'out-of-position' most of last season. Fortunately these players cover for each other, as Duffy did so magnificently. Bash deserved no less.
 



HodgysBrokenThumb said:
Fingers crossed that the optimistic assumption turns out to be accurate. If Baldock gets 10 matches or so in, we would be in a position to judge how strong the competition between the 2 is. If not, we will be even more grateful for Basham, who is like an expert firefighter at the moment - whether the problem is at wing-back, centre-back, or midfield, he solves it with the minimum of fuss.
Incidentally, Danny04 , a criticism of one detail of your enjoyable article on Duffy's inspirational sprint back to win the ball (yesterday's Star): you said Basham was out-of-position. I think he was exactly where he was supposed to be - we were attacking down the left, and he was looking to be in position to attack the ball, same as when he scored. If Fleck's centre for the goal had not been perfect, Basham would not have been in a position to defend, but he would still have been where Wilder would want the wing-back to be. Freeman was 'out-of-position' most of last season. Fortunately these players cover for each other, as Duffy did so magnificently. Bash deserved no less.
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His position is right wing-back. They attacked down the left and he wasn’t there, so by definition he was out of position. It wasn’t a criticism, more to highlight the importance of Duffy’s tackle because there was no bugger else there to stop their man.
Freeman was out of position for almost the entirety of last season, you’re correct. The beauty of the system is that it allows him to be without (too much) punishment, but if he bombs forward and United lose the ball then he’s out of position :)
 
Could be back in 8 weeks. Not as bad as they thought
 
Danny04 said:
His position is right wing-back. They attacked down the left and he wasn’t there, so by definition he was out of position. It wasn’t a criticism, more to highlight the importance of Duffy’s tackle because there was no bugger else there to stop their man.
Freeman was out of position for almost the entirety of last season, you’re correct. The beauty of the system is that it allows him to be without (too much) punishment, but if he bombs forward and United lose the ball then he’s out of position :)
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The problem with the term 'out of position' is that it's often mistaken for 'badly positioned' and considered to be a critical description rather than a factual one.
 
If it's anything like me playing FIFA, we'll stick Nathan Thomas at right back this weekend and be all the better for it.

Panic over.
 
BushBlade said:
The problem with the term 'out of position' is that it's often mistaken for 'badly positioned' and considered to be a critical description rather than a factual one.
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Put it another way. Was he in position? :)
 
Danny04 said:
Put it another way. Was he in position? :)
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You tell me Danny. Where do you think a wing back should be when we're in possession of the ball in the opponents attacking third?

(Of course the answer may depend on whether you're a 'Mourinho' or a 'Guardiola').
 
Danny04 said:
Put it another way. Was he in position? :)
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Great times when the only disagreements are over what words mean! I think BushBlade is right, that 'out-of-position' usually carries a pejorative meaning. If the wing-back's job includes attacking on the right when the ball is on the left, then if the attack breaks down, he is not in the position a full-back should be in, but he is where a wing- back should be. The team are in the shit, but it's not his fault. He cannot be in 2 places at once, except in some branch of physics that I can't remember the name of.
One of the joys of Freeman last year was his sense of adventure. 1-0 up v Millwall at the Lane he popped up in the inside-left position, and I was just about to shout at him to get back when he scored. Now that was out-of-position. He lived up to his surname all season.
 
BushBlade said:
You tell me Danny. Where do you think a wing back should be when we're in possession of the ball in the opponents attacking third?

(Of course the answer may depend on whether you're a 'Mourinho' or a 'Guardiola').
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HodgysBrokenThumb said:
Great times when the only disagreements are over what words mean! I think BushBlade is right, that 'out-of-position' usually carries a pejorative meaning. If the wing-back's job includes attacking on the right when the ball is on the left, then if the attack breaks down, he is not in the position a full-back should be in, but he is where a wing- back should be. The team are in the shit, but it's not his fault. He cannot be in 2 places at once, except in some branch of physics that I can't remember the name of.
One of the joys of Freeman last year was his sense of adventure. 1-0 up v Millwall at the Lane he popped up in the inside-left position, and I was just about to shout at him to get back when he scored. Now that was out-of-position. He lived up to his surname all season.
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Both make fair points but I stand by it. If Basham was in position then Duffy wouldn’t have had to make the run. He did because Bash wasn’t there. He was right to not be there, of course, because he was playing wing-back. But the fact is, he wasn’t. No criticism from me, just a fact that amplified how important Duffy’s covering run was :D
Glad you liked it otherwise though, HodgysBrokenThumb. Really did sum Wilder and his approach up, for me.
 
Danny04 said:
Both make fair points but I stand by it. If Basham was in position then Duffy wouldn’t have had to make the run. He did because Bash wasn’t there. He was right to not be there, of course, because he was playing wing-back. But the fact is, he wasn’t. No criticism from me, just a fact that amplified how important Duffy’s covering run was :D
Glad you liked it otherwise though, HodgysBrokenThumb. Really did sum Wilder and his approach up, for me.
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Danny, it's not a criticism of your use of the term, it's standard shorthand for what would otherwise be a long and unwieldy sentence. I was just pointing out that sometimes people see it as being critical rather than descriptive.

If I can think of a better way of describing it, I'll let you know, you can have one on me, but don't hold your breath because finding something original to say about a subject that has been written about in depth for over 100 years is probably beyond the abilities of far better writers than me.
 



since1889 said:
Back on topic: can see him being out for a good chunk, but returning at the end of the season better than ever. Think Clarke's long layoff last season.
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I think he'll be back in January. If he isn't I expect us to bring a loan in, like Walker-Peters.
 
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