cheds op.

[Sheff de party]

Regardless of whether you support the lad or not, it is a poor bet you offered. He has just had an op on his ankle so allowing for healing, cardio, weight bearing training and match practice, he isn't likely to be back much before the New Year. For any second choice striker mainly coming on as sub or playing the odd game, 10 goals in half a season would be fantastic (equates to 20 goals in a full season).



The fact that Tunstall Fred didn't take your silly bet up, is no reflection of his faith in Ched.

As it happens, I think he will be back and get some game time in and I can see him getting 4 - 5 goals by the season's end.

Yeah I know it's not a reflection. I wasn't being sarcastic, I genuinely do think his faith is remarkable. Especially as it's based on one season at a lower level five years ago.

 

[I should coco]

I genuinely do think his faith is remarkable.

He's not alone.

Maybe wishful thinking comes into it too, but anyone seeing most of Ched's 2011/12 goals knows it wasn't just a run of good form. The old adage about form being temporary but class, permanent, springs to mind.

IMHO, Ched definitely has the skills and ability to get goals in the Championship. The jury is out (no pun intended) on whether he still has the fitness, drive and self belief to do it though.

 

[Sheff de party]

He's not alone.

Maybe wishful thinking comes into it too, but anyone seeing most of Ched's 2011/12 goals knows it wasn't just a run of good form. The old adage about form being temporary but class, permanent, springs to mind.

IMHO, Ched definitely has the skills and ability to get goals in the Championship. The jury is out (no pun intended) on whether he still has the fitness, drive and self belief to do it though.

Yeah it's certainly possible. I just think we should have used his place, fee and wages to get a surer thing (and a better bloke but that's by the by!).

 

[Westran]

I agree and disagree with both in equal measures:

a) The CPS should definitley have taken the case to prosecution, there was enough evidence at that time (we didn't have the benefit of new evidence at this point and they can only go on what they've got) and regardless of whether or not a rape has been reported, that doesn't mean a rape didn't occur. Also you only have to read the news nearly every day to see that as a society we have a problem with the sexual exploitation of woman from men in power, if you don't like this then it's likely you're part of the problem, imo.

b) In the end the justice system found Ched not guitly. You may not like what he did that night regardless of whether it was illegal or not, but I can guarantee you unsavoury practices like this are far more common than you think, not just in football. Most footballers aren't morally upstanding citizens, they're bored kids who get paid too much and can't go out in public without people worshipping the ground they walk on, it's a weird existence and some are bound to make bad decisions along the way. Even if he was found guilty and had served his time I would be of the opinion that he deserves the opportunity to be rehabilitated and has every right to go and do what he trained all those years to do, that's what the justice system is for. The fact that he was found not guilty to me makes it a big miscarriage of justice, no matter how unsavoury it was, the chap has had his life turned upside down for what in the end turned out to be something he hasn't done. Now he has to live with that forever, everyone who knows him, whether through his fame or personally will always judge him in a way me or you will never have to deal with and he shouldn't either. I feel terribly sorry for him if I'm honest.

Of course that's just my opinion though.

 

[I should coco]

I just think we should have used his place, fee and wages to get a surer thing (and a better bloke but that's by the by!).

As has been said on here many times, the money was nowhere near the £500k suggested by a Chesterfield director trying to keep their fans onside. I have no idea what his wages are, but I suspect that he will be one of the lowest paid senior pros at the club, but proabably with very healthy bonuses for games played.

The money aspect of the Ched deal really is a peanuts gamble and one I am very happy with.

 

[Willie Carlin]

I agree and disagree with both in equal measures:

a) The CPS should definitley have taken the case to prosecution, there was enough evidence at that time (we didn't have the benefit of new evidence at this point and they can only go on what they've got) and regardless of whether or not a rape has been reported, that doesn't mean a rape didn't occur. Also you only have to read the news nearly every day to see that as a society we have a problem with the sexual exploitation of woman from men in power, if you don't like this then it's likely you're part of the problem, imo.

b) In the end the justice system found Ched not guitly. You may not like what he did that night regardless of whether it was illegal or not, but I can guarantee you unsavoury practices like this are far more common than you think, not just in football. Most footballers aren't morally upstanding citizens, they're bored kids who get paid too much and can't go out in public without people worshipping the ground they walk on, it's a weird existence and some are bound to make bad decisions along the way. Even if he was found guilty and had served his time I would be of the opinion that he deserves the opportunity to be rehabilitated and has every right to go and do what he trained all those years to do, that's what the justice system is for. The fact that he was found not guilty to me makes it a big miscarriage of justice, no matter how unsavoury it was, the chap has had his life turned upside down for what in the end turned out to be something he hasn't done. Now he has to live with that forever, everyone who knows him, whether through his fame or personally will always judge him in a way me or you will never have to deal with and he shouldn't either. I feel terribly sorry for him if I'm honest.

Of course that's just my opinion though.

Exactly how I see it mate. Give the bloke a break I say. I know I’ll be hoping he gets a few goals when he’s fit.

 

[FMBlade1]

As has been said on here many times, the money was nowhere near the £500k suggested by a Chesterfield director trying to keep their fans onside. I have no idea what his wages are, but I suspect that he will be one of the lowest paid senior pros at the club, but proabably with very healthy bonuses for games played.

The money aspect of the Ched deal really is a peanuts gamble and one I am very happy with.

You could argue that he has already paid half of it off already with his match winning performance against Walsall taking us through to the next round to a televised game against Leicester in the league cup

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Have we invented time travel? Thought we’d done this to death for the last few years.

Here’s a thought let’s agree we have different views on this, and that’s fine, but for once we’re in a fantastic place as a club and anyone who’s been around for a while with United knows that may be fleeting. For once can forget our differences and spend some time enjoying what’s happening.

Let’s face it at some point in the future (not soon hopefully) things won’t be so good and we can all fall out to our hearts content again.

 

[Lil red rooster]

just got a sneaky feeling ched might save us a bob or two come the transfer window once fit.
I wouldn't write him off just yet and I don't think chris wilder will either.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Absolute bollocks

All you need to do is look up the two-stage test the CPS have to apply when bringing a prosecution to know that's how it works.
Absolute bollocks in your head, absolute reality in real life though.

 

[8lade]

No, I can't get involved in this again but I just hope that both Sheff de party and Pedro's Winger hold no position in life where their decisions affect anybody else.
FFS it was right to do it because a conviction was made, clearly neither of you bothered looking at the case but just relied on the claptrap from the media and the 'conviction'.

 

[silver blade]

I really really hope Ched comes back and starts to score a shed load of goals,just to upset you,and it will upset you,you will probably claim it devalues the victory if Ched is on the scoresheet

As long as he is wearing a Blades shirt & giving his best then I'm happy to pay to see him, if he scores a Ched load of goals that's even better

 

[Tunstall Fred]

All you need to do is look up the two-stage test the CPS have to apply when bringing a prosecution to know that's how it works.
Absolute bollocks in your head, absolute reality in real life though.

What was the result of this witch hunt by the CPS?,like I said Absolute bollocks,you're another clown who can't accept Ched is an innocent man

 

[Sheff de party]

No, I can't get involved in this again but I just hope that both Sheff de party and Pedro's Winger hold no position in life where their decisions affect anybody else.
FFS it was right to do it because a conviction was made, clearly neither of you bothered looking at the case but just relied on the claptrap from the media and the 'conviction'.

I've spent hours looking at that case. I'd be surprised if you know more about it than I do. I've said it many times before but here we go again - whether he's innocent or guilty doesn't matter to me, I've read what happened and I don't want him to play for us. It's really that simple for me.

Oh and I'm a journalist - does that count?

 

[Sheff de party]

What was the result of this witch hunt by the CPS?,like I said Absolute bollocks,you're another clown who can't accept Ched is an innocent man

If you think 2 guys admitting they had sex with someone and the girl saying she can't remember turning into a rape prosecution (which based on the evidence available at the time was 50% successful) is a witch hunt, you should either consider whether you believe in too many conspiracy theories or re-evaluate how you look at situations like this.

Regardless, it is the law and there is, thankfully, nothing you can do about it.

 

[BigBed]

Jesus, not this shit again, your fucking obsessed you lot!!!
Give it a fuckin rest!!!!

 

[andy m]

We've done Ched's morals to death so I won't go there, but was he even worth a small gamble? He was a gamble at 21 for £3m and it took the club to be in freefall for there to be one season where it looked even vaguely worth it. Overall, given where we ended up, it was a disastrous signing and a symptom of the Robson era.

We've now gambled on him again, much older and having barely played for five years. I can't see why anyone thinks it's a good signing and I can't believe anyone thinks he'll be worth £10m.

We have so much better at the club already. Several have already proved themselves.

It was Blackwell who signed him. if you are going to keep being so dull, please at least be factually correct. Thanks in advance.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

If you think 2 guys admitting they had sex with someone and the girl saying she can't remember turning into a rape prosecution (which based on the evidence available at the time was 50% successful) is a witch hunt, you should either consider whether you believe in too many conspiracy theories or re-evaluate how you look at situations like this.

Regardless, it is the law and there is, thankfully, nothing you can do about it.

And there is nothing you can do about the fact that he plays for us,journalist my bottom,Google lawyer that's you

 

[8lade]

Oh and I'm a journalist - does that count?

should I be at all surprised then that you haven't got a scooby of the difference between an analogy and a 'straw man'? If you really are a journalist once again you do your job no favours and you promulgate the hack image.

 

[Booker4]

I couldn't understand why there was 6 pages on Ched's op. I know why now! There's only our own fans debating this now! Not even that Jean Hatchet posts on this anymore! Lets get behind him!

 

[BLADES1988]

Christ! Someone burn this thread immediately!

Now that Jess Ennis..............

 

[LenTednTony]

It's not really that I want him to fail, i don't want him to play for us.

Far rather Sharp, Donaldson, Clarke and co bang the goals in. They're far more capable, having actually played in the last six years, and far better individuals.

Had he not been a ‘public figure’ he like as not, would not have been prosecuted. Does your feeling and condemnation also fall on those that are not public figures and yet may have carried out similar actions, or worse? If so, would you require them to cease supporting Sheff U? There are lots of us with, sadly, faulty moral compasses and yet, because we are not public figures, do not get condemned in such a way that we should be ostracised. You possibly know and work with some people of this ilk and yet, you either don’t know that they have been unfaithful (which is, in effect, all he is guilty of), or choose to tolerate their personal choices even if you do. I know lots of people that have been unfaithful, don’t you?

 

[Paqamaq]

I think you meant going up or staying down!

The Magic is Back

I think you meant getting it up and getting sent down.

 

[Sheff de party]

It was Blackwell who signed him. if you are going to keep being so dull, please at least be factually correct. Thanks in advance.

Wandering round correcting threads. Much more interesting.

 

[Sheff de party]

And there is nothing you can do about the fact that he plays for us,journalist my bottom,Google lawyer that's you

Yes you're correct. I lied about my profession. I am actually a google journalist.

 

[Tezza1889]

wondered why this was 6 pages ??

Hasn't everybody already expressed how they feel about this at least 50 billlion times already ? Can’t we just move on and be done with it, even the oppostion don’t care anymore about this and if you don’t want him to play for United then tough shit, because there’s a bloke on the touch line at the lane who says he does, and around 26:000 who back him 100% ..... leave it ffs..

 

[Sheff de party]

should I be at all surprised then that you haven't got a scooby of the difference between an analogy and a 'straw man'? If you really are a journalist once again you do your job no favours and you promulgate the hack image.

If I did indeed not know the difference, you should indeed be surprised. Thanks for checking though.

 

[Sheff de party]

Had he not been a ‘public figure’ he like as not, would not have been prosecuted. Does your feeling and condemnation also fall on those that are not public figures and yet may have carried out similar actions, or worse? If so, would you require them to cease supporting Sheff U? There are lots of us with, sadly, faulty moral compasses and yet, because we are not public figures, do not get condemned in such a way that we should be ostracised. You possibly know and work with some people of this ilk and yet, you either don’t know that they have been unfaithful (which is, in effect, all he is guilty of), or choose to tolerate their personal choices even if you do. I know lots of people that have been unfaithful, don’t you?

How can I possibly have an opinion if I don't know about it?

It's not that he was unfaithful that I have the problem, though it doesn't shower him in glory. It's that he had sex with a girl who can't remember.

We all have our limits. If that girl was underage, I highly doubt you would be saying "he'd served his sentence, let's back him."

 

[BigBed]

Please please, can Linz or Foxy lock this thread n start one that actually has some resemblance to it's title!?

 

[JohnDenver]

How can I possibly have an opinion if I don't know about it?

It's not that he was unfaithful that I have the problem, though it doesn't shower him in glory. It's that he had sex with a girl who can't remember.

We all have our limits. If that girl was underage, I highly doubt you would be saying "he'd served his sentence, let's back him."

We do have our limits, and I do think Ched’s behaviour was grim. But where that line falls is very hazy, both legally and morally, where drunken consent is concerned.

I’ve some sympathy for your position but I don’t share it. It’s just insufficiently black and white for me believe Ched should be ostracised on moral grounds alone.