cheds op.

[LSF]

For you to suggest that people who are happy to have Ched playing football for us condone his private life behaviour is absolute nonsense. He shouldn`t have been prosecuted in the first place, and then you would have known nothing about it. Maybe you think he should be transported to Australia, but I`m afraid it`s about 200 years too late for that.

Unfortunately Mr (moralising) De Party won't be happy until Ched has gone.
Such a puritanical chap....

 

[BigBed]

...............THE END.................

 

[Jan Age]

A fine point, well made.

Everyone has a limit for what they can tolerate from a footballer's private life, so "I don't care what he does" and "he got off so you should support him" holds no water whatsoever. If, for example, that girl was underage, no one would want him anywhere near Sheffield United.

To argue it's purely about football is a cop out. By being happy to have him at the Blades when that's what he did is to condone it. If that's someone's viewpoint, fair enough. But I've copped plenty of stick for saying that what he did to that girl, behind his girlfriend's back, is too much for me.

He'll be a failure anyway. We don't need him.

Everyone has their limit like you say.

Evans has been found not guilty of the original charge and had 2 1/2 years of his life taken away. Therefore I will cut him some slack (although I take your point about cheating)

I completely agree with agree with your other point in that the 'as long as they play good football' brigade use that as a cop out. I mean by that logic you would accept anyone playing for the Blades. It made my skin crawl every time I heard or read Marlon Kings name mentioned with the Blades.

 

[BushBlade]

Everyone has their limit like you say.

Evans has been found not guilty of the original charge and had 2 1/2 years of his life taken away. Therefore I will cut him some slack (although I take your point about cheating)

I completely agree with agree with your other point in that the 'as long as they play good football' brigade use that as a cop out. I mean by that logic you would accept anyone playing for the Blades. It made my skin crawl every time I heard or read Marlon Kings name mentioned with the Blades.

I refused to go whilst King was playing for us. Not a great loss for the Blades as I'm a part timer. But most people have a line, even if they don't admit it. Evans' behaviour was shabby but he's certainly paid a heavy price. I generally believe most people deserve a second chance so I'll accept him as one of our players and hope he regains form.

 

[Sheff de party]

Even with Ched's conviction overturned and a not guilty verdict, I think what you guys have said about Ched's morals is right. They are (or were) questionable.

BUT, do we really have to keep going on and on about it? Our name was dragged through the mud when we hadn't really done anything wrong, do we have to keep doing this to ourselves? There are lots of players out there with questionable morals, most footballers are kids who haven't had the chance to mature properly and have ridiculous amounts of money that will attract attention. You don't select the team, you don't know the guys personally and frankly, if you're willing to make judgements and statements about a person and disregard the justice system, the need for rehabilitation and the fact that someone can change and become a better person, then your own morals aren't really in that good a shape.

I take your point. But I don't care if he changes. I don't think he'll do it again anyway. I just don't want him to play for us because of what he did.

I'm not disregarding the justice system, I know the facts and whether it's rape or not, he falls below the standards we should expect in my view. In short, he's been proven innocent a

In his last season playing for us he missed the first six weeks through injury, and the last month to the courts. In the time he did play he scored 35 goals. He had strength, pace, two good feet, could head well, make good runs, and pass well to link up play, and show a high standard of finishing. He looked far more than "vaguely worth it". Hence , yes, he was worth "a small gamble". If he makes a good recovery from his ankle operation, then hopefully, you might be pleasantly surprised .

You missed 3 key words.

In League One.

 

[Sheff de party]

For you to suggest that people who are happy to have Ched playing football for us condone his private life behaviour is absolute nonsense. He shouldn`t have been prosecuted in the first place, and then you would have known nothing about it. Maybe you think he should be transported to Australia, but I`m afraid it`s about 200 years too late for that.

He was prosecuted because it was in the public interest and there was a realistic prospect of conviction. As he was convicted, so that shows he should have been prosecuted because of the afore-mentioned, whether you agree with the verdict or not.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

I take your point. But I don't care if he changes. I don't think he'll do it again anyway. I just don't want him to play for us because of what he did.

I'm not disregarding the justice system, I know the facts and whether it's rape or not, he falls below the standards we should expect in my view. In short, he's been proven innocent a


You missed 3 key words.

In League One.

Indeed. However, such was his quality I`m sure it could be, to a large extent, replicated in a higher league. We have seen similar so far this season in the way many players have coped with the new division.

 

[Sheff de party]

'He'll be a failure anyway'.

And so the old Sheffield United mentality rises to the surface again. So much for the 'In Wilder We Trust'.

Chris'll be shouting across his office right now 'Anyone got that Everton telephone number.'

I don't really know which mentality you mean, but I just call it as I see it. I think it's a mistake by Wilder to bring him back. He's a very good manager and brought the best times for years. I'd tell him so. But it doesn't mean all decisions are beyond at least discussion, if not dissent. I think it's a mistake and I'd tell him that too.

I mean really? He hasn't played for years and he's had one good season. I'd love to know why you're so convinced he'll be good, when all of the evidence points to the contrary.

 

[Sheff de party]

Indeed. However, such was his quality I`m sure it could be, to a large extent, replicated in a higher league. We have seen similar so far this season in the way many players have coped with the new division.

To be fair, that is true. They have a lot more football behind them from the last six years, but many of them have less natural ability than him. And he's the best pound for pound player I've ever seen play for us.

I still think he'll struggle though, but we will no doubt see.

 

[Revolution]

He'll be fine. Just needs another pre-season.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

He was prosecuted because it was in the public interest and there was a realistic prospect of conviction. As he was convicted, so that shows he should have been prosecuted because of the afore-mentioned, whether you agree with the verdict or not.

So it is in the public interest to prosecute someone for rape when there has been no complaint of rape ?

 

[Pedro's Winger]

So it is in the public interest to prosecute someone for rape when there has been no complaint of rape ?

Yes, it was clearly in the public interest as the evidence indicated there was a realistic possibility that someone could be convicted of rape.
The CPS don't take decisions like that lightly and they have to pass the evidential and public interest test each and every time.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Yes, it was clearly in the public interest as the evidence indicated there was a realistic possibility that someone could be convicted of rape.
The CPS don't take decisions like that lightly and they have to pass the evidential and public interest test each and every time.

Absolute bollocks

 

[Sheff de party]

So it is in the public interest to prosecute someone for rape when there has been no complaint of rape ?

Yes! Can't believe you even have to ask. If someone was going round drugging women and wearing a condom, they might not even know they were raped. It's the same as if people are to ashamed to report it al- if there's a suspicion that theres a rapist out there, of course it's in the public interest.

I imagine a lot of the time there's no complaint of murder since the victim is dead. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be prosecuted does it?

What an odd question.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Yes! Can't believe you even have to ask. If someone was going round drugging women and wearing a condom, they might not even know they were raped. It's the same as if people are to ashamed to report it al- if there's a suspicion that theres a rapist out there, of course it's in the public interest.

I imagine a lot of the time there's no complaint of murder since the victim is dead. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be prosecuted does it?

What an odd question.

What an odd person you are,hoping and praying a Sheffield United player is a failure in fact absolutely desperate for him to fail,despite you being a Sheffield United supporter

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Yes! Can't believe you even have to ask. If someone was going round drugging women and wearing a condom, they might not even know they were raped. It's the same as if people are to ashamed to report it al- if there's a suspicion that theres a rapist out there, of course it's in the public interest.

I imagine a lot of the time there's no complaint of murder since the victim is dead. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be prosecuted does it?

What an odd question.

I haven`t made a complaint about being burgled, but someone walked past my house today .So in your book that person should be arrested and charged with burglary because it is in the public interest ? Anyway, I have now finished discussing your persecution of an innocent man. I just hope he recovers well from his operation and scores loads of goals for the Blades, although no doubt that would seriously piss you off.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Two sensible points from Ched sceptics.

Maybe a few others could just hold their vitriol until the end of the season and actually see what he achieves on the pitch?

Seems to be big mates with Clarke and Clarke is doing more than I expected so well worth the gamble.

 

[Balham]

I haven`t made a complaint about being burgled, but someone walked past my house today .So in your book that person should be arrested and charged with burglary because it is in the public interest ? .

With all due respect, that's a terrible analogy.

 

[Sheff de party]

I haven`t made a complaint about being burgled, but someone walked past my house today .So in your book that person should be arrested and charged with burglary because it is in the public interest ? Anyway, I have now finished discussing your persecution of an innocent man. I just hope he recovers well from his operation and scores loads of goals for the Blades, although no doubt that would seriously piss you off.

A superbly straw man argument.

Walking past a house, physically impossible to burgle it, versus someone who admits having sex with someone who testified she can't remember.

I'm glad you're done, because I'm far too confused

He won't score loads of goals. I'll bet you he doesn't reach double figures!

 

[Sheff de party]

What an odd person you are,hoping and praying a Sheffield United player is a failure in fact absolutely desperate for him to fail,despite you being a Sheffield United supporter

It's not really that I want him to fail, i don't want him to play for us.

Far rather Sharp, Donaldson, Clarke and co bang the goals in. They're far more capable, having actually played in the last six years, and far better individuals.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

It's not really that I want him to fail, i don't want him to play for us.

Far rather Sharp, Donaldson, Clarke and co bang the goals in. They're far more capable, having actually played in the last six years, and far better individuals.

I really really hope Ched comes back and starts to score a shed load of goals,just to upset you,and it will upset you,you will probably claim it devalues the victory if Ched is on the scoresheet

 

[Norderner]

I really really hope Ched comes back and starts to score a shed load of goals,just to upset you,and it will upset you,you will probably claim it devalues the victory if Ched is on the scoresheet

The man was proven innocent, yet we still get these kind of replies. Baffles me no end.

 

[Sheff de party]

I really really hope Ched comes back and starts to score a shed load of goals,just to upset you,and it will upset you,you will probably claim it devalues the victory if Ched is on the scoresheet

It will devalue the victory if he's on the scoresheet, I would have thought that was obvious.

I'll bet you £10 he doesn't hit double figures this season and I'll give you 2/1.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

It will devalue the victory if he's on the scoresheet, I would have thought that was obvious.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

With all due respect, that's a terrible analogy.

Correct. Must do better.

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

I really really hope Ched comes back and starts to score a shed load of goals,just to upset you,and it will upset you,you will probably claim it devalues the victory if Ched is on the scoresheet

As I was sat watching the game today was thinking how if we can get a fully fit Ched back to anything like his former self he would run riot in this current United team. All the great build up player, just at times lacking a bit of thrust up top. For me, out of all the strikers we have, Ched at his best is better than all the other forwards at the club.

Not had internet connection for over a week and have been itching to make the point about Ched and Wilder's comments over the last few days (apologies if the point has been covered already in this thread) ... all those when he signed up again in May, who were jumping up and down about Ched being a bad egg and would upset the dressing room, that has been proven to be absolute bollocks. It's obvious with regards to Ched that some so-called Blades fans have got a completely different agenda, thankfully the vast majority only want him to do well again for the club!

 

[Tunstall Fred]

It will devalue the victory if he's on the scoresheet, I would have thought that was obvious.

I'll bet you £10 he doesn't hit double figures this season and I'll give you 2/1.

Point proven,shove your bet where the sun doesn't shine,I have nothing but contempt

It will devalue the victory if he's on the scoresheet, I would have thought that was obvious.

I'll bet you £10 he doesn't hit double figures this season and I'll give you 2/1.

Yes it will devalue the victory if Ched scores the only goal of the game against Wednesday in the return at the Lane,obviously

 

[Fanny magnet]

Does anyone on a football forum really have an agenda ?

 

[Sheff de party]

Point proven,shove your bet where the sun doesn't shine,I have nothing but contempt


Yes it will devalue the victory if Ched scores the only goal of the game against Wednesday in the return at the Lane,obviously

Haha. Made my day that one. The sun doesn't shine in Doncaster much - that count?

I'm impressed with your faith in a man who's barely kicked a ball since 2012, I'll give you that.

Less impressed with your tolerance of opinions mind, but I'll live.

 

[I should coco]

'll bet you £10 he doesn't hit double figures this season and I'll give you 2/1

Regardless of whether you support the lad or not, it is a poor bet you offered. He has just had an op on his ankle so allowing for healing, cardio, weight bearing training and match practice, he isn't likely to be back much before the New Year. For any second choice striker mainly coming on as sub or playing the odd game, 10 goals in half a season would be fantastic (equates to 20 goals in a full season).

I'm impressed with your faith in a man who's barely kicked a ball since 2012, I'll give you that.

The fact that Tunstall Fred didn't take your silly bet up, is no reflection of his faith in Ched.

As it happens, I think he will be back and get some game time in and I can see him getting 4 - 5 goals by the season's end.