cheds op.

[Bladesthorpe]

Going down?

29 points still needed, lets not get ahead of ourselves like the deluded ones.

 

[ourbob]

One half of the proclaimers and one half of Right said Fred pleased to be photoed with him.
Comeback assured.

will pass on the comment.

 

[TomHeffernan]

Will Ched ever score again for us is the real question. I think he may move out on loan in January, maybe permanent to allow room for better strikers to come in.

I don't believe in fairy tales.

You don't believe in fairy tales? What? Even after the past 14 months? We're the mighty blades. Anything can happen!

 

[BigBed]

No I don't like Ched Evans. Nor do I think we should have signed him. Perhaps you do - fine. If only there were a platform for people with differing opinions to share them...

Weird though innit. I was critical of the club when we were rubbish and I'm not critical now we're doing well. Seems odd, doesn't it?

I like Ched, so there.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I like Ched, so there.

To be honest, I don't know any of the current crop of players and therefore I neither like them or dislike them. My only interest in them is watching them play football, which I enjoy a lot. I don't fall in love with them, or make hero's out of them. I probably did that when I was a young impressionable child, but some of us grow up and don't attach feelings of hero worship to footballers. They may be the nicest guys in the world or the biggest scum bags. I just couldn't care less. I just want to watch my team playing good entertaining football and getting some results. I wouldn't treat them any different to any other person if I met them in public.

As for Ched Evans...again my only interest in him is in his football. I think, at his peak, he was one of the best centre forwards I've ever seen in a United shirt. So, having got him for next to nothing, knowing that it's a gamble because he's been out of the game for so long, I'm absolutely fine with that. Nothing to lose as far as I'm concerned. If he doesn't make it - hey-ho! So what? It's not like we've spent £10M on him is it? But if he does recapture his old form he could be worth £10M in the future. So, no issue with that at all.

Of course, we still have some folks who want to object to Evans on what they see as "moral" grounds. They cannot accept that the guy was not guilty of the crime for which he was punished. Worse than that, they cannot bring themselves to allow a fellow human being to get a second chance in life. They have to pretend now that their objection is "football based" - but really they don't like him because of what he got up to and they can't cope with that. That's fine - but it's not a reason why he shouldn't be at this football club.

 

[LSF]

To be honest, I don't know any of the current crop of players and therefore I neither like them or dislike them. My only interest in them is watching them play football, which I enjoy a lot. I don't fall in love with them, or make hero's out of them. I probably did that when I was a young impressionable child, but some of us grow up and don't attach feelings of hero worship to footballers. They may be the nicest guys in the world or the biggest scum bags. I just couldn't care less. I just want to watch my team playing good entertaining football and getting some results. I wouldn't treat them any different to any other person if I met them in public.

As for Ched Evans...again my only interest in him is in his football. I think, at his peak, he was one of the best centre forwards I've ever seen in a United shirt. So, having got him for next to nothing, knowing that it's a gamble because he's been out of the game for so long, I'm absolutely fine with that. Nothing to lose as far as I'm concerned. If he doesn't make it - hey-ho! So what? It's not like we've spent £10M on him is it? But if he does recapture his old form he could be worth £10M in the future. So, no issue with that at all.

Of course, we still have some folks who want to object to Evans on what they see as "moral" grounds. They cannot accept that the guy was not guilty of the crime for which he was punished. Worse than that, they cannot bring themselves to allow a fellow human being to get a second chance in life. They have to pretend now that their objection is "football based" - but really they don't like him because of what he got up to and they can't cope with that. That's fine - but it's not a reason why he shouldn't be at this football club.

Absolutely nailed it there Cerebus !

 

[Jan Age]

To be honest, I don't know any of the current crop of players and therefore I neither like them or dislike them. My only interest in them is watching them play football, which I enjoy a lot. I don't fall in love with them, or make hero's out of them. I probably did that when I was a young impressionable child, but some of us grow up and don't attach feelings of hero worship to footballers. They may be the nicest guys in the world or the biggest scum bags. I just couldn't care less. I just want to watch my team playing good entertaining football and getting some results. I wouldn't treat them any different to any other person if I met them in public.

As for Ched Evans...again my only interest in him is in his football. I think, at his peak, he was one of the best centre forwards I've ever seen in a United shirt. So, having got him for next to nothing, knowing that it's a gamble because he's been out of the game for so long, I'm absolutely fine with that. Nothing to lose as far as I'm concerned. If he doesn't make it - hey-ho! So what? It's not like we've spent £10M on him is it? But if he does recapture his old form he could be worth £10M in the future. So, no issue with that at all.

Of course, we still have some folks who want to object to Evans on what they see as "moral" grounds. They cannot accept that the guy was not guilty of the crime for which he was punished. Worse than that, they cannot bring themselves to allow a fellow human being to get a second chance in life. They have to pretend now that their objection is "football based" - but really they don't like him because of what he got up to and they can't cope with that. That's fine - but it's not a reason why he shouldn't be at this football club.

Whilst I understand your point I don't fully agree either.

I wouldn't want footballers with serious questionable backgrounds playing for our club. I mean I don't need to know any 'scumbags' such as wife beaters, paedophiles, hit and run or abusers personally to know I wouldn't want them playing for the Blades no matter how good they are.

 

[Sheff de party]

To be honest, I don't know any of the current crop of players and therefore I neither like them or dislike them. My only interest in them is watching them play football, which I enjoy a lot. I don't fall in love with them, or make hero's out of them. I probably did that when I was a young impressionable child, but some of us grow up and don't attach feelings of hero worship to footballers. They may be the nicest guys in the world or the biggest scum bags. I just couldn't care less. I just want to watch my team playing good entertaining football and getting some results. I wouldn't treat them any different to any other person if I met them in public.

As for Ched Evans...again my only interest in him is in his football. I think, at his peak, he was one of the best centre forwards I've ever seen in a United shirt. So, having got him for next to nothing, knowing that it's a gamble because he's been out of the game for so long, I'm absolutely fine with that. Nothing to lose as far as I'm concerned. If he doesn't make it - hey-ho! So what? It's not like we've spent £10M on him is it? But if he does recapture his old form he could be worth £10M in the future. So, no issue with that at all.

Of course, we still have some folks who want to object to Evans on what they see as "moral" grounds. They cannot accept that the guy was not guilty of the crime for which he was punished. Worse than that, they cannot bring themselves to allow a fellow human being to get a second chance in life. They have to pretend now that their objection is "football based" - but really they don't like him because of what he got up to and they can't cope with that. That's fine - but it's not a reason why he shouldn't be at this football club.

We've done Ched's morals to death so I won't go there, but was he even worth a small gamble? He was a gamble at 21 for £3m and it took the club to be in freefall for there to be one season where it looked even vaguely worth it. Overall, given where we ended up, it was a disastrous signing and a symptom of the Robson era.

We've now gambled on him again, much older and having barely played for five years. I can't see why anyone thinks it's a good signing and I can't believe anyone thinks he'll be worth £10m.

We have so much better at the club already. Several have already proved themselves.

 

[BigBed]

I still like Ched, so there!

 

[Sheff de party]

Whilst I understand your point I don't fully agree either.

I wouldn't want footballers with serious questionable backgrounds playing for our club. I mean I don't need to know any 'scumbags' such as wife beaters, paedophiles, hit and run or abusers personally to know I wouldn't want them playing for the Blades no matter how good they are.

A fine point, well made.

Everyone has a limit for what they can tolerate from a footballer's private life, so "I don't care what he does" and "he got off so you should support him" holds no water whatsoever. If, for example, that girl was underage, no one would want him anywhere near Sheffield United.

To argue it's purely about football is a cop out. By being happy to have him at the Blades when that's what he did is to condone it. If that's someone's viewpoint, fair enough. But I've copped plenty of stick for saying that what he did to that girl, behind his girlfriend's back, is too much for me.

He'll be a failure anyway. We don't need him.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

To be honest, I don't know any of the current crop of players and therefore I neither like them or dislike them. My only interest in them is watching them play football, which I enjoy a lot. I don't fall in love with them, or make hero's out of them. I probably did that when I was a young impressionable child, but some of us grow up and don't attach feelings of hero worship to footballers. They may be the nicest guys in the world or the biggest scum bags. I just couldn't care less. I just want to watch my team playing good entertaining football and getting some results. I wouldn't treat them any different to any other person if I met them in public.

As for Ched Evans...again my only interest in him is in his football. I think, at his peak, he was one of the best centre forwards I've ever seen in a United shirt. So, having got him for next to nothing, knowing that it's a gamble because he's been out of the game for so long, I'm absolutely fine with that. Nothing to lose as far as I'm concerned. If he doesn't make it - hey-ho! So what? It's not like we've spent £10M on him is it? But if he does recapture his old form he could be worth £10M in the future. So, no issue with that at all.

Of course, we still have some folks who want to object to Evans on what they see as "moral" grounds. They cannot accept that the guy was not guilty of the crime for which he was punished. Worse than that, they cannot bring themselves to allow a fellow human being to get a second chance in life. They have to pretend now that their objection is "football based" - but really they don't like him because of what he got up to and they can't cope with that. That's fine - but it's not a reason why he shouldn't be at this football club.

A very thoughtful post. I would view the question of personality/character slightly differently - professional sport is public performance, like stage, tv, film, etc. Fans like a personality, whether it's a player with a smile on his face, like my old hero Hodgy, or a pantomime villain like the Norwich keeper recently. We all have our preferences, but it is performance at the end of the day. As the old showbiz adage goes, 'The most important thing in this business is sincerity - once you've learnt to fake that, you're made'. Who knows what they are like in real life?

 

[8lade]

We've now gambled on him again, much older and having barely played for five years. I can't see why anyone thinks it's a good signing and I can't believe anyone thinks he'll be worth £10m.

The first time was a gamble - the majority of our budget on one player who'd shown good form over part of a season (with Norwich).
This time it isn't a gamble, a very minor part of the budget on a player we know can play well but if he doesn't it's not everything (like last time).

 

[Westran]

A fine point, well made.

Everyone has a limit for what they can tolerate from a footballer's private life, so "I don't care what he does" and "he got off so you should support him" holds no water whatsoever. If, for example, that girl was underage, no one would want him anywhere near Sheffield United.

To argue it's purely about football is a cop out. By being happy to have him at the Blades when that's what he did is to condone it. If that's someone's viewpoint, fair enough. But I've copped plenty of stick for saying that what he did to that girl, behind his girlfriend's back, is too much for me.

He'll be a failure anyway. We don't need him.

Even with Ched's conviction overturned and a not guilty verdict, I think what you guys have said about Ched's morals is right. They are (or were) questionable.

BUT, do we really have to keep going on and on about it? Our name was dragged through the mud when we hadn't really done anything wrong, do we have to keep doing this to ourselves? There are lots of players out there with questionable morals, most footballers are kids who haven't had the chance to mature properly and have ridiculous amounts of money that will attract attention. You don't select the team, you don't know the guys personally and frankly, if you're willing to make judgements and statements about a person and disregard the justice system, the need for rehabilitation and the fact that someone can change and become a better person, then your own morals aren't really in that good a shape.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

We've done Ched's morals to death so I won't go there, but was he even worth a small gamble? He was a gamble at 21 for £3m and it took the club to be in freefall for there to be one season where it looked even vaguely worth it. Overall, given where we ended up, it was a disastrous signing and a symptom of the Robson era.

We've now gambled on him again, much older and having barely played for five years. I can't see why anyone thinks it's a good signing and I can't believe anyone thinks he'll be worth £10m.

We have so much better at the club already. Several have already proved themselves.

I personally didn’t think he was worth the gamble, but now he’s hear I hope he’s able to get to a level where he’s of use to us, which will hopefully be following a full recovery from his op. Unfortunately this argument will forever get dragged back to past debates because his most fervent supporters can’t accept that some criticism on purely footballing reasons is valid – it has to instead be because those critics have a grudge against him. I personally thought he would struggle as his fitness (and goalscoring) record at Chesterfield was a concern. Others thought he would deliver early on and just needed a preseason to get fit – I think that’s already proven to have been unrealistically positive.

A salvaged season for Evans for me is for him to take any chances to impress that arise from the bench, while maintaining fitness and sharpness for the majority of the period from his return from injury to May. He might have to accelerate that to impressing before January though, because if Wilder is still keen to bring two more strikers in I’m not sure opportunities will present themselves as readily as they have done to date.

For the purposes of the above if this is quoted on a future thread later this season, “take any chances” has to involve more than just looking bright off the bench, or getting stuck in, or pressing the defenders. If those were the only requirements we were looking for in this role, we might as well have kept Done on the books.

 

[Esablade]

The only issue’s I have with Ched are footballing one’s.
Could the money we allegedly spent on purchase/wages have been better spent elsewhere?

I’ll wait till the end of the season before passing judgment on that one.

 

[I should coco]

I personally didn’t think he was worth the gamble, but now he’s hear I hope he’s able to get to a level where he’s of use to us,

I’ll wait till the end of the season before passing judgment on that one.

Two sensible points from Ched sceptics.

Maybe a few others could just hold their vitriol until the end of the season and actually see what he achieves on the pitch?

 

[bladesmanluke]

Two sensible points from Ched sceptics.

Maybe a few others could just hold their vitriol until the end of the season and actually see what he achieves on the pitch?

Some people, myself included were on Clarke’s back this time last year. Then he sent us up.

 

[I should coco]

Some people, myself included were on Clarke’s back this time last year

I wasn't on his back but I thought it a poor signing. A 17 club journeyman who spent most of the first few months out injured, made me think he was just here to pick up a wage.

Came good big style though and has continued that into this season. Hat's off to Leon and it's another reason why the anti-Cheds should just keep their powder dry.

 

[Esablade]

Two sensible points from Ched sceptics.

Maybe a few others could just hold their vitriol until the end of the season and actually see what he achieves on the pitch?

Not sure I was a sceptic when we signed him.

I was hoping he wasn’t injured and we’d get him up to speed pre-season.(and that he wasn’t playing for Chezzie for some ‘contractual bollocks’ or summat...hey-ho.)

Seeing his few appearances ( from that first friendly abroad on’t t’internet) you could see something wasn’t right, Hopefully it’s just this physical injury which has now been sorted so he can get back and play part later in the season.

If he does that I think I’ve seen enough in the glimpses of him to confidently predict he’ll be a good asset for the club.

 

[Esablade]

A 17 club journeyman

Well, he was a ‘17 club journeyman’ who’d just banged in 18 goals in 37 appearances for Bury the season before

 

[Grappler]

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If Roy can make a comeback then Ched can

Some definite 70's haircuts in there, for a 1980 annual

 

[ourbob]

I'm sure I put this post up about Cheds op.

Drifting somewhat.

 

[bornablade]

A fine point, well made.

Everyone has a limit for what they can tolerate from a footballer's private life, so "I don't care what he does" and "he got off so you should support him" holds no water whatsoever. If, for example, that girl was underage, no one would want him anywhere near Sheffield United.

To argue it's purely about football is a cop out. By being happy to have him at the Blades when that's what he did is to condone it. If that's someone's viewpoint, fair enough. But I've copped plenty of stick for saying that what he did to that girl, behind his girlfriend's back, is too much for me.

He'll be a failure anyway. We don't need him.

'He'll be a failure anyway'.

And so the old Sheffield United mentality rises to the surface again. So much for the 'In Wilder We Trust'.

Chris'll be shouting across his office right now 'Anyone got that Everton telephone number.'

 

[BigBed]

Why does any thread with Ched in it revert back to past issues that have absolutely FUCK ALL to do with the here and now!?
Fucks sake, some of you really need to pull your heads out of your arses and clean the shit out from between your ears, it's now 2017, the Blades are finally back on track, our club is on the up and folk are whining n moaning and causing issues, when none exist, let it go, it's only the narrow minded few that have issues now, and it's surprising as it didn't and doesn't involve them personally at all.
Can everyone drop the past, were looking to the future now, as I'm sure Ched tries to do every day, until fools rake shit up again.
Don't you all think, that if Ched was in a better place, not having the past raked up n kicked in his face everyday, which I'm sure affects all aspects of his life, that he might just be a better player for it!!??
Leave the man alone n we might get the Ched we had back!

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Why does any thread with Ched in it revert back to past issues that have absolutely FUCK ALL to do with the here and now!?

I thought the thread had moved back to purely footballing matters...well, till you lassoed it back to the other subject with that post.

Back to topic, Wilder in his interview said that it’s a 4-6 week recovery from his injury till he’s allowed to do any work on the training pitch, and that it’ll then take time to get back to full match fitness. I’m going to predict he returns to the bench for the Millwall game, and will then have a good opportunity to prove himself before any new recruits might arrive when the transfer window reopens.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

We've done Ched's morals to death so I won't go there, but was he even worth a small gamble? He was a gamble at 21 for £3m and it took the club to be in freefall for there to be one season where it looked even vaguely worth it. Overall, given where we ended up, it was a disastrous signing and a symptom of the Robson era.

We've now gambled on him again, much older and having barely played for five years. I can't see why anyone thinks it's a good signing and I can't believe anyone thinks he'll be worth £10m.

We have so much better at the club already. Several have already proved themselves.

In his last season playing for us he missed the first six weeks through injury, and the last month to the courts. In the time he did play he scored 35 goals. He had strength, pace, two good feet, could head well, make good runs, and pass well to link up play, and show a high standard of finishing. He looked far more than "vaguely worth it". Hence , yes, he was worth "a small gamble". If he makes a good recovery from his ankle operation, then hopefully, you might be pleasantly surprised .

 

[Tunstall Fred]

We've done Ched's morals to death so I won't go there, but was he even worth a small gamble? He was a gamble at 21 for £3m and it took the club to be in freefall for there to be one season where it looked even vaguely worth it. Overall, given where we ended up, it was a disastrous signing and a symptom of the Robson era.

We've now gambled on him again, much older and having barely played for five years. I can't see why anyone thinks it's a good signing and I can't believe anyone thinks he'll be worth £10m.

We have so much better at the club already. Several have already proved themselves.

Yet again you are on Cheds case,give it a rest.

Bet you were in your element week last saturday after we played well and lost at Forest,that is preferable to winning or drawing ugly in your book is it not?

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

A fine point, well made.

Everyone has a limit for what they can tolerate from a footballer's private life, so "I don't care what he does" and "he got off so you should support him" holds no water whatsoever. If, for example, that girl was underage, no one would want him anywhere near Sheffield United.

To argue it's purely about football is a cop out. By being happy to have him at the Blades when that's what he did is to condone it. If that's someone's viewpoint, fair enough. But I've copped plenty of stick for saying that what he did to that girl, behind his girlfriend's back, is too much for me.

He'll be a failure anyway. We don't need him.

For you to suggest that people who are happy to have Ched playing football for us condone his private life behaviour is absolute nonsense. He shouldn`t have been prosecuted in the first place, and then you would have known nothing about it. Maybe you think he should be transported to Australia, but I`m afraid it`s about 200 years too late for that.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

I wasn't on his back but I thought it a poor signing. A 17 club journeyman who spent most of the first few months out injured, made me think he was just here to pick up a wage.

Came good big style though and has continued that into this season. Hat's off to Leon and it's another reason why the anti-Cheds should just keep their powder dry.

Seeing how CW and AK improve players so much, I think we need to keep our powder dry whoever they sign.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

If the op means he can get himself into positions where he can get a clean strike on the ball (best in the team) he could be the difference between us staying up and going up this year.

Corrected that for you