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24 minutes and 40 seconds, this is how long the ball was in play for in the second half on Saturday! Meaning (If you include the 6 minutes added time) 27 minutes of time wasting.

I suppose you can't blame Norwich, they had their plan and stuck to it very well. I for one however am so glad I don't have to watch that week in week out, against a newly promoted side with a fraction of their budget.

I read that in a recent game featuring West Brom the ball was in play for little over 40 minutes during the whole game! Surely the officials needs to crack down on this as it's creeping into the game more and more often now and ruining the spectacle.

First post this by the way so be kind.
 



To be fair most teams do it to varying degrees when defending a one goal lead, particularly away from home. It's fine when it's your team benefiting but very annoying when you're on the receiving end. The referee was far too weak, Gunn started wasting time after 30 mins and should have been booked.
 
The idea of fixed 30 minute halves actually has some merit. Time is only counted when the ball is in play. For example, the NHL and NFL have 1 hour games that last up to 3 hours because the clock stops at the whistle and doesn't restart until the next whistle. It would take some getting used to but I'd guess the most games would run 85-95 minutes so the fans get the same amount of time and likely better value. There's no benefit to timewasting.
 
Given the mass of questionable data that is collected, published and punditted on these days this stat would actually be a useful thing to publish. Over the course of a season it would start to give a clear picture of the teams that time waste to excess and those that don't. You could track the stats across managers over time as they change clubs to give clear evidence of the cheating bastards as well.
 
Given the mass of questionable data that is collected, published and punditted on these days this stat would actually be a useful thing to publish. Over the course of a season it would start to give a clear picture of the teams that time waste to excess and those that don't. You could track the stats across managers over time as they change clubs to give clear evidence of the cheating bastards as well.

Great idea. Should give the 4th official this task as he's got fuck all else to do all game.
 
I can recall a game played around Easter time,Forest fighting relegation,under the management of evil Billy Davies,started time wasting at 3pm,the kick had to be taken twice,this set the template for the next 90 minutes,just like Saturday,a weak referee allowed them to get away with it,
 
I read that in a recent game featuring West Brom the ball was in play for little over 40 minutes during the whole game!

That's what happens when clubs employ twats like Pulis and Megson. They're only interested in getting to 40 points so they can inflict another season of misery and boredom on their fans.
 
The idea of fixed 30 minute halves actually has some merit. Time is only counted when the ball is in play. For example, the NHL and NFL have 1 hour games that last up to 3 hours because the clock stops at the whistle and doesn't restart until the next whistle. It would take some getting used to but I'd guess the most games would run 85-95 minutes so the fans get the same amount of time and likely better value. There's no benefit to timewasting.
There's also merit in taking timekeeping out of the ref's hands as well. They are bound to be inconsistent.
 
24 minutes and 40 seconds, this is how long the ball was in play for in the second half on Saturday! Meaning (If you include the 6 minutes added time) 27 minutes of time wasting.

I suppose you can't blame Norwich, they had their plan and stuck to it very well. I for one however am so glad I don't have to watch that week in week out, against a newly promoted side with a fraction of their budget.

I read that in a recent game featuring West Brom the ball was in play for little over 40 minutes during the whole game! Surely the officials needs to crack down on this as it's creeping into the game more and more often now and ruining the spectacle.

First post this by the way so be kind.
good effort
 
I can recall a game played around Easter time,Forest fighting relegation,under the management of evil Billy Davies,started time wasting at 3pm,the kick had to be taken twice,this set the template for the next 90 minutes,just like Saturday,a weak referee allowed them to get away with it,

Think it was about 2009. They were down to ten men early and we didn't manage to break them down. Finished 0-0 and we missed out on automatic promotion by a couple of points (I think).
 
24 minutes and 40 seconds, this is how long the ball was in play for in the second half on Saturday! Meaning (If you include the 6 minutes added time) 27 minutes of time wasting.

I suppose you can't blame Norwich, they had their plan and stuck to it very well. I for one however am so glad I don't have to watch that week in week out, against a newly promoted side with a fraction of their budget.

I read that in a recent game featuring West Brom the ball was in play for little over 40 minutes during the whole game! Surely the officials needs to crack down on this as it's creeping into the game more and more often now and ruining the spectacle.

First post this by the way so be kind.

The ball goes out of play for many reasons other than time-wasting though mate. I saw a stat on how many minutes the average footballer actually touches the ball during a game. I can't remember exactly now but I think it was only about 90 seconds out of the whole match. (Which is why it's important to appreciate players like Dean Hammond who do "unseen work" I suppose). :eek:
 



I can recall a game played around Easter time,Forest fighting relegation,under the management of evil Billy Davies,started time wasting at 3pm,the kick had to be taken twice,this set the template for the next 90 minutes,just like Saturday,a weak referee allowed them to get away with it,
That was the worst game ever for time wasting. I could not believe the naivety of the ref that night.
 
24 minutes and 40 seconds, this is how long the ball was in play for in the second half on Saturday! Meaning (If you include the 6 minutes added time) 27 minutes of time wasting.

I suppose you can't blame Norwich, they had their plan and stuck to it very well. I for one however am so glad I don't have to watch that week in week out, against a newly promoted side with a fraction of their budget.

I read that in a recent game featuring West Brom the ball was in play for little over 40 minutes during the whole game! Surely the officials needs to crack down on this as it's creeping into the game more and more often now and ruining the spectacle.

First post this by the way so be kind.

Great username, have a like.
 
24 minutes and 40 seconds, this is how long the ball was in play for in the second half on Saturday! Meaning (If you include the 6 minutes added time) 27 minutes of time wasting.

I suppose you can't blame Norwich, they had their plan and stuck to it very well. I for one however am so glad I don't have to watch that week in week out, against a newly promoted side with a fraction of their budget.

I read that in a recent game featuring West Brom the ball was in play for little over 40 minutes during the whole game! Surely the officials needs to crack down on this as it's creeping into the game more and more often now and ruining the spectacle.

First post this by the way so be kind.

27 Minutes. Average time the ball is in play in Premiere League in all matches season 2010 2011. (Well half a match actually).

So whilst 24 minutes is at the low end there were 3 matches averaging 22 minutes each half and at the other end 2 matches with 33 each half.

Presumably time wasting is mostly in the second half of matches so the Blades match might well be higher than 24 for the entire match divided by 2.......:eek:

So yes Norwich were time wasting but nothing particularly out of the ordinary according to these stats.

EffectivePlay_EPL201011.png

http://www.soccermetrics.net/team-performance/effective-time-in-football

Statistics eh........Have a like for your first post.......:)
 
Why not just do what they do in rugby , pause the clock when the ref stops play it's simple
 
24 minutes and 40 seconds, this is how long the ball was in play for in the second half on Saturday! Meaning (If you include the 6 minutes added time) 27 minutes of time wasting.

I suppose you can't blame Norwich, they had their plan and stuck to it very well. I for one however am so glad I don't have to watch that week in week out, against a newly promoted side with a fraction of their budget.

I read that in a recent game featuring West Brom the ball was in play for little over 40 minutes during the whole game! Surely the officials needs to crack down on this as it's creeping into the game more and more often now and ruining the spectacle.

First post this by the way so be kind.
Woodwardfan This is what I'm getting at. It is scandalous that we are being done. look at it another way Footballers are not putting in a full shift and getting massively rewarded for it.
 
The idea of fixed 30 minute halves actually has some merit. Time is only counted when the ball is in play. For example, the NHL and NFL have 1 hour games that last up to 3 hours because the clock stops at the whistle and doesn't restart until the next whistle. It would take some getting used to but I'd guess the most games would run 85-95 minutes so the fans get the same amount of time and likely better value. There's no benefit to timewasting.
I would suggest although your intention is good. When the game was first designed then time wasting was not an issue and it was designed for play to be 45 minutes.
 
Woodwardfan This is what I'm getting at. It is scandalous that we are being done. look at it another way Footballers are not putting in a full shift and getting massively rewarded for it.


I did say I was with you on those issues but we were talking about Wilder acting irresponsibly and wasting 2 maybe 3 minutes of that valuable time, thereby playing right in to the oppositions' hands. Our crowd too throwing bottles on the pitch - another 2 or 3 minutes. All wasted time when we could have been playing football and entertaining the paying customers.
 
I did say I was with you on those issues but we were talking about Wilder acting irresponsibly and wasting 2 maybe 3 minutes of that valuable time, thereby playing right in to the oppositions' hands. Our crowd too throwing bottles on the pitch - another 2 or 3 minutes. All wasted time when we could have been playing football and entertaining the paying customers.
I made no comment about the bottles and I still will defend CW. His intention to get on with the game was honourable and yet you suggest he should stay measured and premeditate every situation. Did you make any statement about the referee being "daft". because he got taken in by it all?
 
I made no comment about the bottles and I still will defend CW. His intention to get on with the game was honourable and yet you suggest he should stay measured and premeditate every situation. Did you make any statement about the referee being "daft". because he got taken in by it all?


I think we should agree to differ because I don't think we understand the points each other are making.
 
I think we should agree to differ because I don't think we understand the points each other are making.
You called Wilder daft. I understand that you feel he should be more reserved and not get involved.
My point is you failed to call the Ref daft because of his naivety. Or to that point fail to recognise that the game needs changing in respect of this naivety by the FA and the other governing bodies.
As stated in an earlier post, the game was designed for 45 mins a half and at the time of its conception no thought was given to how to waste time. The players, officials and all connected with the playing side of the game at this level are getting rewarded handsomely yet are putting in 23 minutes (one example) instead of the 45minutes we pay for. So maybe you and me are the daft ones as well.
 
24 minutes and 40 seconds, this is how long the ball was in play for in the second half on Saturday! Meaning (If you include the 6 minutes added time) 27 minutes of time wasting.

I suppose you can't blame Norwich, they had their plan and stuck to it very well. I for one however am so glad I don't have to watch that week in week out, against a newly promoted side with a fraction of their budget.

I read that in a recent game featuring West Brom the ball was in play for little over 40 minutes during the whole game! Surely the officials needs to crack down on this as it's creeping into the game more and more often now and ruining the spectacle.

First post this by the way so be kind.
You get the "like" for your user name
Inspired :D
 
The idea of fixed 30 minute halves actually has some merit. Time is only counted when the ball is in play. For example, the NHL and NFL have 1 hour games that last up to 3 hours because the clock stops at the whistle and doesn't restart until the next whistle. It would take some getting used to but I'd guess the most games would run 85-95 minutes so the fans get the same amount of time and likely better value. There's no benefit to timewasting.
Most of that is due to time outs, not waiting for a whistle.
 

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