Away fans?

[Balham]

My maths can't be that good.

It's 600 empty seats in the lower tier not 500.

2,293 tickets is Derbys final allocation, assume this figure will apply to Villa, Sunderland, Leeds and Wednesday too.

I'd love that to be the case but there is no way on God's green earth that SYP will allow United and Wednesday fans to sit in the same stand. It's ludicrous but that's where we are.

 

[wizadry]

We don't have that many Police officers if any at all in the actual ground on match days, I'm pretty sure those in charge of such arrangements will have looked at the cost of Police inside the ground or netting off a few areas and realise it works out best to net areas off instead of paying the Police a fortune to be in charge inside the ground as well as outside it. Just a thought but for me it's a very plausible one.

 

[snootyfenooty]

We don't have that many Police officers if any at all in the actual ground on match days, I'm pretty sure those in charge of such arrangements will have looked at the cost of Police inside the ground or netting off a few areas and realise it works out best to net areas off instead of paying the Police a fortune to be in charge inside the ground as well as outside it. Just a thought but for me it's a very plausible one.

I think you'll find that's the fact not a thought. Ironically for the pigs game there will be no possibility of leaving it to the stewards so the police will be inside the ground in force resulting in less segregation for the most high profile game of the season.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Ive heard a little rumour that the current two stewarding companies in use at the ground Premier and Global,are going to to lose the stewarding contract and G4S are going to replace them.

 

[grafikhaus]

Can the IDIOTS (and we do have some) behave on Bramall Lane AFTER the game. We are still on trial it seems.

The idiots who cause trouble on Bramall Lane after the match are SYPD. There's no reason whatsoever to let away fans - including 'high risk' such as Cardiff, Leeds, Millwall etc. straight out on the final whistle. A lot of these fans are likely to be pissed as it seems to be part of the 'away day experience'. I've seen utter tosh about 'keeping them in at the end would infringe their human rights', but is this law applicable to just South Yorkshire? I've said it before, I consider a smack in the mouth to a child, woman, old person etc. might just infringe their human rights.

The police deliberately make trouble highly likely as it justifies all their overtime (and that of their pals in the Durham Constabulary of the ROS - Reciprocal Overtime Scam.) This bunch were at Hillsborough on Sunday. I presume they were at Sunderland the day before when widespread violence broke out? (To quote Billy Connolly, I didn't see a 'mighty rush, rebellious Scots to crush', ditto Hillsborough. The cops know how to pick their fights.)

As Sean Thornton points out, while they're polishing their 'Hate Wall' they didn't seem to/didn't want to notice 50-odd pig fans sneaking round to attack Blades fans just before kick off at the last derby at the Lane. Ten years ago in the PL, away fans usually only got the BLLT but it would seem that they've since bought a job-lot of netting that they feel the need to use.

Finally, Fulwood Blade. Why are we on trial? The worst disaster in this area was at Hillsborough where the cops utterly failed to control the crowd. Not our fault.

Ive heard a little rumour that the current two stewarding companies in use at the ground Premier and Global,are going to to lose the stewarding contract and G4S are going to replace them.

God help us all. These are the muppets in charge of prisons which are subject to regular riots.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Ive heard a little rumour that the current two stewarding companies in use at the ground Premier and Global,are going to to lose the stewarding contract and G4S are going to replace them.

Is that Premier who are owned by Blades Leisure Ltd?

 

[bigbirdblade]

Can't we just ask both sets of fans to be nice?

 

[s4-blade]

Is that Premier who are owned by Blades Leisure Ltd?

Well Premier is registered to Europa house Scarborough and Global to Blades Enterprise Centre so perhaps both of them are.

On the subject, I haven't seen a significant police presence at the lane for years.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Ive heard a little rumour that the current two stewarding companies in use at the ground Premier and Global,are going to to lose the stewarding contract and G4S are going to replace them.

Can G4S do catering as well I wonder?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Well Premier is registered to Europa house Scarborough and Global to Blades Enterprise Centre so perhaps both of them are.

On the subject, I haven't seen a significant police presence at the lane for years.

My point was its unlikely that they would sack their own company. Not so much fake news as utter made up bollocks.

In my opinion anyway.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Just like to say fuck all away fans up the arse.
Couldn't give a flying about the bastards.
Last time I looked Bramall Lane was OUR fucking patch.

 

[Maidenhead]

My point was its unlikely that they would sack their own company. Not so much fake news as utter made up bollocks.

In my opinion anyway.

I was having very similar thoughts.

 

[BushBlade]

Just like to say fuck all away fans up the arse.
Couldn't give a flying about the bastards.
Last time I looked Bramall Lane was OUR fucking patch.

Im not too concerned about having anal sex with the majority of them but otherwise I agree. The more Blades we get through the door, the better.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Im not too concerned about having anal sex with the majority of them but otherwise I agree. The more Blades we get through the door, the better.

But do you piss down the back of their legs before or after?

 

[BushBlade]

But do you piss down the back of their legs before or after?

After, obviously. I'm not a weirdo.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

But do you piss down the back of their legs before or after?

That's a special service I provide to the discerning gentleman Sean. Mates rates?

 

[Foxy]

There's no reason whatsoever to let away fans - including 'high risk' such as Cardiff, Leeds, Millwall etc. straight out on the final whistle. A lot of these fans are likely to be pissed as it seems to be part of the 'away day experience'. I've seen utter tosh about 'keeping them in at the end would infringe their human rights', but is this law applicable to just South Yorkshire? I've said it before, I consider a smack in the mouth to a child, woman, old person etc. might just infringe their human rights.

It's applicable across the country. They have their failings, but unless there is a more specific and justifiable reason, they have to let them out.

As a regular away fan most of my life, I'd agree with them doing so too.

The reason human rights comes up, as that was the main vehicle for the practice being challenged.

 

[wizadry]

On the subject, I haven't seen a significant police presence at the lane for years.

Where have you been living for all this time pal, I hope you enjoyed it?

 

[s4-blade]

Where have you been living for all this time pal, I hope you enjoyed it?

That's gone right over my head I must admit. If you were wanting a witty response then I apologise.

 

[John Street Bar]

What ever happened to (or when) did the "holding back" of away fans in the ground for 5/10 mins to disperse of the home fans on the main streets (directly on to Bramall Lane) in our case stop?

 

[wizadry]

That's gone right over my head I must admit. If you were wanting a witty response then I apologise.

My point was that there has been plenty of games over recent years where the Police presence has been way over the top outside the ground, hence my remark of where have you been whilst all this was happening? Nothing major pal.

 

[Lawrence]

This year we're giving away fans the bottom tier as the plan is that home fans can use the BLUT.

The lower tier holds 2,990 but last season due to safety issues we were only allowed just over 2,100 in there.

It looks like the Saftery Committee have agreed to us selling a few more increasing the safety limit to 2,393.
That's well short of the 2,999 capacity though with 500 seats netted off (250 each side near both corner flags).

For comparison purposes last season Bradford totally sold out the bottom tier and brought 2,109 supporters.
Bolton sold out the top tier and brought 2,281 supporters.

500 seats waisted, that's crazy!! Sheffield police are running scared :/

 

[s4-blade]

My point was that there has been plenty of games over recent years where the Police presence has been way over the top outside the ground, hence my remark of where have you been whilst all this was happening? Nothing major pal.

Ah yes you're right, I was talking more inside the ground. Having said that, I don't recall see much of a police presence outside the ground either last season.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

My mathes can't be that good.

Spellin's a bit ruff anole

 

[Davalon]

The idiots who cause trouble on Bramall Lane after the match are SYPD. There's no reason whatsoever to let away fans - including 'high risk' such as Cardiff, Leeds, Millwall etc. straight out on the final whistle. A lot of these fans are likely to be pissed as it seems to be part of the 'away day experience'. I've seen utter tosh about 'keeping them in at the end would infringe their human rights', but is this law applicable to just South Yorkshire? I've said it before, I consider a smack in the mouth to a child, woman, old person etc. might just infringe their human rights.

At an FSF meeting a few years or so ago at the Sty, the copper there stated that it's a Sheffield Council by law that means we can no longer keep away fans in.

I raised an eye but have no idea whether there's any truth in it. Not much surprises me in this city tbf.

 

[grafikhaus]

It's applicable across the country. They have their failings, but unless there is a more specific and justifiable reason, they have to let them out.

As a regular away fan most of my life, I'd agree with them doing so too.

The reason human rights comes up, as that was the main vehicle for the practice being challenged.

Surely a 'specific and justifiable reason' would be to prevent the very high chance of disorder? Crime prevention, in other words. I've seen away fans pouring out at FT, obviously pissed and looking for trouble. Bar staff wouldn't/shouldn't serve somebody who was obviously pissed as it may lead to problems, so can't the same basic common sense apply here?

At an FSF meeting a few years or so ago at the Sty, the copper there stated that it's a Sheffield Council by law that means we can no longer keep away fans in.

I raised an eye but have no idea whether there's any truth in it. Not much surprises me in this city tbf.

Not aimed at you, Davalon, but that's utter bollox from the copper. Are we to believe - in the city that witnessed the worst football disaster in living memory - that some Council factotum (who probably wasn't even at the game) trumps the police who are 'on the ground' and can change tactics as situations develop? If so - and if this practice was in place back then - the Council (and Wednesday) are responsible for the events of 1989 as they overruled the police. Can't see it myself.

 

[Foxy]

Surely a 'specific and justifiable reason' would be to prevent the very high chance of disorder?

And how are you justifying that 'very high chance' of disorder?

Blades fans have been fairly badly behaved recently if you look at the statistics, should we be locked in every week?

Bar staff wouldn't/shouldn't serve somebody who was obviously pissed as it may lead to problems, so can't the same basic common sense apply here?

Should be turned away at the turnstiles.

 

[coolhandluke]

It's nothing short of pathetic, embarrassing, infuriating, and frankly pointless.

What's changed since the Prem season when this wasn't an issue btw?

Lines of stewards or a couple of rows of seats for other big games around the country. Even the auld firm games I've seen doesn't have worse segregation inside the ground.

If anyone says it's because of April 1989 I'll scream

Don't worry pal , no need to scream . It isn't the death of 96 fans that's the issue here . It's the fact that local groups responsible for fan safety on that fateful day have been caught for causing it decades later .

 

[Piffle and Tosh]

One line of stewards at Manchester derby, that is all.

that is little old Manchester though lol nice friendly people

 

[Isar]

Are away fans still held in the ground after the game at Millwall? I thought that was the case. Which if it is, seems to suggest the police can decide on safety grounds to use this tactic.