'Development fees'

[Scooter_mcgavin]

I knew at the time that Celtic had to pay Fulham a development fee for taking Dembele as u was u21 and wouldn't sign a new contract (i initially thought the fee was only due if the club didn't offer a contract on same terms, but seems that's wrong).

Anyway, Dembele played a fair few games for Fulham and looked decent.

The 'development fee' Celtic had to pay....... 500k.

A year later in one of the worst top flight leagues in europe and he's worth 20m.

How is that right!?

 

[S5Blade]

but this is exactly why we should reject all bids for our youngsters who dont want to be here, we still get "development fees" for them if they leave aged under 24......

I reckon our fee for brooks would be less than 100k.

 

[Pierre's PC]

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

but this is exactly why we should reject all bids for our youngsters who dont want to be here, we still get "development fees" for them if they leave aged under 24......

I reckon our fee for brooks would be less than 100k.

Of course it would be.

That's how the FA make it even easier for the bigger clubs to get all the best talent.

And they wonder why our national game is in such a mess.

 

[Torrix1889]

Presumably if Brooks stayed here for another year and then rejected a new deal he could leave under the same circumstances? Therefore by that logic you can understand why a fee would be accepted now if it was sizeable enough.

Probably about time a "standard" sell on percentage was included in any "development fee" deals if the player is then sold on within a couple of years at a huge profit.

 

[FleaPitBlade]

The whole compensation system is flawed in favour of the money clubs. (Shock horror).

A much fairer system would be;

5%* of a players first professional transfer for every year of development by any club.

So, if Brooks spent 4 years at City, we'd owe them 20% of whatever we sold him for.
Likewise, if Newton Heath snatch one of our lads at 15, who'd been with us since he was 11, they'd owe us 20% of anything they sold him for in the future.

*random figures for the benefit of making the point.

 

[BushBlade]

I knew at the time that Celtic had to pay Fulham a development fee for taking Dembele as u was u21 and wouldn't sign a new contract (i initially thought the fee was only due if the club didn't offer a contract on same terms, but seems that's wrong).

Anyway, Dembele played a fair few games for Fulham and looked decent.

The 'development fee' Celtic had to pay....... 500k.

A year later in one of the worst top flight leagues in europe and he's worth 20m.

How is that right!?

It's not right. Or it could be. Either way, it's how it is. He also moved from one FA to the other so it's considered a move 'abroad'. They'd have got more if he had gone to an English club. They tried to play hardball with Spurs. Spurs told them to fuck off.

 

[Slim Man]

If he went to Spurs it would've been a big fee. He chose to go to Celtic so they'd pay next to fuck all.

If Brooks went to a prem club at a tribunal we would get decent money.

 

[BushBlade]

If he went to Spurs it would've been a big fee. He chose to go to Celtic so they'd pay next to fuck all.

If Brooks went to a prem club at a tribunal we would get decent money.

No we wouldn't. The Spurs deal was offered in the JTW. Had he left at the end of his contract and gone to Spurs the compensation would have been higher but not significantly so. We'd get very little for Brooks as he's only been on our books for a couple of years.

 

[S5Blade]

Here is a good example of fees and what is actually paid, see which bracket Brooks fits into......

GEORGE PORTER

• Porter had made 34 league appearances for Leyton Orient between the age of 18 and 20. He rejected a new two year contract offer, and instead signed a three year contract with the Championship club Burnley.
• The PFCC decided that Burnley should pay Leyton Orient an initial compensation fee of £90,000.
• Additionally, Burnley were to pay Leyton Orient a further £17,500 after the player has made 15, 30, 45 and 60 appearances (i.e. a total further potential payment of £70,000).
• Burnley would also pay Leyton Orient a further sum of £100,000 if Burnley were promoted to the Premier League in the next three seasons and assuming the player remains at the club and had played at least 23 matches in the promotion season.
• Leyton Orient should receive 16.5% of any profit made by Burnley in selling the player to another club at any point in the future.

AARON CRESWELL

• Aaron Creswell had made 70 or so league appearances for Tranmere Rovers when, aged 21, he rejected a new long term contract offer. He signed for the Championship club Ipswich Town on a three year contract.
• The PFCC decided that Ipswich Town should pay Tranmere Rovers an initial compensation fee of £240,000.
• An additional £45,000 was ordered in respect of the player making 15, 30, 45 and 60 appearances for Ipswich Town.
• An additional £100,000 was ordered should Ipswich Town achieve promotion to the Premier League in the next 3 seasons.
• Tranmere Rovers are to receive 20% of any profit made by Ipswich Town in selling the player to another club at any point in the future.

ROBERT HALL

• Robert Hall had signed a professional contract at West Ham aged 17, and made four first team league appearances for West Ham. He also enjoyed successful loan spells, including in particular at Birmingham City and represented England at under 16 through to under 19 level. Allowing his contract to expire, aged 20 he signed a three year contract at Bolton Wanderers.
• The PFCC decided that Bolton should pay West Ham an initial compensation fee of £450,000.
• Additionally, £250,000 will be due if Bolton are promoted to the Premier League in the next 3 seasons
• £2,500 per appearance was ordered for the first 100 appearances (for Bolton) in the Championship, or £10,000 per appearance for the first 100 appearances (for Bolton) if in the Premier League
• 20% of any profit made by Bolton Wanderers in selling the player to another club at any point in the future will be payable to West Ham.

ANTHONY STRAKER

• Anthony Straker joined Aldershot aged 18 having been released by Crystal Palace and went on to make in the region of 200 appearances in the Conference and League Two. He rejected a new contract, and aged 22 signed for Southend United on a two year deal.
• The PFCC decided that Southend United should pay Aldershot an initial compensation fee of £17,500.
• Additionally, Southend United would pay an additional £5,000 if they won promotion to League One during the two year contract.
• Southend will also pay Aldershot 20% of any profit it makes from selling the player to another club at any point in the future.

JAMES COLLINS

• James Collins joined League Two club Shrewsbury Town as 21 year old striker in January 2011, having previously been an Aston Villa player (who made no first team appearances for Villa).
• Quickly establishing himself as a first-team regular, James appeared 66 times in the League for Shrewsbury between 2011 and 2012, scoring 22 League goals. In the 2011/2012 season, Shrewsbury won promotion and James was their top scorer.
• In the summer of 2012, only 18 months after signing for Shrewsbury, an out-of-contract James signed for Swindon Town, who themselves had just been promoted to League One.
• The PFCC decided that Swindon Town should pay Shrewsbury an initial compensation fee of £140,000.
• Additionally, further payments of £20,000 after 15, 30, 45 and 60 appearances (totalling up to £80,000) would be due.
• Swindon would also pay Shrewsbury 20% of any profit it makes from selling the player to another club at any point in the future.

TROY ARCHIBALD-HENVILLE

• Troy signed for Exeter City in February 2010 having previously enjoyed a successful loan spell for them (from his then parent club Tottenham Hotspur).
• For the then League One club, Troy made 115 League appearances before his contract expired in the summer of 2012. He signed for League One club Swindon Town.
• The PFCC ordered that Swindon should pay Exeter City an initial compensation fee of £200,000.
• Additionally, Swindon were to pay up to £80,000 based on future appearances.
• Swindon were also ordered to pay £40,000 if they gained promotion to the Championship whilst Troy remained an employee and £100,000 further if they gained Premier League promotion
• Swindon were ordered to pay Exeter 20% of any profit they made on selling the player to another club in the future.

JAMES DUNNE

• Midfielder James Dunne joined then League One club Exeter City in the summer of 2009 after a youth career at Arsenal.
• James appeared 110 times in the League for Exeter before the club were relegated in the summer of 2012, at the point of his contract expiry. James would sign for then League One club Stevenage.
• The PFCC ordered that Stevenage should pay Exeter City an initial compensation fee of £75,000.
• Additionally, Stevenage were to pay a further £25,000 after 30 and 60 appearances.
• Stevenage were also ordered to pay to Exeter 20% of any profit they made in the event of a future sale of the player.

JED STEER

• Jed had spent all of his youth career at Norwich City and turned professional aged 17. He made his first team debut for Norwich City in the FA Cup, away to WBA, in what would be his only first team appearance for the Canaries. He enjoyed successful loan periods at Cambridge and Yeovil Town, and played for England U16, U17 and U19. Jed was regarded by Norwich City as one of the best young goalkeepers in the country. He allowed his contract to expire and signed for Premier League club Aston Villa, immediately becoming their no.2 keeper.
• The PFCC ordered that Aston Villa pay Norwich City an initial compensation fee of £450,000.
• Additionally, if Jed represents England Under 21 and the full senior side, Norwich City will be paid a further £225,000.
• Appearances for Aston Villa trigger further payments, which in total could amount to a maximum sum of £500,000.
• Aston Villa will also need to pay Norwich 20% of any profit they make from selling the player to another club at any point in the future.

DANNY INGS

• Danny Ings signed for Burnley as a 19 year old in the summer of 2011 after many years at Bournemouth. It was reported that Burnley had paid a transfer fee in the region of £1 million.
• Danny appeared 122 times for Burnley in the League, scoring 38 goals, with 11 of those goals coming in the 2014/15 season in the Premier League.
• Signing for Liverpool in the summer of 2015 as a free agent, the PFCC would ultimately order Liverpool to pay Burnley an initial compensation fee of £6.5 million.
• Additionally, Liverpool must pay up to £1.5 million based on further appearances and also 20% of any profit they make in the event that they sell the player to another club.

CURTIS NELSON

• Curtis had spent his schoolboy years at Stoke City but after being released at 16 he joined Plymouth Argyle’s academy in 2008
• In 2010 Curtis signed his first professional contract with Plymouth and between 2010 and 2016 he started 211 Football League games for them
• Upon his contract expiring in the summer of 2016 Curtis, then aged 23, left the League Two club to sign for League One club Oxford United
• The PFCC ordered that Oxford United pay Plymouth an initial compensation fee of £200,000.
• Additionally, appearances and other factors would trigger further payments that could total another £80,000.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Not many significant fees amongst that lot

 

[itsinyerblood]

No we wouldn't. The Spurs deal was offered in the JTW. Had he left at the end of his contract and gone to Spurs the compensation would have been higher but not significantly so. We'd get very little for Brooks as he's only been on our books for a couple of years.

Well said BB, youth vs experience uh? Always comes a cropper as arrogance seems an inevitable by-product.....must be careful not to use 'long' words too, according to a previous post it seems that it's best to keep language down to the most basic of communications.

 

[Slim Man]

No we wouldn't. The Spurs deal was offered in the JTW. Had he left at the end of his contract and gone to Spurs the compensation would have been higher but not significantly so. We'd get very little for Brooks as he's only been on our books for a couple of years.

Name 'decent'. We got a million for Mellis all them years ago when the money wasn't as big, I'm fairly confident we'd get more than that with Brooks having such a promising international tournament. I think we're definitely looking at 7 figures. Fact is no one knows...

 

[BushBlade]

Name 'decent'. We got a million for Mellis all them years ago when the money wasn't as big, I'm fairly confident we'd get more than that with Brooks having such a promising international tournament. I think we're definitely looking at 7 figures. Fact is no one knows...

We got a lot less than £1m. £400k I think, the rest was in performance based add-ons which he didn't achieve. And that was before the changes to compensation made by EPPP.

 

[1889]

It should just be the same rule across the board, minimum transfer fee of £1,000,000 and a 50% sell on clause for any academy product sold within the first four years as a pro.

That would ensure that in most cases, young players would have to show some loyalty and the parent club would also get some game time benefit, as a return on their years of investment.

 

[8lade]

We got a lot less than £1m. £400k I think, the rest was in performance based add-ons which he didn't achieve. And that was before the changes to compensation made by EPPP.

Correct. Sometimes you can gauge the measure of a poster when they keep quoting incorrect information when the right information has been posted over and over, I personally have twice posted the source info for the £400k figure on this forum.
Also the info that S5 has posted I have twice posted the source for that too (although it is the top return when you Google 'football tribunal fees'), it gives me hope that some people at least have the wherewithal to read forums and follow up sources, rather than just post the first thing in their heads.

 

[BushBlade]

Correct. Sometimes you can gauge the measure of a poster when they keep quoting incorrect information when the right information has been posted over and over, I personally have twice posted the source info for the £400k figure on this forum.
Also the info that S5 has posted I have twice posted the source for that too (although it is the top return when you Google 'football tribunal fees'), it gives me hope that some people at least have the wherewithal to read forums and follow up sources, rather than just post the first thing in their heads.

I've also posted the article s5 posted, last season I think. I've posted the Mellis figures probably ten times on here and BM. My top re-post has been SCMP and the benefactor rule which I posted so often I just kept the page open on my phone for two years.

 

[steve26272]

I knew at the time that Celtic had to pay Fulham a development fee for taking Dembele as u was u21 and wouldn't sign a new contract (i initially thought the fee was only due if the club didn't offer a contract on same terms, but seems that's wrong).

Anyway, Dembele played a fair few games for Fulham and looked decent.

The 'development fee' Celtic had to pay....... 500k.

A year later in one of the worst top flight leagues in europe and he's worth 20m.

How is that right!?

maybe this is why when a lad (or his agent more likely) knocks at the door and says they want to move, rather than let the contract run down and risk this shit the board take a decision to sell for the best fee they can get, even though it seems low to us. If Brookes wants to go wr would i reckon get £3mil, on a tribunal £200k?
we hold the contract, but the player holds the power.