CONFIRMED John Lundstram signs

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Houso said:
Odd thing is, we were very clearly looking at Leonard and Holmes at the same time.

Lundstram is apparently akin to neither of these players.

So, if we're still trying to get Leonard, have we given up on getting a forward the likes of Holmes? Or has Brooks done enough to force himself into Wilder's thinking here?
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I don't know, but with Carruthers, Duffy, Thomas (possibly) and the emergence of Brooks; Wilder might now feel he has enough in this area. Add in the possibility of Lavery dropping into that role if needed as well and I can see that could be case.
 

Lundstram certainly caught my eye in the game at Oxford last season. Two reasons - he looked good and certainly orchestrated much of their good work, and.... I was surprised how bulky he was on top, looked like he'd either been at the weights, or the burgers..
 
I believe Lundstram is to fight with Coutts for his place.

Leonard is to fight with Fleck for his place.

CW wants competition for places and having these players underneath will push them on plus give us further options to change formation etc.

We loan our Reed and Whiteman and try and sign League ones best central midfielders. This is how a team likes ours steadily improves!
 
Signing Lundstram and Leonard makes perfect sense.

It means we have 4 players for 2 positions - as it should be. No square pegs in round holes ala Basham, Carruthers.

Gives Reed and Whiteman the full season to go and develop their game on loan, not get called back here due to an injury crisis for one game then not get used again. The emergency loan window closing has put paid to that being viable.

I'm all for this signing. John Lundstram is a very good footballer.
 
Houso said:
Odd thing is, we were very clearly looking at Leonard and Holmes at the same time.

Lundstram is apparently akin to neither of these players.

So, if we're still trying to get Leonard, have we given up on getting a forward the likes of Holmes? Or has Brooks done enough to force himself into Wilder's thinking here?
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To me, as it stands it would make sense to have

- Duffy, Thomas and brooks competing for the attacking mid role.

- And Coutts, lundstram and carruthers for one CM role

- With fleck, Leonard and carruthers for the other CM role

Plenty of depth there then and enough difference is style that we could chance things up depending on how we want to set up.
 
Bladeinleeds said:
To me, as it stands it would make sense to have

- Duffy, Thomas and brooks competing for the attacking mid role.

- And Coutts, lundstram and carruthers for one CM role

- With fleck, Leonard and carruthers for the other CM role

Plenty of depth there then and enough difference is style that we could chance things up depending on how we want to set up.
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Carruthers is a CAM, sorry he just doesn't have the positional sense and defensive side to his game to play deeper.

I like him, he's a player but as part of a 2 in midfield he's a no from me. Play him further up and watch him flourish.
 
Grizzly blade said:
Debatable.....I would say completely unqualified.
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Unless you consider being a supporter and having seen him play in almost every game he's played?

Nothing against Reedy and I thought when he first started getting into the team he was going to be prospect. His vision and passing impressed me. But the lad just hasn't been able to assert himself on the team and bearing in mind we've spent 6 years in League 1 my opinion is that if he was ever going to establish himself in the first team and become a regular, that was it. As I've said, I think he's a neat and tidy footballer - he can be very inconsistent though and there's games when it's almost been like he could do nothing right and he's been subbed. I think he needs regular football and he's got a good opportunity to do that now with Chesterfield. I can't see him ever establishing himself in our first team - he's not been deemed good enough to make the starting 11 for ages now and we are signing better players to equip ourselves for a more difficult division. That's why I think his days are numbered at Sheff Utd but hopefully the lad will do well for Chesterfield and find a career there, or elsewhere in the lower leagues.
 
Carruthers always looks so much more effective coming off the bench. He seems to drift out of games when he starts. Duffy being replaced late on by Carruthers is still our best option at the moment, but if Brooks stays with us he'll be first choice come November/December time
 
dannysufc_ said:
Carruthers is a CAM, sorry he just doesn't have the positional sense and defensive side to his game to play deeper.

I like him, he's a player but as part of a 2 in midfield he's a no from me. Play him further up and watch him flourish.
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I do take that point, in terms of the discipline to do what fleck and coutts did last year.

To me carruthers is the odd man out at the minute in terms of a starting position. Think he's not technically as strong on the ball as Duffy to take the responsibility just yet.

For me his most effective coming off the bench and livening things up. I don't see anyone else in the squad with the same ability to drive (which is why I think he could make one of the cm places his own) with the ball and I do think he's a real talent.

That said with a full pre season and operating at the same fitness levels as the rest of the side I think we will see the best of a talented player. He's certainly on of the few we have that can get people off their seats so an attacking role makes sense.
 
Can anyone advocating the (500k+) signings of both Leonard and Lundstram please post me a feasible starting 11 and 7 subs?
 
Bladeinleeds i agree with Carruthers statement. But we are now a championship side we need to carry top league one players especially in our first season in the league.

Bought at a reasonable price, adds quality and will play when needed. If we hit an injury crisis I have no issues with him starting a prolonged period of games.

This is the best thing about our squad we all have our favourites and who we want to start, but no one could argue massively whoever CW chooses to play as our number 10 next season.
 

Ricky said:
Can anyone advocating the (500k+) signings of both Leonard and Lundstram please post me a feasible starting 11 and 7 subs?
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Easy add Lundstram and Leonard to the bench for now. Unless we amend the formation.
 
Ricky said:
Can anyone advocating the (500k+) signings of both Leonard and Lundstram please post me a feasible starting 11 and 7 subs?
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Not suggesting we deffo do both but would add much needed competition to the squad and allows for round pegs in round holes

Also gives us options where we need to be more defensively minded in games and also where we want to control the tempo.

As a question - how much would we need to pay for an direct upgrade at the right age on coutts and fleck?

For an upgrade on players of their quality £4m plus maybe?? Who could we sign where it's obvious that they displace the current incumbents?
 
bladesmanluke said:
Carruthers always looks so much more effective coming off the bench. He seems to drift out of games when he starts. Duffy being replaced late on by Carruthers is still our best option at the moment, but if Brooks stays with us he'll be first choice come November/December time
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This is a massive season for Cattuthers.

I remember seeing a post on the MK Dons forum when they sold Carruthers.
One of their fans said he was hugely talented but has a tendency to be a "show pony"
Lots of fancy tricks and flicks but often little substance and can drift out of games.

I think this sums up Carruthers well.
The guy plays with a swagger and has so much potential
But he's got to start thinking about end product and substance as well as his undoubted style.
He's a joy to watch though and I've got high hopes for him, he has the ability to be a top player.
 
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If this signing comes off I would expect Wilder is fairly confident of Lenihan (or someone similar) coming off. If we ended up with both of them I would say central midfield is sorted for me. Lundstram, Coutts and Fleck would be our primary choices with Carruthers also adding another dimension if we need more direct running. Basham and Lenihan can also play midfield either as cover or when we need to play a bit more defensively in the middle. With 6 potential CMs (5 if you want to discount Lenihan) I can't see how people think Leonard will fit in as an additional signing with that. Even if we don't get Len.
 
Ricky said:
Can anyone advocating the (500k+) signings of both Leonard and Lundstram please post me a feasible starting 11 and 7 subs?
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In terms of subs:

GK, Basham, Stevens/Lafferty, Coutts/Lundstram, Fleck/Leonard, Brooks/Thomas, Lavery

Assuming a starting 11 of:

Moore
Freeman/Baldock, New CB, Stearman, JOC, Stevens/Lafferty
Coutts/Lundstram, Fleck/Leonard
Duffy/Carruthers
Sharp, Clarke

Omissions of: Duffy/Carruthers, Wright, Freeman/Baldock, Thomas/Brooks

Big strength in depth and harsh on those missing out, but with that comes the ability to change formation which could see players get rotated fairly freely in and out of the squad

Edit: would expect Fleck and Coutts to start injuries and suspensions depending
 
ThroughThinAndThinner said:
In terms of subs:

GK, Basham, Stevens/Lafferty, Coutts/Lundstram, Fleck/Leonard, Brooks/Thomas, Lavery

Assuming a starting 11 of:

Moore
Freeman/Baldock, New CB, Stearman, JOC, Stevens/Lafferty
Coutts/Lundstram, Fleck/Leonard
Duffy/Carruthers
Sharp, Clarke

Omissions of: Duffy/Carruthers, Wright, Freeman/Baldock, Thomas/Brooks

Big strength in depth and harsh on those missing out, but with that comes the ability to change formation which could see players get rotated fairly freely in and out of the squad

Edit: would expect Fleck and Coutts to start injuries and suspensions depending
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All v sensible to me (apart from I can't see Lafferty getting a look-in once Stevens settles) but I'm afraid you're going to upset the fans of Ched by his omission from the 18.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Unless you consider being a supporter and having seen him play in almost every game he's played?

Nothing against Reedy and I thought when he first started getting into the team he was going to be prospect. His vision and passing impressed me. But the lad just hasn't been able to assert himself on the team and bearing in mind we've spent 6 years in League 1 my opinion is that if he was ever going to establish himself in the first team and become a regular, that was it. As I've said, I think he's a neat and tidy footballer - he can be very inconsistent though and there's games when it's almost been like he could do nothing right and he's been subbed. I think he needs regular football and he's got a good opportunity to do that now with Chesterfield. I can't see him ever establishing himself in our first team - he's not been deemed good enough to make the starting 11 for ages now and we are signing better players to equip ourselves for a more difficult division. That's why I think his days are numbered at Sheff Utd but hopefully the lad will do well for Chesterfield and find a career there, or elsewhere in the lower leagues.
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Being a supporter does not make you an expert.
You don't see the lad every day in training for one. He's still very young and it's still to early to say he won't ever be good enough for United.
It's a big season coming up for him, and in some ways he has been a victim of his own success as the youngest player ever to play a first team game I believe. Adkins was a disaster for him.

Consistency comes with age and experience. Whiteman benefitted from Mansfield, what's to say the same thing might happen again for Reed.
This time next year he could be a player who's benefitted enormously from the loan, and we might well be looking at him as a first team player. After all, size isn't an issue for a Fleck.
You have stated he is finished at the club. That is a completely unfounded assertion.

I'm prepared to see what happens this season rather than write someone off so easily.
 
Ricky said:
Can anyone advocating the (500k+) signings of both Leonard and Lundstram please post me a feasible starting 11 and 7 subs?
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Moore

Freeman - Basham - Stearman - JOC - Stevens

Coutts - Fleck

Brooks

Sharp - Clarke
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New GK, Wright, Baldock, Lundstram, Leonard, Carruthers, Lavery

Things change game by game and Wilder wants options. Sometimes players will find themselves totally out of the 18. They'll have to grin and bear it.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
Unless you consider being a supporter and having seen him play in almost every game he's played?

Nothing against Reedy and I thought when he first started getting into the team he was going to be prospect. His vision and passing impressed me. But the lad just hasn't been able to assert himself on the team and bearing in mind we've spent 6 years in League 1 my opinion is that if he was ever going to establish himself in the first team and become a regular, that was it. As I've said, I think he's a neat and tidy footballer - he can be very inconsistent though and there's games when it's almost been like he could do nothing right and he's been subbed. I think he needs regular football and he's got a good opportunity to do that now with Chesterfield. I can't see him ever establishing himself in our first team - he's not been deemed good enough to make the starting 11 for ages now and we are signing better players to equip ourselves for a more difficult division. That's why I think his days are numbered at Sheff Utd but hopefully the lad will do well for Chesterfield and find a career there, or elsewhere in the lower leagues.
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I would argue Wilder takes a much more pragmatic view than the one that you show here.

Reed hasn't been able to necessarily assert himself, you're right. However, that is the purpose of his loan move to Chesterfield. Reed playing in the under 23s last season was due to (1) him being rushed into the team in the first place and needing that extra development time and (2) Coutts and Fleck having an unbelievable season.

I'm not saying he will succeed (who knows), but why be so sure of his future here when he already so many great qualities?
 
Grizzly blade said:
Being a supporter does not make you an expert.
You don't see the lad every day in training for one. He's still very young and it's still to early to say he won't ever be good enough for United.
It's a big season coming up for him, and in some ways he has been a victim of his own success as the youngest player ever to play a first team game I believe. Adkins was a disaster for him.

Consistency comes with age and experience. Whiteman benefitted from Mansfield, what's to say the same thing might happen again for Reed.
This time next year he could be a player who's benefitted enormously from the loan, and we might well be looking at him as a first team player. After all, size isn't an issue for a Fleck.
You have stated he is finished at the club. That is a completely unfounded assertion.

I'm prepared to see what happens this season rather than write someone off so easily.
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The simple answer is; he was poor under Adkins, so were nearly all our players. Awful environment to be developing youth players. Last season, no kid was going to get chosen ahead of Coutts or Fleck (or Bash) so he had no chance. He played really well in the U23s. So well that if his reputation hadn't been tarnished by the Scouse failure, some of the posters that now decry him would be screaming for his inclusion and moaning that we'll sell him for fucking peanuts.
 
Sheffsteel said:
This is a massive season for Cattuthers.

I remember seeing a post on the MK Dons forum when they sold Carruthers.
One of their fans said he was hugely talented but has a tendency to be a "show pony"
Lots of fancy tricks and flicks but often little substance and can drift out of games.

I think this sums up Carruthers well.
The guy plays with a swagger and has so much potential
But he's got to start thinking about end product and substance as well as his undoubted style.
He's a joy to watch though and I've got high hopes for him, he has the ability to be a top player.
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He's had a pre-season with Wilder now though. He'll be running about like Forest Gump come August ;)
 

Just been on the Yellows Forum and some belting comments, its started he was great the closer it came to us completing he now cant pass and they are better with out him :rolleyes:

"No way should Lunny be sold for less than £2.5million! Wilder taking the p*ss again! John's advisers should tell him that he should only go to a top Championship team - IF he leaves at all!!"

"Sheffield Utd can f*ck right off"

"It would take a lot more than 500k to get Eales to sell."

"To replace him with a comparable player would probably cost in excess of 500K.

i.e Ryan Leonard-Southend and Brad Potts-Blackpool spring to mind.
Personally I would go for Jamie Allen at Rochdale.

If we lose Johnson and Nelson, Marcus Maddison and Aaron Pierre should be considered as possible replacements."

"worth more to us if he stays and helps us get promotion."

"He was the best long-range passer of the ball at OUFC for some time, and in the top half dozen of that type in Div 3 last season. He shared some of the normal demerits of such a player: no pace, weak under pressure but he well out-stripped players of his type in defence, mostly.

Very good Div 3 passing midfielder, I wouldn't have thought that would automatically translate to Div 2 but Wilder has an astute football brain (A. Knill prop.) and may well want Lundstram as a defensive midfielder who can turn defense into attack. We'll see.

Anyway, thanks and good luck to the lad. Hopefully he'll have time to meet up with Apples when he leaves the Blades and resume learning the game."

"I thought he was average and nothing special so won't miss him."

"Too many long Hollywood passes which usually ended up in the stands. I won't miss him ."

"working under Wilder is a challenge for any player. He's not exactly Mr Personality."

and this comment about Wilder, fuck me Oxford fans don't know good football when they see it do they?

"They won't be relegated under Wilder, he is a Pullis/Allardyce type at heart, I could see him forging a career in keeping championship clubs up once Sheffield United fans tire of him."































 
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