"Once a Northern Powerhouse of Football"

[Cerberus Blade]

Is how we were described in The Telegraph's report of the Kell Brook fight last night.

"Brook was unable to bring to life the prophecy of his uncle Johnny 24 years ago that he would one day bring Sheffield to a standstill with a world title win at this traditional football ground - once one of the great northern powerhouses of football".

So my question is then...will we ever be a "Northern Powerhouse of Football" again? or have those at the top of the food-chain just got too big and too rich for us to ever have the chance to be spoken of in those terms again?

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Is how we were described in The Telegraph's report of the Kell Brook fight last night.

"Brook was unable to bring to life the prophecy of his uncle Johnny 24 years ago that he would one day bring Sheffield to a standstill with a world title win at this traditional football ground - once one of the great northern powerhouses of football".

So my question is then...will we ever be a "Northern Powerhouse of Football" again? or have those at the top of the food-chain just got too big and too rich for us to ever have the chance to be spoken of in those terms again?

A club of our size will only attain that with an Abramovic type of investor. The northern clubs don't dominate like they did, football is becoming Londoncentric, it will only become more so, Spurs in the new stadium will probably replace Liverpool in the pecking order, leaving Manchester and 3 London clubs as the big 5.

 

[SteveBlade]

We could probably establish ourselves in the top flight and finish between 7th - 17th every season, with an occasional attempt at a place or two higher if everything aligns right.

We'll probably have a spell of something like that in the next few decades.

Probably.

Who knows.

What is life?

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Even after Leicester winning the league, there was still no chance of them becoming part of the football establishment.

 

[Benny and the Blades]

It's no longer about who you are it's all about how rich your owners are.,,

 

[SwissBlade]

Even after Leicester winning the league, there was still no chance of them becoming part of the football establishment.

True, they won't get anywhere whilst they're continually sacking managers and don't have a long term plan.

 

[COME BACK CHED]

We had the opportunity to make the pigs extinct ,[ maybe by the back door ] for next to nowt . This would have freeded up millions of fans and revenue for us , Then we could have joined the top ten clubs . Leeds will eventually return to be a constant top ten club sadly .

 

[John Street West Terrace]

I'd agree with all above the top 7 clubs in the Prem have massive financial institutions / benefactors behind them so we'd never get anywhere near them . But they've all sold there souls as clubs , yeh as like us all would like us to reach our peak up there but not at any cost I look at Chelsea they have been happy to price out the their fans who followed them when the club was shit & skint &'sold out Sky and the corporate quid . I still hate what Sky has created , a greedy bastard look after number one attitude .
There's never been so much money coming into football & so little passed down the leagues to greed route football .
One day the bubble will burst & they will then be deep shit when the prawn sandwich brigade & there fake support move onto the next pass time like cross country hoovering & extreme Henley regatta rowing !

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Anything can happen, but at the moment the answer to the original question is that it about as likely to happen as George Osborne's Northern Poorhouse, sorry Powerhouse.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Even after Leicester winning the league, there was still no chance of them becoming part of the football establishment.

Correct.

And the minute top flight satus was lost the players would fuck off to no mark clubs like Palace.

 

[BushBlade]

Post war and particularly after the abolition of the maximum wage, the trend has been towards clubs from densely populated and relatively wealthy areas, the north west and London.

They had (have) bigger stadiums, wealthier owners and better advertising contracts etc. The extra income from this allowed the clubs to win things and thrive during a golden era of the fifties and sixties, to build their support bases further and perpetuate their success, domestically and in the new theatre of European football. They became 'national' clubs rather than local, with support from all over the country.

We missed out on that and then took the double blow of the decline in attendances during the seventies and eighties coupled with the decline of our industry. That set both Sheffield clubs back a long way and we've never really recovered.

For as long as money dictates success in the game, we're unlikely to ever catch up. The big clubs are so far ahead now in the ways they can generate money from the global market.

 

[Sheffsteel]

The "Northern powerhouse" bit refers to pre 2nd world war.

Before the war we'd spent almost our WHOLE HISTORY in the TOP FLIGHT.
In the 70's my grandad used to say to me, Sheff United were always regarded nationally as a top flight club.
And it's hard to imagine them playing in the 2nd division.

Post war our record has been poor especially from 1976 onwards.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Post war and particularly after the abolition of the maximum wage, the trend has been towards clubs from densely populated and relatively wealthy areas, the north west and London.

They had (have) bigger stadiums, wealthier owners and better advertising contracts etc. The extra income from this allowed the clubs to win things and thrive during a golden era of the fifties and sixties, to build their support bases further and perpetuate their success, domestically and in the new theatre of European football. They became 'national' clubs rather than local, with support from all over the country.

We missed out on that and then took the double blow of the decline in attendances during the seventies and eighties coupled with the decline of our industry. That set both Sheffield clubs back a long way and we've never really recovered.

For as long as money dictates success in the game, we're unlikely to ever catch up. The big clubs are so far ahead now in the ways they can generate money from the global market.

Regards the history of football the Leeds United situation is interesting.
Traditionally a medium sized club, smaller than Sheff Utd and Sheff Wed.
In the early 60's Revie commented that "the crowds should be bigger"
Then from the mid 60's to the mid 70's Leeds become one of the best teams in World football.

Their timing for success couldn't have been better.
TV was starting to appear in everyone's households, then it was colour tv.
The Leeds United success meant they gained an army of 100,000's of new supporters/ admirers throughout the UK and abroad (particularly Scandinavia).

It's bloody typical that our halcyon period where SU were one of the best teams in world football was around 1900, no TVs, no social media and hardly any publicity to build up a brand and support base.

 

[Maidenhead]

We had the opportunity to make the pigs extinct ,[ maybe by the back door ] for next to nowt . This would have freeded up millions of fans and revenue for us , Then we could have joined the top ten clubs . Leeds will eventually return to be a constant top ten club sadly .

Regards the history of football the Leeds United situation is interesting.
Traditionally a medium sized club, smaller than Sheff Utd and Sheff Wed.
In the early 60's Revie commented that "the crowds should be bigger"
Then from the mid 60's to the mid 70's Leeds become one of the best teams in World football.

Their timing for success couldn't have been better.
TV was starting to appear in everyone's households, then it was colour tv.
The Leeds United success meant they gained an army of 100,000's of new supporters/ admirers throughout the UK and abroad (particularly Scandinavia).

It's bloody typical that our halcyon period where SU were one of the best teams in world football was around 1900, no TVs, no social media and hardly any publicity to build up a brand and support base.

Leeds United are not even the biggest club in Leeds.

Anyone that lives here or visits the city can't fail to see the predominance of Rhinos gear wherever they go.

Leeds United's support is bussed in from all over the county, and indeed country, based 1970's glory hunters and their offspring.

Fair play to them for sticking with them through their fallow years but they're all deluded twats and unless the Rhinos go bust they will always be the second team in Leeds.

Given the national and even international nature of their supporters base their potential for growth is not as big as people think.

 

[snootyfenooty]

eeds United are not even the biggest club in Leeds.

Anyone that lives here or visits the city can't fail to see the predominance of Rhinos gear wherever they go.

Leeds United's support is bussed in from all over the county, and indeed country, based 1970's glory hunters and their offspring.

Fair play to them for sticking with them through their fallow years but they're all deluded twats and unless the Rhinos go bust they will always be the second team in Leeds.

Given the national and even international nature of their supporters base their potential for growth is not as big as people think.

Those Rhino's fans are decent sorts as well, not like those fucking apes who follow the football club.

 

[Maidenhead]

Those Rhino's fans are decent sorts as well, not like those fucking apes who follow the football club.

Being one of them I have to agree whole heartedly with that

 

[lingsbord]

You wait until Kev and Prince Matalan sell out to the Chinese. They'll cosy up to Tuna-Guy for a merger and before you know it "AFC Sheffield" will move to a new 50,000 seat stadium and be in the top 6 every year, the new Northern Powerhouse.

Meanwhile, I'll be at the Coach and Horses

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Post war and particularly after the abolition of the maximum wage, the trend has been towards clubs from densely populated and relatively wealthy areas, the north west and London.

They had (have) bigger stadiums, wealthier owners and better advertising contracts etc. The extra income from this allowed the clubs to win things and thrive during a golden era of the fifties and sixties, to build their support bases further and perpetuate their success, domestically and in the new theatre of European football. They became 'national' clubs rather than local, with support from all over the country.

We missed out on that and then took the double blow of the decline in attendances during the seventies and eighties coupled with the decline of our industry. That set both Sheffield clubs back a long way and we've never really recovered.

For as long as money dictates success in the game, we're unlikely to ever catch up. The big clubs are so far ahead now in the ways they can generate money from the global market.

I'd put it different to that. I think the trend is toward forward thinking progressive cities (and towns). Of which Sheffield isnt one.

 

[maidmarion]

I'm amazed the Telegraph reporter made it past Watford Gap to be honest.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Those Rhino's fans are decent sorts as well, not like those fucking apes who follow the football club.

Let me say this quietly.......I don't think the people of Leeds are really that bad. But the neanderthals who attach themselves to the football club from all corners of the country generally do so because of their past reputation. Knobheads from Donny, Goole etc with that sense of entitlement, will ensure Leeds are hated forever.

 

[3-GBlade]

Money has always ruled football it is just that nowadays it is enormous figures that can only be supplied by International "businessmen".

The mighty Man U were created by the input of money (and whatever else) by James Gibson, and later the dodgy butcher, Louis Edwards

 

[grafikhaus]

It's no longer about who you are it's all about how rich your owners are.,,

Or knowing 'where the bodies are buried' i.e. Wet Sham. Or the pigs. £20m loan from the Co-op Bank? Waived. No safety certificate for a semi-final in 1989 where 96 fans died? No worries! We'll award you another two semis. Breaking Financial Fair Play rules by deferring the £10m signing of useless Jordan Rhodes till the summer? Thats why foreign owners flock to English football. They know the 'authorities' are spineless crooks who turn a blind eye to money laundering dressed up as 'undisclosed' in 90% of transfers.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Leeds United are not even the biggest club in Leeds.

Anyone that lives here or visits the city can't fail to see the predominance of Rhinos gear wherever they go.

Leeds United's support is bussed in from all over the county, and indeed country, based 1970's glory hunters and their offspring.

Fair play to them for sticking with them through their fallow years but they're all deluded twats and unless the Rhinos go bust they will always be the second team in Leeds.

Given the national and even international nature of their supporters base their potential for growth is not as big as people think.

Nothing winds Scum fans up more than telling them that Leeds is a rugby town.

 

[snootyfenooty]

True, they won't get anywhere whilst they're continually sacking managers and don't have a long term plan.

It worked for us..................eventually.

 

[Maidenhead]

Nothing winds Scum fans up more than telling them that Leeds is a rugby town.

Especially the local ones, because they know it's true

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Is how we were described in The Telegraph's report of the Kell Brook fight last night.

"Brook was unable to bring to life the prophecy of his uncle Johnny 24 years ago that he would one day bring Sheffield to a standstill with a world title win at this traditional football ground - once one of the great northern powerhouses of football".

So my question is then...will we ever be a "Northern Powerhouse of Football" again? or have those at the top of the food-chain just got too big and too rich for us to ever have the chance to be spoken of in those terms again?

Someone on here must know, is there a 'league table' of trophies won [League and FA Cup, plus owt European but I'm sure these years were pre European as well as League Cup?] covering 1889 - 1932?

Where do we fall in that table?

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Is how we were described in The Telegraph's report of the Kell Brook fight last night.

"Brook was unable to bring to life the prophecy of his uncle Johnny 24 years ago that he would one day bring Sheffield to a standstill with a world title win at this traditional football ground - once one of the great northern powerhouses of football".

So my question is then...will we ever be a "Northern Powerhouse of Football" again? or have those at the top of the food-chain just got too big and too rich for us to ever have the chance to be spoken of in those terms again?

Something Gideon Osbourne dreamt about one nite.

 

[SwissBlade]

It worked for us..................eventually.

by luck rather than good judgement really

 

[IMABLADE]

That's a nice compliment to be honest

 

[Working Class Hero]

Someone on here must know, is there a 'league table' of trophies won [League and FA Cup, plus owt European but I'm sure these years were pre European as well as League Cup?] covering 1889 - 1932?

Where do we fall in that table?

20th according to this. It's wrong though because we've won a Community Shield which would put us 17th. Having said that, Community Shields shouldn't count as a major honour anyway, so take them out and we're still 17th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...nglish_clubs_who_have_won_competitive_honours